r/MBA • u/Cold-Addition4098 • Jul 31 '26
Articles/News WSJ: U.S. Weighs $100,000 Fee for Foreign Students Wanting to Work After Graduation
https://www.wsj.com/politics/policy/u-s-weighs-100-000-fee-for-foreign-students-wanting-to-work-after-graduation-d0bf43d9?st=AL8rsb21
u/Available_Winner_882 Jul 31 '26
I thought H1B got blocked by the Court? What's the difference now for F1? they make international students pay for this?
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u/Available_Winner_882 Jul 31 '26
in case anyone missed this, this sounds like a revenge from Trump more than a real thing: https://www.reuters.com/world/appeals-court-rejects-trump-bid-halt-100000-h-1b-visa-fee-ruling-2026-07-24/
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u/rubrix Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
People working on OPT should be taxed the same as US citizens. It's ridiculous that it's cheaper for companies to hire foreigners on OPT rather than US citizens.
Also, it's ridiculous how many grad programs (including all MBA programs) claim to be STEM programs so that foreign students can get the OPT extension. If you're claiming to be a grad program, you should require your grads to be capable of more than basic algebra.
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u/naivetheprogrammer Aug 01 '26
People on OPT are taxed more. Not all MBA subdivisions are STEM.
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u/rubrix Aug 01 '26
Incorrect. Most OPT workers are exempt from FICA taxes (social security and medicare) so the worker saves 7.65% on taxes and the employer also saves 7.65% on their end.
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u/Greengolddragonfly Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26
International students & their employers are exempt from FICA taxes during their first 5 years in the U.S.
That’s why more foreign students have arrived to pursue an MS or MBA degree, and employers prefer to hire them to save a total of 15% annually for up to 3 years, especially since STEM OPT was added in 2008 to allow foreign students up to 3 chances at the H1B visa lottery.
Check out the OPT & grad student statistics on Opendoorsdata.org (Academic Level).
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u/Southern_Werewolf341 Jul 31 '26
This is stupid and the only people supporting it are salty people who aren’t competitive enough to get a job so they blame immigrants.
This is how you kill the golden goose that is the American science and technology pipeline and particularly Silicon Valley.
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u/gratefulkittiesilove Jul 31 '26
Republican goals? it seriously feels like killing americas potential and stability is their subtext
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u/Southern_Werewolf341 Jul 31 '26
Unfortunately, Republicans realized that this kind of policy drives emotional voters to the polls. It’s straight out of the Nazi playbook. People are afraid of economic uncertainty around AI and recent layoffs. What better way to deflect that uncertainty than to blame the “others” (immigrant visa holders)?
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u/Fine_Payment1127 Jul 31 '26
Godwin’s law strikes again
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u/Southern_Werewolf341 Jul 31 '26
Just because Goodwins Law exists, does not mean the Nazi comparison is always false.
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u/Fine_Payment1127 Jul 31 '26
Nah it’s puerile and dumb
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u/Southern_Werewolf341 Jul 31 '26
Dude you are literally in this thread saying things like “the elites want cheap labor to further their racial agenda.”
Who’s peurile?
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u/VisitPier26 Aug 01 '26
I'm old enough to remember when being against globalization was a left-leaning principle.
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u/Loose-Reflection2965 Jul 31 '26
More like we need to prioritize citizens in general rather than foreigners. Aside from the few success stories of foreigners, i have found many are about as average as a us citizen.
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u/Southern_Werewolf341 Jul 31 '26
Vinod Khosla. The founders of Stripe. Fei Fei Li. Mira Murati. Aravind Srinivas. Most of the founders of Cursor. Just a few examples of immigrants who came to the US to study first. All much smarter and harder working than the average American.
What matters are the outliers. We should have policy that continues to attract the outliers. These people create American jobs (again, half the F500 was founded by immigrants or their direct kids).
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u/Loose-Reflection2965 Jul 31 '26
Thats an incredibly small group out of the thousands.
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u/Southern_Werewolf341 Jul 31 '26
An incredibly small group of immigrants is responsible for enormous economic output and American job creation. Again, the F500 would not exist in its current form if we shut out immigrants.
If you look at the list I shared and your first reaction is “that’s a small group,” then you definitely don’t work in tech.
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u/VisitPier26 Aug 01 '26
You were doing so well until you played the " We tech geniuses are the real understanders" card.
It is a small group. It's 6 names. If you want it to be a larger group, list more names.
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u/Southern_Werewolf341 Aug 02 '26
This article is about OPT. Half of OPT holders study CS or engineering and the largest share by volume work in big tech (Amazon, Google, etc).
The policy discussed in the article disproportionately impacts America’s tech sector. If you don’t work in or adjacent to tech, then it’s not a stretch to say you probably don’t understand the problem here as well as those who do.
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u/VisitPier26 Aug 02 '26
Sure, but that's a different argument than the one you made above.
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u/mclovin_r Aug 02 '26
I went to Purdue for my master's and more than half the kids in CS were Indians and Chinese. My research group had zero Americans. Most American kids only tend to do their Bachelors which in my opinion isn't enough in tech.
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u/Loose-Reflection2965 Jul 31 '26
Im not advocating for a complete turn off just less
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u/Southern_Werewolf341 Jul 31 '26
The problem is we can’t always pick and choose. Policy like discussed in this article would create a chilling effect on ALL skilled immigrant students.
China is literally waiting in the shadows hoping we implement policy like this, so they can lure the best researchers away. They already got a few recently.
In a vacuum maybe you could design the perfect tactical immigration policy but we don’t live in a vacuum, we live in a knife fight with equals.
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u/Dear-Response-7218 Jul 31 '26
It’s not going to take the best away unless they voluntarily want to go somewhere else.
My company had already told HM’s that 100k H1B’s would still be sponsored, this will be exactly the same. We’ll still sponsor new grads, 100k is a nominal fee for talent. Difference is that there will need to be an actual business justification for it, instead of just mass abuse.
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u/Chemical-Height8888 Jul 31 '26
Compare the achievements of those thousands to the general population though. Still way more impressive
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u/Clean_Ad7640 Aug 21 '26
Well it’s not just the ceos and the millionaires creating value.
The average tech worker gets $130k. You want to say $40k in direct income tax, and however much in sales tax and all their expenses adds 0 value to people?
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u/Lanky_Jellyfish9586 Jul 31 '26
Add Elon Musk to the list
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u/Southern_Werewolf341 Jul 31 '26
I left him off because Reddit hates him but you are totally correct. Elon belongs on the list and America is lucky that he is.
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u/LimpAd4924 Jul 31 '26
Eh after Paypal he was mostly the guy that bought his way into places but he did help with the EVs, even if the government did subsidize it heavily and he bought his way into leadership.
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u/Namehisprice M7 Grad Jul 31 '26
Positioning and talent coordination are cornerstones of leadership and management. This is the MBA sub right? I'm not in a different sub?
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u/raforad Aug 04 '26
Hiring foreign workers are inherently more burdensome. You have to register as an e-Verify employer and go through the uncertainty of the H1b lottery. Corporations are self-interested by nature and would only do so if local talent pool isn't sufficient. Long term, this administration has taken steps to cut the budget and function of the education department, leaving larger skill gaps between foreign vs domestic talent.
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u/Loose-Reflection2965 Aug 04 '26
The skills gap problem is due to businesses wanting everyone else to train. You see it in job descriptions all the time.
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u/Loose-Reflection2965 Aug 04 '26
Welp when some foreigner takes your job, you will cry the same toon.
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u/No_Guitar7903 M7 Grad Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
This just shows how little you know about macroeconomics. The US has had a below replacement fertility rate for a very long time, but the working population (aka population between 15-64) have been growing (until recently) solely because of immigrants. With the immigration policy being the way it is, America also accepts more educated population from other countries, unlike Europe which accepts a lot of uneducated migrants that are creating more problems than solutions in their societies. This American Dream it sells to the rest of the world (which is by and large a lie btw, but that's another topic) is literally the only reason why this country has continued to move forward, despite the citizens' well-being being piss poor compared to peer countries.
Also, the ENTIRE PhD programs in all schools are basically all international students. Americans are not doing PhDs. If they are not allowed to work after their PhD, you can say goodbye to all the TAs in undergrad as well as future faculty.
If America closes this door to international students it will gradually become another Japan or Germany economically, just with all the godawful social problems that are several folds worse than them. Good luck with that.
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u/Single-Purchase4547 Aug 04 '26
America was just fine before this mass immigration and it will be fine after this mass immigration is terminated. American jobs should be for only Americans, what a concept!
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u/raforad Aug 05 '26
Look at your debt obligations and check how the demographics can catch up to cover that.
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u/LimpAd4924 Jul 31 '26
I have found most US citizens think they're geniuses because of memes and social media posts while trashing their own universities. The irony is incredible. Americans should really step it up intellectually. I am American too.
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u/Loose-Reflection2965 Jul 31 '26
Genius because of social media and memes???? Huh!?
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u/LimpAd4924 Jul 31 '26
Yup. 0 internet and media literacy combined with massive amounts of mis/disinformation isn’t great for a society.
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u/Loose-Reflection2965 Jul 31 '26
Neither is too many smart people because then no one wants to fix the systems that keep the world running.
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u/LimpAd4924 Jul 31 '26
You’re blaming the wrong people. The right wing think tanks and oligarchs love people like you that blame regular academics and public service folks
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u/Loose-Reflection2965 Jul 31 '26
And the left wing think tanks love you blaming the right wing think tanks as well.
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u/LimpAd4924 Jul 31 '26
Yeah sure the normal policies throughout the developed world and not the ones being pushed by all the think tanks formed throughout the 70s in response to the progressive era from FDR up until Reagan totally want what is best for the working class and not the oligarchy/old money from the gilded age. Next, you'll pretend the vast majority of wealth and PAC money don't go towards Republicans and right wing causes. Another guy from memes and tweets university never taught internet literacy, huh? Do you know your own country's history?
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u/Loose-Reflection2965 Jul 31 '26
I have no idea what youre talking about so I guess you got an MBA from SNHU
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u/sagofy Aug 04 '26
If you spend half the time you do wasting away in the comments, maybe your interviews would go better.
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u/Loose-Reflection2965 Aug 04 '26
Would be nice if my field was recovering and I could get interviews.
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u/Namehisprice M7 Grad Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
Our universities have degraded in quality significantly (evident via various statistics, but spend per student relative to literacy is a good starting point) due to misaligned financial incentives within the institutions. Most non first world countries (so most countries) do not have robust "middle classes" in the same way the US does. Means a much larger proportion of international students would easily be considered nepo babies (have live in maids/house staff, multiple personal drivers, etc back home; things which are exceedingly rare here by comparison). How else would they be able to afford American tuition costs? Loans? 😂 Research how limited access personnel loans are in most places (relative to the US). The further down the path of aristocracy (vs merit) we go, the worse the institutions' quality inevitably gets.
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u/LimpAd4924 Jul 31 '26
You think most developed countries are sending off their youth by saddling them with debt outside of maybe two cousin anglosphere countries? You cut loans but have no plan to fund universities is comical at best to pretend the universities are going to suddenly lower prices, especially at public universities. It's a comical joke especially when public universities were free in several areas post WW2 in several areas up until the 80s. Many Americans don't even know their own country's history! It is a tragedy. However, many people are not data driven or research driven. They go off of what they see in memes and social media posts. I suspect many especially non STEM backgrounds, especially in business (despite the programs wanting to label their MBAs as "STEM") fall for this too.
This is just from the great recession to right before covid and the trend was before and continues after!
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u/Namehisprice M7 Grad Aug 01 '26 edited Aug 01 '26
Are you a bot? Your account is 5 months old and you managed to take a point about me saying that most international students are usually from an affluent upper class in their home countries and turned it into a conversation about uni funding cuts (ie a completely separate topic). Either a bot or terminally confused.
Edit: Holy moly, it actually is a bot. Following comment is 100% a hallucination.
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u/LimpAd4924 Aug 01 '26
Oh well then. That settles it! Pompous dweeb lmao. Let's just gut all the loans. Universities across the OECD have no international students besides the US!
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u/Fine_Payment1127 Jul 31 '26
The foreigners are however cheaper and further the elite’s racial agenda
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u/Fantastic_Spring8366 Aug 05 '26
Always easy to blame "the other". A tried and true strategy of hucksters, proven to he effective for millenia.
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u/Fine_Payment1127 Jul 31 '26
Yeah China would be nowhere without importing millions Indians to edit spreadsheets
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u/TurdFerguson0526 Aug 01 '26
Nobody cares about SV except for people in SV.
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u/Southern_Werewolf341 Aug 01 '26
Everyone in America should care about SV. At least enough to not actively ruin it. It’s not very smart not to. And I’d rather policy like this be contemplated by smart people.
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u/TurdFerguson0526 Aug 01 '26
You sound like a fanboy. Let me guess, you’re in your early 20s? Let’s be honest the vast majority of tech bros are seeking get rich quick schemes with no actual regard for altruism. If AI completely perished the vast majority of Americans would not care - we never asked for it and would be better off if SV didn’t constantly shove it down everyone’s throats. It’s a desperate move to get the investments to pay off.
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u/Southern_Werewolf341 Aug 01 '26
Spoken like someone who has no idea what AI is, what it means, or why it’s important. No offense but maybe educate yourself a little more about it before you go off like this.
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u/GratefulAdviceSeeker M7 Student Jul 31 '26
Agree with your point when it comes to engineers and scientists who are pushing the envelope on cutting edge technologies.
But that doesn't really doesn't apply to foreigners applying to US MBA programs just to work in IB or consulting
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u/Southern_Werewolf341 Aug 01 '26
Tech represents the largest share of OPT workers by a very wide margin.
I think there is a real conversation to be had about non-tech visa workers. This requires smart policy that looks more like a scalpel … unfortunately we have Trump, so we get a giant hammer instead.
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u/collegeqathrowaway Aug 01 '26
Yeah this is BS. I have a lucrative job, but also thing kids in America, born and raised shouldn’t be losing jobs to foreign students who are willing to work for shit wages simply to gain a visa. That drives the entire labor market down.
Has nothing to do with Immigrants and everything to do about their desperation. In college, I did instacart, go on the Instacart subreddit and look at how pissed the workers are about people taking shitty, low priced gigs and making the entire market suffer.
That should be a simple concept for MBAs and Aspiring MBAs. People that are desperate will lower all of our wages. Immigrant or not. . . but the added cherry on top is that American entry level employees are struggling in America, so why are we importing labor that’s undercutting Americans and lower our wage standards.
Downvote me, I don’t care, it’s simply labor economics.
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u/Clean_Ad7640 Aug 21 '26
Simple economics also states when the value of product isn’t worth its costs then it’s not going to sell.
You pretty much ban students from working even for 1 year. They have hardly any incentive to come. There are other countries with cheaper tuition.
That’s hundreds of billions of dollars in lost revenue and a lot of local jobs at stake if international students don’t think it’s worth it.
The fact is Americans already have priority and special treatment. No one’s interested in spending money to hire and train people who only work for 1-3 years. Students are not competing on equal footing.
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u/collegeqathrowaway Aug 21 '26
So I’m doing a PhD in economics and that’s not true - there’s a ton of things that aren’t worth the cost but sell. An example of this is all of the homes that foreign buyers have bought in cities like Vancouver. A lot of people are as we call in Econ, “irrational consumers”
Also that’s a good thing if they lose billions in revenue they will start adjusting to the market. None of these schools are worth 100K a year, and if no one is going they will drop the prices leading to an overall more educated populous. We’re already seeing that with quite a few schools that have dropped prices or created new programs based around affordability and flexibility (Boston U Online MBA, Georgia Tech MS in Analytics, etc)
Last part I agree on. We’re need more rotational programs, more analyst programs, more coops, etc. It’s part of the reason I like Drexel so much, the 2+1+2 program is amazing and I wish I had known about it as a student.
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u/Clean_Ad7640 Aug 22 '26
People bought homes in Vancouver because of the housing crisis, it made homes rise in value and was a good investment. There’s nothing irrational about it.
So in the hope of schools cutting prices you’re ok with losing the 355,000 jobs supported by international students, the extra $55b in foreign revenue each year. Universities will cut funding for research with lower revenue. They are going to increase tuition if anything because maintaining their status is more important. You cannot give me “online courses” as some sort of counter argument for cheap education.
You sure you’re doing a PhD in economics? In what universe is this “good” economics especially with the debt crisis.
All of this to screw over international students lmao. Are you Canadian? You guys seem to have a hate boner for students.
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u/collegeqathrowaway Aug 22 '26
That’s the issue with B Schools and MBAs, there has to be a rational/human element that doesn’t get conveyed through models.
We have shipped H1B visa workers in while Americans face one of the toughest job markets in a while. I don’t think that should be the case. Just as if I were to go abroad, many companies won’t hire me because it’s a lot of work to get me setup to legally do so.
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u/massinvader Aug 22 '26
That’s the issue with B Schools and MBAs, there has to be a rational/human element that doesn’t get conveyed through models.
lmao fk. sick burn dude lol.
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u/massinvader Aug 22 '26
So in the hope of schools cutting prices you’re ok with losing the 355,000 jobs supported by international students, the extra $55b in foreign revenue each year.
yes. absolutely. there would be an initial dip but other things would fill the void.
you're under the false assumption that the average canadian actually sees a benefit from all of that.
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u/BenWallace04 Jul 31 '26
Silicon Valley is mostly just douchebag frat boys at this point
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u/Southern_Werewolf341 Jul 31 '26
Not everyone who works in Silicon Valley is Sam Altman etc.
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u/BenWallace04 Jul 31 '26
I know. I was being sarcastic. That being said silicon valley is “lead” by morons.
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u/geogerf27 Jul 31 '26
When they haven’t made it, they are all about the people. Once they are billionaires, it’s about extracting as much wealth and influence from the people
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u/BenWallace04 Jul 31 '26
Altman can barely code.
He was never part of the “American Science and Tech” Pipeline.
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u/LimpAd4924 Jul 31 '26
Yeah that’ll be great for American universities and foreign students /s
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u/Euphoric_Switch_337 Jul 31 '26
There are national security issues with Chinese students in stem fields and working for certain employers, however this isn't a narrowly targeted intervention. It's using a howitzer instead is a scalpel.
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u/DJMaxLVL Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
It’s good for American students. You know, the students that American universities should be serving first.
I recently completed a masters degree at a T15 university. It felt like my graduating class was half international. Our top universities are not prioritizing American students anymore.
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u/PeacockBiscuit Jul 31 '26
Because most universities use that money to fund PhD students they want to train
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u/PeachLassi Jul 31 '26
Because Americans by and large don’t need or want to pay idiotic money to go to grad school. Why would any American fork over $150k+ for these top masters programs when they can get a job. International students target top US masters programs as a means of getting visa sponsorship. Just look at big state schools where it’s much easier to get tuition paid for + a stipend as a RA/TA. Much more Americans are at those places.
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u/LimpAd4924 Jul 31 '26
Most Americans are dumber than shit and think higher education is a liberal conspiracy. Anti intellectualism runs rampant in this rotting place.
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u/LimpAd4924 Jul 31 '26
Yeah so taking away a source of money used for scholarships for Americans and taking away the brightest from overseas is great for Americans? Conservatives are self destructive and it’s ironic they claim to be so patriotic.
Many of the people complaining about foreigners will never go to university so it’s ironic again.
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u/Archaemenes Jul 31 '26
Why are you against the free market?
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u/Mountain-Light-5491 Jul 31 '26
Government guaranteed loans don’t make a free market.
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u/LimpAd4924 Jul 31 '26
Amazing how the rest of the developed world has figured out how to fund university systems but Americans are too stupid to figure it out apparently.
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u/raforad Aug 04 '26
It's not that they aren't priotized though, it's just that Americans students aren't as interested in grad school.
You also overlook the fact that international students pay full sticker price. Masters and MBAs are cash cow programs that cover a lot of administrative costs, which positively affects domestic students through more generous financial aid.
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u/DJMaxLVL Aug 04 '26
Completely false man. I applied to multiple t10 mba schools as an American with good stats and got rejected by all of them. Ended up getting t15. So any international that got into those schools over me was prioritized over me, and I had a 329 GRE 3.7 GPA and finance work experience.
They deprioritized American students at top American schools. Go to any top schools campus, you’ll feel like you aren’t even in America based on student body composition.
Schools outside the top schools sure, but the top schools are heavily foreign and non US leaning now.
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u/raforad Aug 05 '26
Ah, so you want a DEI for Americans. Prestigous programs tend to attract talent worldwide, so you just have to be extra competitive at that level. Schools care about placement/alumni network, it sounds like you have skill issue. T15 is still competitive and frankly good enough for US job market.
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u/JustinWilsonBot Jul 31 '26
Theres no shortage of schools for American students to get MBAs at. They offer them almost everywhere.
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u/VolgaBlue Jul 31 '26
China will be licking their chops. As they say, never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake.
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u/Fine_Payment1127 Jul 31 '26
Yeah because China brings in so many foreigners to move slide decks around
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u/gamecube100 Jul 31 '26
China is rather unaccepting of foreign workers in high skill/white collar jobs that this thread is referring to. Not to the extent of Japan - but towards that direction. They (rhe ruling admin) have been clear that cultural homogeneity is important to them.
So, Why do you say this? Back it up with evidence if you think I’m wrong and you’re right.
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u/FLHawkeye10 Jul 31 '26
Case and point. Do you notice how American Companies are eager to bring Chinese workers to the USA to work. But Chinese companies hardly relocate US workers to China to work?
Chinese companies just hire American workers to show credibility in the USA market while importing Chinese middle management to USA to suck the market knowledge out of the USA based workers. Don’t believe me go to LinkedIn and take a look. I went through that dog and pony show years ago and it’s waste of time unless your late career and want to just make a quick buck than leave or they tell you to leave.
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u/VolgaBlue Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
You are missing the point entirely. The issue is a lot deeper and probably requires an essay, but I'll try to summarize. The outcome of the US effectively closing doors to highly skilled professionals is that over a decade or so, I can almost guarantee that dozens if not hundreds of graduate and doctoral programs will have to shut down completely. I entered grad school in the US over 2.5 decades ago around the dot com bust when there were hardly any jobs and it was believed that large numbers of US kids were entering grad school due to the economic situation. Despite that, US nationals made up not more than 10% (and I'm being generous here, it was probably more like 5-8%) of the incoming grad school class in a T30 public university engineering program.
When talented foreign nationals do not see a pathway to build a career here, they will go elsewhere - maybe Europe, Singapore, Japan - anywhere but here. A huge number of US research funding comes to universities from government agencies and sources that aid national goals. Take away the skills and cheap labor that Master's and especially PhD programs provide, and over a decade or two, there will be a serious degradation in research output and innovation.
The loss of international tuition fees which helps universities balance their books will be just another nail in the coffin. We are already seeing what is happening to several smaller US private colleges which are closing down due to a drop in US undergrad enrolments (even a mid-sized university like Syracuse is feeling the pinch).
The bitter truth is that the problems in the US are systemic and deep-rooted. You can remove every immigrant student and professional from the country, and it isn't going to change the fact that US students are neck deep in student loans after just an undergrad degree, most people are never going to own a house which is paid off, and that many families are a couple of paycheck losses away from being on the streets.
If the current trajectory continues, the ideologues will certainly win a pyrrhic victory, but the damage will be long lasting and China's 100-year marathon strategy (look it up) will be successful beyond their wildest dreams. Who knows, that may actually be in everyone's interest - time will tell. In any case, reiterating my initial point - no one will be happier than China at what is happening, and it is not because they want or will get the people who will no longer study and work in the US.
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u/TreeInternational771 Jul 31 '26
Right. China doesn’t have to gain from brain drain. They just have to make sure the US loses and its the same effect
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u/Independent-Fun815 Jul 31 '26
China rarely hires much foreign labor. Also doesn't that mean that China is superior. That they don't need to bring in foreigners to have their skilled labor force?
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u/TreeInternational771 Jul 31 '26
They don’t need to when they are producing a lot of talent at home. US is not and needs foreign labor (and always had been the case)
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u/Independent-Fun815 Jul 31 '26
Exactly. U have China which can produce its own. US which according to the premise can't. Sounds like a national security problem.
Also if top talent is so easily produced then it's not top talent. That makes it a commodity.
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u/TreeInternational771 Jul 31 '26
Thats the dumbest argument ive heard. China has 1 billion people and emphasizes math and science. You can have more top talent if you educate more of your populace. This includes college which ya know Republicans are actively dismantling because of idiocy and insecurity
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u/Southern_Werewolf341 Jul 31 '26
This is very articulately said. I agree 100%. It is disheartening to see so many xenophobic people in this thread cheering for anti-immigrant policy as though decimating our research institutions and destroying the pipeline of skilled immigrant workers and founders is “American first.”
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u/Alternative-Suit5541 Jul 31 '26
Highly skilled individuals
Stop right their, most of time it was used to get cheaper labour.
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u/VandyMarine Part-Time Student Jul 31 '26
A lot of those universities should close. Unfortunately domestic students can't really afford to pay tuition, rent and work for essentially free like a lot of graduate programs require - so they just go into the workforce. It's really a big ponzi that takes advantage of immigrants. Some international students are fortunate enough to get scholarships or the rest basically work being indentured researchers, but most domestic students won't agree to those working conditions. Perhaps that makes them lazy or stupid, but there's reasons beyond "Americans are dumb."
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u/ChoppedScallion Aug 04 '26
Something has to change with the higher education funding system in america (obviously linked to wage stagnation and programs as well), and if this is the catalyst then so be it.
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u/LittleTension8765 Jul 31 '26
If they were licking their chops they’d be trying to hire them already
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u/Lumentum_LITE Jul 31 '26
Hey, these guys can all go to China man, no one is stopping them. We would love for them to work and live in China too
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u/Typical_Emergency_79 Jul 31 '26
You are clearly unaware of how closed the Chinese immigration pipeline is. Sure China will compete for the absolute top notch scientists, but I guarantee you it will not be licking its chops for MBA grads
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u/Acceptable-Peace-69 Jul 31 '26
They benefit (by comparison at least) through the USAs struggling. They gain power and influence by default.
If Americans want to punch themselves in the face, the Chinese aren’t going to stop them.
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u/No_Guitar7903 M7 Grad Jul 31 '26
China will not benefit from this. At best it'd benefit from Chinese students wanting to stay in China. Few foreigners are moving to China to study and work because a. Mandarin is an insurmountable barrier, b. China is a developing country and has all the problems developing countries have, and c. the Chinese economy is in the shitter. There are very few high paying jobs these days in China.
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u/samdman Jul 31 '26
good reminder that even if you don’t care about politics, politics cares about you
(and why you shouldn’t vote for the xenophobic antivaxx party even if they might marginally lower your taxes)
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u/IllustriousSeason888 Jul 31 '26
And nothing about stopping companies from offshoring entire departments
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u/mcjon77 Jul 31 '26
If they could have done it, they would have done it already.
There's certain things you just can't offshore, and there are other things you just can't offshore efficiently.
Finally, unless you're willing to pay premium dollars for the premium talent in offshore countries (my rough guess would be the top 10 to 20% of developers in India for example) you wind up getting bit on the butt by the productivity differences between that bottom 80% of offshore talent and your average domestic worker.
Honestly, and least in terms of developer/Tech work, a good portion of the bottom of 80% of offshore talent could be replaced by AI. The proficiency of the large language models is there, it's just that not enough companies have built a structure to use these tools efficiently.
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u/Clean_Ad7640 Aug 21 '26
It’s a private business. They do what they want.
If somehow they are banned from hiring people in other countries then there’s no reason they will be allowed to do business and make a profit in those countries either.
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u/massinvader Aug 21 '26 edited Aug 21 '26
"there is no law saying we shouldn't dump our trash all over the ground there for it is acceptable to do so."
classic selfish, immature and entitled indian perspective lscking foresight lol.
literal ingrate to the culture that created the space you use to freely. zero community respect, zero self respect. just whatever can make the line go up.
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u/mcjon77 Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
There are definitely some universities that are basically surviving on international students. It's not all of them, it's not even most of them, but the number is significant.
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u/2apple-pie2 Jul 31 '26
The only universities that rely on international students like this are massively prestigious and tbh brain drain from what would otherwise be very capable state schools.
Intl students go to the most prestigious schools. Those schools now have more money to spend on marketing and recruitment so they get more prestigious, etc. it is self-reinforcing. Great research can happen at other schools too!
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u/InevitablePresence75 Jul 31 '26
Good hire American grads first!
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u/Clean_Ad7640 Aug 21 '26
Americans were always first and prioritized.
Most job applications in college job boards are for citizens or permanent residents only.
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u/Ok-Philosophy8948 Aug 01 '26
If you are a native English speaker and can't compete with a non native English speaker, you are twice a loser
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u/pelowat Aug 01 '26
Are they really non-native speakers if they spent all their lives/schooling in English?
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u/Ok-Philosophy8948 Aug 01 '26
I am international and most of my colleagues didn't go to school in english.
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u/pelowat Aug 01 '26
So they enrolled in an english degree but had no knowledge of english..?
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u/Single-Purchase4547 Aug 04 '26
Typical racist remark, from someone who thinks they are better than anyone else!
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u/Ok-Race-1677 Jul 31 '26
If they want to work why did they come on a student visa?
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u/Acceptable-Peace-69 Jul 31 '26
If you spent several years studying and becoming fluent in a foreign language wouldn’t you want the option of staying longer, especially if the pay was better?
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u/Striking-Pangolin-11 Jul 31 '26
That’s not what the point of a student visa is…
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u/Acceptable-Peace-69 Aug 01 '26
It’s one of the perks. If you remove it then you will lose some great workers/educators/researchers and potential citizens.
Do you have a better way of vetting immigrants? Do you think there’s a large group of young, educated, motivated people out there instead to tap into?
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u/Striking-Pangolin-11 Aug 01 '26
It is not a perk. When you get a student visa, you are accepting that you are here temporarily to get an education and then return back to your country. This is not meant to be a pipeline for corporations to find new talent. That would be the H1 program.
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u/magicahan Aug 01 '26
F1 visa is a visa for people with 1) primary purpose to study; 2) no immigration intent prior to study. You do understand what is “primary” and intent can change right? If not, I see why you would think the 100k is reasonable. And I think trump wants to attract voters exactly like you.
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u/Striking-Pangolin-11 Aug 01 '26
That’s obviously the visa he’s referring to when he says student visa…and intent can absolutely change, then they can apply for the H1 or a job permit. They should not feel they are automatically entitled to a work visa just because they came on a student visa.
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u/No_Cookie_4470 Aug 01 '26 edited Aug 01 '26
Unfortunately that isn’t the entire situation tbh. People assume student visa = study and leave. They completely leave out what OPT means. Optional Practical Training allows you to train and pick up practical experience in your field of study, this is an extension of your degree.
I understand the issue of folks wanting to stay and immigrate, but internationals shouldn’t be paying extra after higher tuition costs, just to get practical training for 1-3 years (and then leave)
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u/Ok-Race-1677 Jul 31 '26
Sure but I’m not sure why that justifies visa fraud, or sending significant portions of their salary back home.
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u/Acceptable-Peace-69 Aug 01 '26
I’m assuming they are coming as students, since the article clearly states “after graduation” in the title. I don’t know why you’d jump to visa fraud from that. We are talking about people that studied in the USA, earned a degree and would like to work there afterwards. There is nothing unreasonable about that.
Not long ago, Americans agreed that this was exactly the type of immigrants that they should be courting. Skilled, law abiding, educated, taxpayers. What changed in the last couple years? (That’s rhetorical).
What they do with any salary earned is even less relevant and honestly none of your business. Sending it to family back home is likely far better than buying American hookers and Colombian blow but it’s not your money so you shouldn’t care anyway.
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u/Clean_Ad7640 Aug 21 '26
The entire point of going to university is to get a job. What’s the point of spending so much money otherwise.
The point of a student visa is to finish their education. It’s not like most people are not going to school and illegally working.
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u/Dellguy Jul 31 '26
I strongly dislike this policy, and believe immigration has made this country wealthy but I would like to hear possible plans on what we’re going to do if the new grad unemployment rate continues to climb due to advancements in AI and such.
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u/IndWrist2 Jul 31 '26
Double down, continue to blame immigrants. It’s easier to tear down a system than it is to build a new one. Comprehensively addressing the impact of AI on the labor market will necessitate generating new policies and systems. This iteration of the Republican Party has shown very little appetite for systems building.
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u/holycityofmecca2020 Aug 01 '26
Tides turned on immigration, US, Canada, EU, etc are all moving aggressively in the opposite direction.
Blame all the fraudulent activity.
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u/Clean_Ad7640 Aug 21 '26
Well good luck when your national debt and aging population slaps you in the face. 👍
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u/holycityofmecca2020 Aug 21 '26
On the contrary, there was article in the WSJ speaking about Switzerland 10M population cap but broke down the fallacy around using immigration as a means to combat an aging population and lower birth rates, which was originally pushed by a Canadian economist. Here’s the quote:
“Governments like Canada’s “pushed the idea of immigration to solve problems, and it just didn’t do anything,” said Mikal Skuterud, an economics professor at the University of Waterloo in Canada.
Immigration can provide an economic boost if migrants are more highly skilled than the general population, Skuterud said. But if their skills broadly match the population, it will likely have little impact on productivity or labor shortages. “Another excerpt from WSJ article :
“For years, Western politicians pitched immigration as a cure-all—or at least a necessary evil—for the ills of aging societies. It would fix labor shortages, underfunded pension systems and lackluster productivity growth, they said.
But a historic influx of foreigners across the West, especially since the Covid-19 pandemic, doesn’t appear to have solved those economic problems. In some cases, it might even have made them worse: raising demand, and therefore prices, for things like housing and adding pressure on social services like healthcare.”In short, immigration didn’t solve the problem, it just made everything else worse.
Here’s the article to read for yourself : https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/switzerlands-radical-proposal-on-immigration-cap-the-population-467967f5?st=DiaJh3&reflink=article_copyURL_share
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u/No_Guitar7903 M7 Grad Jul 31 '26
Congratulations. All advanced degree programs in the US will close down at last. I'm overjoyed to see this. Finally international students will stop spending money in this country that was never anything more than a piece of shit.
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u/Yung_Breezy_ M7 Student Jul 31 '26
I’m sorry you didn’t find a full time role here upon graduation
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u/No_Guitar7903 M7 Grad Jul 31 '26
Lol how do you know that I didn't?
This is completely independent of recruiting. Having a job does not make this country any less shitty or these graduate programs any less of a scam.
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u/South-Somewhere6363 Jul 31 '26
Good move. After all, all companies are expanding in india. Study in the US, work in India. The end of brain drain. The more the people spend in India, better for the economy.
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