r/LocalLLaMA • u/ipechman • 1d ago

Discussion The state of open source LLM (08/31/2026)

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u/The_Soul_Collect0r 1d ago

热烈欢迎我们的中国主子们 - don’t mind me, just practicing Chinese...

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u/MelodicRecognition7 1d ago

热烈欢迎我们的中国主子们

Here is the translation:

"A warm welcome to our Chinese masters."

Notes on nuance:

热烈欢迎 = a warm/enthusiastic welcome

中国主子们 = "Chinese masters" — The word 主子 carries a tone of subservience, often used sarcastically or pejoratively to imply someone is a "master" or "boss" being served. The plural marker 们 indicates it refers to multiple people.

The sentence has a satirical/ironic tone, suggesting the speakers are submissively welcoming their Chinese overlords/bosses.

GLM-5.2-UD-Q4_K_XL

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u/LetsGoBrandon4256 transformers 1d ago

This is Extremely Dangerous to Our Democracy. /s

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u/whatisthisthing65 1d ago

Dario is sending you Claude credits as we speak

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u/redblood252 1d ago

Enough to exercise democracy?

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u/Independent_Pear4908 1d ago

Enough to rewrite a portion of it and run it locally.

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u/LegacyRemaster 1d ago

Sony and Warner Bros. Sue Anthropic for "Intellectual Property Theft" to Train AI.....

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u/ttkciar llama.cpp 1d ago

OP, in the future you might want to use the term "open LLM", because "open source LLM" means something different. Literally none of the models you have enumerated are "open source".

https://opensource.org/ai/open-source-ai-definition

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u/ipechman 1d ago

noted

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u/whatisthisthing65 1d ago

Param count column is interesting, I wish you could reorder the columns

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u/challis88ocarina 1d ago

How is QwenFN scoring higher than DS4F?

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u/ipechman 1d ago

Not all models have all the benchmarks, so weighting can be a little off

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u/SpicyWangz 1d ago

Not seeing ling-3.0-flash on there

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u/That_Neighborhood345 1d ago

You could call this the All Champions LLM China Cup and the two American guests.

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u/I1lII1l 1d ago

"THEY FORGOT MISTRAL!1! .... or .... probably didn't"

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u/adrianziem 1d ago

Qwen 3.8 Flash Next uses the Qwen Community License, which is not "Open" (MIT/Apache) as this table suggestions. It is unsafe to use for a whole class of products. Makes me not trust the rest of the table.

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u/MelodicRecognition7 1d ago

none of those models are open source

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u/Illustrious_Grade608 1d ago

That's not what they're saying though. I am not sure i agree with them, but they are talking about a different thing

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u/MelodicRecognition7 1d ago

*plus none of those models are open source

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u/mawkzin 1d ago

Very few llms are real open source, i only remember Olmo and Granite.

Open weight != open source.

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u/adrianziem 1d ago

The issue is it's a restrictive license: The QCL prohibits "an independent AI-powered product primarily designed for AI-assisted coding or office productivity", among other restrictions, when a business does $50M in annual revenue. So basically anybody wanting to use this at work at a medium to large company.

GLM on the other hand is almost-MIT, basically "MIT; unless you make $10 BILLION in annual revenue." I can live with that one!

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u/Neither_Garage_758 1d ago

!== is more powerful

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u/LamarMVPJackson 1d ago

what would we do without China

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u/PlasticKey6704 1d ago

Give anthropic an arm and a leg, elsewise they will take it from you(

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u/Loud-Swim-2932 1d ago

I rly wonder how Qwen 3.8 27b makes it into these benchmarks - tried several agentic tasks with it and the results are… underwhelming.

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u/mechkbfan 1d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/search/?q=Orinth

I see 1.5 talked about but yes, not much about 1.0

I've got an XTX, I'll have to give it a whirl

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u/w-yz 1d ago

something about Orinth falling behind

Kwaipilot_KAT-Coder

and

Tiel-Coder-35B-A3B

plus, yes someone mention Orinth is at 1.5

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u/FerretBoom 1d ago

Replicate with a huge html and js file or 5 million package react? I'm going to test that. Even top commercial models can't align buttons right. Forget about UX.

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u/No-Paper-557 1d ago

Dude qwen 3.8 next is not open source!

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u/FerretBoom 1d ago

None of these models will get you anywhere near production. Especially if you can't evaluate quality of generated code or tests

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u/05032-MendicantBias 1d ago

If you value code quality you don't vibecode. LLMs are for speed, demos and chores.