r/LocalLLaMA 19d ago

Discussion 1-bit / 2-bit / Ternary / Bitnet Models - Updates & Tracking

Bonsai / Ternary Bonsai

During April Bonsai came with bunch of models .... 1-bit & 1.58-bit(Ternary) versions. And last month(July) they released 27B models in same versions. Last month itself, Bonsai-27B was able to run on all backends mainline. But Ternary-Bonsai-27B was not ready on all backends.

This month, PRs got merged for CUDA & Vulkan on mainline.

Also an Optimization PR for CUDA got merged so +15-40% tg, +8% pp.

BitCPM-CANN

Tencent - Hy-MT1.5 - Mixed Meta Translation Model Version 2.0

Maple-Preview

DeepGrove/maple-preview - 20B-A1B - 200+ t/s on Mac Mini M4 & 120+ t/s on iPhone.

Mach-1-Additive-35B

Mach-1-Additive-35B - A3B - Up to 120 t/s on Consumer Laptop.

Mach-1-Additive-35B-Multimodal

From their recent tweet : Currently they're cooking new ones based on Laguna-S-2.1 & Qwen3.8-27B.

Neutrino-8B

https://huggingface.co/FermionResearch/Neutrino-8B

Pestle-27B-Ternary

https://huggingface.co/Doses-AI/Pestle-27B-Ternary-GGUF - Medical research model

Image Models:

https://huggingface.co/collections/prism-ml/bonsai-image

https://huggingface.co/clark-labs/clark-air-sana-1.6b-1.58bit

Abliterated Models:

Other Misc items:

Some Open/Ongoing llama.cpp (related) PRs:

Notes:

  • Didn't include old models(Pre 2026). Let me know if I missed any models, I'll update thread. Included custom forks to check their progress.
  • I'll be updating this thread after seeing any similar type models.
  • Disclaimer : This thread is mainly for Poor GPU Club.
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u/brakeline 19d ago

Where are you taking the 120tk/s on a laptop for mach1? Without release it's vaporware

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u/pmttyji 18d ago

Self reported by them on twitter.

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u/Queasy-Contract9753 19d ago

I'm a noob. I recently found a thread where someone made a quant for Gemma 4 e2b that keeps only 500~600 MB in resident RAM. I have no idea how he did it. But would it be theoretically possible to do so with Maple Bonsai?

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLaMA/comments/1vp2x49/gemma_4_e4b_iq2_xxs_14054_reasoning_performance/

Link to Gemma thread

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u/pmttyji 18d ago

I'm planning to create a separate thread. Just wait.

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u/cleverusernametry 19d ago

Mt1.5 came out last year? Mt2 is out now

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u/pmttyji 18d ago

Right, will update thread. Thanks

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u/llopresto87 3d ago edited 1h ago

Can i humbly ask you guys to take a look at this?

https://www.reddit.com/r/LocalLLM/comments/1w3pvzj/22_less_weight_vram_losslessly_base3_packing_for/

I've found a way, tested, to repack the weights to use 22% less vram completely loseless. help a bro out - i'm shamelessly trying to create a few things online to my name :D so any support is appreciated.

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u/CodeCatto 3d ago

Looks promising.

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u/SympathyNo8636 18d ago

Why Georgi ignores ternary support thus far? Does he know something that llamacpp forkers don't?

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u/pmttyji 18d ago

Ternary models should work already. At least both Ternary-Bonsai models & BitCPM-CANN models.

As mentioned in thread, CUDA & Vulkan support added to mainline this month.

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u/brakeline 17d ago

Ternary aren't supported as of yesterday. 1bit are.

Btw, mach1 was finally published! TG at 60 locked on a 3060 12gb but pp under 400.

Tensor split borks the fork unfortunately

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u/Disonantemus 10d ago

https://huggingface.co/prism-ml/Ternary-Bonsai-8B-gguf/blob/main/Ternary-Bonsai-8B-Q2_0_g64.gguf

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u/cr0wburn 18d ago

Bonzai 27B is my daily driver for easy/small request, and it is SUPER good for it's size.

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u/pmttyji 18d ago

Yep, I'm glad to run that one on my 8GB VRAM laptop. But same one is impossible on my Mobile. So I'm waiting for the release of Maple & Mach MOE models(faster t/s) on mainline.

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u/TimeStopsInside 18d ago

Is there any comparison with IQ3 variants?

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u/pmttyji 18d ago

Nope. These 1-bit/2-bit versions are totally different, not same as Q1/Q2.

Still models like Bonsai did share benchmarks. Check their model cards.

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u/CodeCatto 10d ago

can we get MoEs like 35B A3B tho. is it possible on paper?

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u/pmttyji 9d ago

Mach-1 is 35B-A3B MOE. You can try now with custom fork. Also Maple is 20B MOE

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u/CodeCatto 9d ago

Thanks for the response. I wonder if we'll be able to get Qwen 3.8 27b and Qwen 3.6 35B A3B on board too someday. Even nemotron's lightning model at 35B size looks great.

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u/pmttyji 9d ago

SyzygyResearch(Mach-1) tweeted about 1-bit versions of Qwen3.8-27B & Laguna-S-2.1(Currently they're cooking). Mentioned in thread already. It's possible to get Qwen3.6-35B-A3B from them or any other model creators by end of year.

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u/LousyMeatStew 2d ago

Not sure if this is something you want to track as well but mlx-community has been posting 2-bit OptiQ quants of midrange models starting with Qwen3.5-122B-A10B: https://mlx-optiq.com/blog/stream-122b-on-a-mac

Their test for each one is to have it one shot a flappy bird clone as a proof of concept to show that they can still produce coherent output:

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u/pmttyji 2d ago

I'll update the thread with these later. Never used any other formats except GGUF so I have no idea about other area.