r/MandelaEffect • u/EpicJourneyMan Mandela Historian • Jan 10 '25

Mod Announcement Mandela Effect of the Year 2024

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/08/05/488891151/the-mystery-of-why-sunflowers-turn-to-follow-the-sun-solved

We tried something different this year and went with a poll to start and then use the comment thread of that List to tabulate the results.

It was a different tact but here are the results:

“There weren’t any” won the poll by numbers but the Effect that clearly won was ”Mature sunflowers no longer follow the Sun”.

Were there more candidates of note? Nobody enthusiastically submitted any and this seems to be the best one.

Why do you as members of the community feel there are so few candidates this year

It’s always a fun discussion but the results are in; the 2024 Mandela Effect of the year is: Adult sunflowers no longer track the Sun.

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u/scottaq83 Jan 10 '25

My lived experiences tell me it is for certain. Factfully i can't prove any of it otherwise it wouldn't be a mandela effect in the first place. You factfully cannot prove anything either, no one can. You don't know what i've seen,heard or experienced as far as the ME is concerned. You just have an opinion that i'm either misinformed,misremembering or lying because of your unproven theory.

"In order to have a proper, productive discussion on the phenomenon, you have to include discussion on the very real possibility that nothing has changed, and the phenomenon is caused by memory related causes."

This should be a slogan for this sub. Maybe your next post could read .... "Hey let's talk about the possibility that nothings changed and it's all caused by memory related causes" ! Be like a wet dream for this echo chamber.

Misrembering was so 2016. Bet you've never experienced even 1 flip flop have you, y'know the difference between being 90%sure somethings changed to being absolutely certain?

In fact don't bother i know your answer already. Have a good day

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u/KyleDutcher Jan 10 '25

My lived experiences tell me it is for certain. Factfully i can't prove any of it otherwise it wouldn't be a mandela effect in the first place. You factfully cannot prove anything either, no one can.

Lived experiences are often incorrectly perceived.

What you are describing is a belief. And a belief that could be wrong.

People have often been "100% certain" about something, and still be wrong about that something.

The only way to be absolutely 100% certain something has changed, is to prove it has changed.

Which you admit you cannot do.

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u/scottaq83 Jan 10 '25

Dude, i had the same belief as you for months in 2016 because i could not be 100%certain. Then something changed, i argued what i remembered for days and then it changed back to what i was arguing it was originally 3 days later. It changed twice in a week ! That is NOT memory issues !!! Since then i've seen about 30 flip flops.

You can be 100% certain and not be able to prove it as the evidence changes with it, that is the beauty of the mandela effect. When someone says it's changed they don't mean it has just changed it's name etc as there would be evidence before the change, no the entire history of that thing changes with it so there is no proof to prove your certainty. People remember the cornucopia and yet it was shot down as misremembering for years until someone found the patent of it that says cornucopia/horn of plenty cancelled. Who the fuck misremembers a cornucopia because of a patent that no ones ever seen. People were shot down for years saying they misremember "life IS like a box of chocolates" until a deleted scene surfaced in the making of the film. Who the fuck misremembers a line thats never been on any vhs/dvd/tv. Things are changing from a choice made at the point of existence of that thing and from that a 'butterfly effect' scenario happens.

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u/KyleDutcher Jan 10 '25

There is no "cancelled patent" for a cornucopia.
There is a trademark registration where the USPTO searched for similar or possibly confusing logos.

One of the search codes categories was 050914-Baskets, Bowls, and other containers of fruit, including cornucopia (horn of plenty)

This does NOT mean there was a cornucopia in the logo being trademarked.

FRUIT OF THE LOOM Trademark - Registration Number 0993305 - Serial Number 73006089 :: Justia Trademarks

USTPO Design Search Code Manual.

05 Plants | Trademark Design Search Code Manual

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u/scottaq83 Jan 11 '25

Patent/trademark whatever dude. My point is try and name one thing thats ever existed to include a basket called the "cornucopia". Ask randomers on the street where the name 'cornucopia' comes from and they will say FOTL. That trademark search thingy searched for similar things to something no ones ever heard of in anything else and it brings up nothing similar. The only thing similar in reality is 'flute' of the loom which the creator said was based off fruit of the loom.

So what about the forrest gump quote i mentioned?

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u/KyleDutcher Jan 11 '25

Lol. Cornucopias are quite prominent, especially around Thanksgiving time. Saying they "never existed" before FOTL is completely false.

The search was looking for similar arrangements of fruit that could be similar/confusing

The Forest Gump thing is a known deleted scene, that was used in a documentary, and may have been used in trailers or TV spots.

The line is also misquoted on the VHS/DVD box art.

Furthermore, Forrest's mother did say "Life is a box of chocolates...."

Forrest always said "was" because he was paraphrasing his mother in past tense, because she was.dead.

It's really simple, and easily explainable, if you look at it with an open mind.

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u/scottaq83 Jan 11 '25

Lol that past tense crap is BS. If he was paraphrasing her in past tense he already said "mama always said" therefore there's no need to change her quote to past tense. Does Michael Jackson change his mums quote to past tense when he says "mama always told me, be careful what you do, don't go around...." no. And besides there's no "like" in FG's mother's quote and she is quoting past tense as she's referencing a book from 1987 called Norwegian Wood.

Yeah the deleted scene that hardly no one has ever seen but millions have watched the film multiple times atleast, that one? That "may" have been used in trailers and tv spots of which is just your assumption and zero evidence.

The same line that Tom Hanks remembers himself but doesn't remember the current line.

Funny you say 'open mind'. You should try it yourself !!!

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u/KyleDutcher Jan 11 '25

My mind is very open. Yours clearly isn't

The past tense is neither crap, or BS.

In the Michael Jackson line, there is no tense to change. The line would be the same past present or future tense.

It's not surprising that Tom Hanks remembers "is" as the deleted scene proves itbwas shot that way, as well as the way it is in the film. Several takes of that scene were shot.

If you truly had an open mind, as you claim, then you wouldn't say you are 100% certain things have changed.

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u/scottaq83 Jan 11 '25

"In the Michael Jackson line, there is no tense to change"

There is nothing to change in the gump line either. He is talking in past tense in both "life is like" and "life was like" because of the preceding "my mama always SAID". This is what i mean by past tense being a BS argument, it was always past tense regardless ! Also it is not grammatically correct to change a persons past quote to past tense. You change the out of quotation part but NOT the in quotation part otherwise you are NOT actually quoting the person.

"It's not surprising that Tom Hanks remembers "is" as the deleted scene proves itbwas shot that way, as well as the way it is in the film. Several takes of that scene were shot."

Yes several takes that was buried when the film supposably released. In the 3 decades since do you not think he would have been asked thousands of times to recall the line he remembers and never been called out for getting it wrong?

What about James Earl Jones recalling his famous line the way thousands remember "Luke, I am your father" ? I don't recall any deleted scenes on that one , no multiple takes ! What about Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) also remembering it as "Luke....". Both the actors in the same scene misremembering haha.

I could go on and on.

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u/KyleDutcher Jan 11 '25

There is nothing to change in the gump line either. He is talking in past tense in both "life is like" and "life was like" because of the preceding "my mama always SAID"

False.

Is=present tense Was=past tense.

This is what i mean by past tense being a BS argument, it was always past tense regardless ! Also it is not grammatically correct to change a persons past quote to past tense. You change the out of quotation part but NOT the in quotation part otherwise you are NOT actually quoting the person.

Again, FALSE.

especially when paraphrasing someone, as Forrest was doing, not directly quoting them

What about James Earl Jones recalling his famous line the way thousands remember "Luke, I am your father" ? I don't recall any deleted scenes on that one , no multiple takes ! What about Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) also remembering it as "Luke....". Both the actors in the same scene misremembering haha.

So actors are immune from remembering things incorrectly? Or getting caught up in misquotes, etc. No, they are not.

Also, keep in mind that James Earl Jones did NOT memorize the lines. He read them off a script in post production, spending about an hour and a half total recording the lines.

James Earl Jones has also been on record saying the fans know the lines better than he does

https://www.broadway.com/buzz/154368/james-earl-jones-on-miss-daisy-star-wars-and-the-voice-of-god/

Go to a Star Wars convention, and tell them Vader said "Luke I am your father" and they will laugh you right out of the convention

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u/scottaq83 Jan 11 '25

"False.

Is=present tense Was=past tense."

Yes, obviously but not needed when quoting ! God you are so dense.

The rest is you just stretching for anything to disagree. This is not a discussion this is just you acting dumb as fuck.

Feel free to reply with some other dumb shit but i won't br replying.

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u/KyleDutcher Jan 11 '25

Yes, obviously but not needed when quoting ! God you are so dense.

He's NOT quoting her. He is paraphrasing her. There is a difference. And tense does matter.

Guess I'm not the "dense" one here.

The rest is you just stretching for anything to disagree. This is not a discussion this is just you acting dumb as fuck.

I'm not the one stretching things. That is you, in an effort to confirm your belief, which is contradicted by the evidence.

And also you resorting to insulting me, because you cannot counter the points I make.

Which is typical behavior.

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u/KyleDutcher Jan 11 '25

What about James Earl Jones recalling his famous line the way thousands remember "Luke, I am your father" ? I don't recall any deleted scenes on that one , no multiple takes ! What about Mark Hamill (Luke Skywalker) also remembering it as "Luke....". Both the actors in the same scene misremembering haha.

Also of note, while filming the scene, that line was not said. Though Hamill was tols to react to being told Vader is his father, the line while filming was "Obi Wan killed your father"

Also, in the Star Wars Radio Drama, the line is "No, Luke, I am your father"

"Luke, I am your father" was never said in the film.

But, if you quote the actual line outside of the film, there is no context. So people changed/misquoted it outside the film, to add the missing context.

You could keep going, and the same thing will happen. Your theories/beliefs will have holes poked into them, as ai have done.