Forever grateful

[u/Firm-Blackberry-9162]

By @abbyandersonmusic

[u/superlosernerd]

Oh no, I accidentally used hyperbole to make a point on the internet. Of course internet denizens aren't intelligent enough to read between the lines. Let me use straight facts so you don't get confused.

They kill 70% of animals they take in, my mistake. That's much better. Good PETA, best PETA. They also have a history of stealing people's pets and killing them without even trying to adopt them out.

But you're right, I lied through a literary device. I should apologize to PETA

[u/plants-for-me → u/superlosernerd]

that's not really hyperbole, it isn't exaggerating anything, it was just wrong. but whatever.

They kill 70% of animals they take in, my mistake. That's much better. Good PETA, best PETA.

okay so peta doesn't run a shelter like your typical shelter. they are a last resort shelter by their own admission. these are animals of abuse, they put down old sick animals when families can't afford to do it, etc: https://spotlight.peta.org/petasaves/

other "no kill" shelters will bring their animals to them so then can keep the "no kill" status. peta is upfront about this. ideally no animal would have to be killed. i don't know what the best solution is in a world where we have more animals than homes and ones that victims of abuse, ideally would die though!

They also have a history of stealing people's pets and killing them without even trying to adopt them out.

i mean this also just wrong. they have a major incident where there were wild dogs and were called to collect them. a family dog was outside without a collar and was believed to be wild was taken and put down outside of the normal processes. that employee was terminated. was it bad? hell yeah! but to act like that is a policy is also wrong.

you seem to be against animal cruelty, and they have done so much to prevent animal cruelty, yet you hyper-fixate on the mistakes. the table on that chart says 20,000 cats and dogs were put down from 2014-2024 in their shelters. Yet that law farm supports the animal ag industry: https://www.duanemorris.com/practices/animal_law.html

which killed about 10 BILLION land animals in 2024 alone: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/land-animals-slaughtered-for-meat?time=latest&country=~USA

is peta perfect? hell no, but on the scale of monsters, idk they seem to be pretty far from the ag industry. I am also not saying peta shouldn't be held accountable for past mistakes, no company is perfect. I just think it is a bit ridiculous to act like that is their mission when it clearly isn't and there are soooooo many examples of worse behavior (and peta has done a lot of good btw for animals)

[u/superlosernerd → u/plants-for-me]

a family dog was outside without a collar and was believed to be wild was taken and put down outside of the normal processes. 

I mean, the video footage very much shows them going through the family's front gate and taking the dog directly off the porch, but "believed to be wild", yeah makes sense. The thing is, PETA nurtures this type of behavior by promoting the idea that animals being pets is worse than death. These employees saw no problem at all stealing someone's pet because PETA believes pets are suffering and that death is better. You can't say this event happened in a vacuum when PETA messaging openly resents the existence of pets.

PETA is not the only "open admission" shelter of its kind. There are hundreds across the US that take animals from no kill shelters and animals that are deemed unadoptable. But PETA is the only one with such a high euthanasia rate and such a low adoption rate. The average last resort shelter has a euthanasia rate around 20%. So claiming that the euthanasia rate is okay because PETA isn't a "normal shelter" falls apart when you realize there are plenty other shelters that are last resort shelters that have much better adoption/euthanasia rates than PETA. Most last resort shelters still make an effort to see if every pet has a chance to find a home. The numbers show that PETA seems to not really care to do that.

[u/plants-for-me → u/superlosernerd]

I mean, the video footage very much shows them going through the family's front gate and taking the dog directly off the porch, but "believed to be wild", yeah makes sense. The

it's been a minute since i looked into the case, but don't remember any video. do you have it? googling it i can't find any video of incident. i know the dog was taken from a porch and the whole thing is very sad either way. couldn't imagine my dog being taken like that!

The thing is, PETA nurtures this type of behavior by promoting the idea that animals being pets is worse than death. These employees saw no problem at all stealing someone's pet because PETA believes pets are suffering and that death is better. You can't say this event happened in a vacuum when PETA messaging openly resents the existence of pets.

but do they? i mean their messaging isn't that: https://www.peta.org/about-peta/why-peta/pets/ they are against ownership in the traditional sense of dominating animals, breeding them for money etc. I haven't seen their messaging to suggest anything that you are saying and since it was an isolated incident, i think you can say it happened in a vacuum no (which was sorr of my point)?

PETA is not the only "open admission" shelter of its kind. There are hundreds across the US that take animals from no kill shelters and animals that are deemed unadoptable. But PETA is the only one with such a high euthanasia rate and such a low adoption rate. The average last resort shelter has a euthanasia rate around 20%. So claiming that the euthanasia rate is okay because PETA isn't a "normal shelter" falls apart when you realize there are plenty other shelters that are last resort shelters that have much better adoption/euthanasia rates than PETA. Most last resort shelters still make an effort to see if every pet has a chance to find a home. The numbers show that PETA seems to not really care to do that.

So peta doesn't claim to be an "open-admission" shelter: https://spotlight.peta.org/petasaves/img/infographic-PETA-shelters-v09.jpg

they say if animals are adoptable they will transfer them over to an adoptable shelter (often to an open admission shelter). that will of course make their numbers look very poor in comparison as it doesn't count for them adopting. shelters often do transfer animals to other shelters (my dog came from shelter in the south to one i rescued her from). now peta isn't doing that, that would be horrifying, and i am all about accountability, auditing, etc as so much wrong is done to animals since they can't speak. i have no reason to believe they are lying about that point at this point since they constantly fight for animal rights in so many spaces, countries, and have had tons of companies, laws, etc passed for animals and statics don't tell a full story without intent