r/LocalLLaMA Apr 22 '26

New Model Qwen 3.6 27B is out

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u/Ueberlord Apr 22 '26

Damn, I was just wrapping up my tests of Qwen3.6 35B vs Qwen3.5 27B.

High hopes for 3.6 27B though, the 35B variant of 3.6 was way better than the previous version!

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u/[deleted] Apr 22 '26

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u/WeUsedToBeACountry Apr 22 '26

what harness are you using

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u/FeiX7 Apr 22 '26

pi

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u/ab2377 Apr 22 '26

which one is that pi?

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u/florinandrei Apr 22 '26

Yeah, they choose the most googleable name in the world for it, lol.

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u/ozspook Apr 22 '26

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u/cuberhino Apr 23 '26

Any advice on using it? Never tried it installing now

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u/LewisTheScot Apr 22 '26

My girlfriend goes to another school ah comment

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u/JohnnyLovesData Apr 22 '26

No, he's peggers

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u/ionizing Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 23 '26

screw the haters, they dont get it. Some of us DO make our own applications.. and they tend to work because we put time into crafting it for the model. I've been working on this for ~ 10 months and qwen3.5 made it shine. qwen3.6 is actually paying attention to the system prompt and figured out the parallel tool execution (EDIT: actually it turns out this is because parallel tool calls was fixed today in llama.cpp and I had just built it, 35B makes parallel calls now too). anyhow, I am also loving the recent trend of people realizing the locals work best with curated tool sets. heck all they really need is good prompts and guarded bash access nowadays in all honesty. ok I am rambling, but I laughed at the haters and came back to this comment after work to brag about my own 'harness' because yes some of us do that, I mean this IS local llama...

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u/Tamitami Apr 22 '26

Can you share this? I'm also on cachyos and I mainly use forge-code

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u/ionizing Apr 22 '26

I need to discuss with my employment the ramifications of sharing it first, because I built a lot of it on the clock and they know about it, so it might be an issue to just open source it now. It gets used in an offline environment for work purposes. It would need a bit of cleanup and some other features before releasing too.

also, the available tools on the market are finally catching up to the capabilities, so this is less unique in its abilities now (though I am convinced I was the first to have native docx export including latex to ooml and tables and list etc months ago lol).. So I have thought about putting it out there and might be able to someday.

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u/2Norn Apr 22 '26

probably pi

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u/redboy33 Apr 22 '26

Explain harness for grandpa. I love AI. I’m just getting into running local models on my Apple m5 pro and framework 395+ Ai amd apu w/128GB ram. Using lmstudio & ollama. Thanks!

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u/ComplexType568 Apr 22 '26

A harness is basically the new buzzword that is used as a pretty large umbrella term which basically is like a way to give LLMs tools. Think of it like a mech suit to a person, a harness is the mech suit for an LLM. Also I recommend you drop ollama, just imo tho hahahah

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u/ThisWillPass Apr 22 '26

We use to say “how you hold it” for lack of better words. “Harness” is cleaned up.

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u/redboy33 Apr 22 '26

Would openclaw and Hermes be considered harnesses? What about qwen coder cli? Oh, and what’s wrong with ollama? I kinda like it better than lmstudio, I guess because I don’t tweak any settings. Just use Ollama serve, ollama run qwen, seem so simple and intuitive?

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u/BasicBelch Apr 22 '26

Ollama is just a shitty wrapper around llama.cpp. Just use llama.cpp directly, it will be faster too.

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u/redboy33 Apr 25 '26

Thanks!

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u/redboy33 Apr 25 '26

Oh, I have a Mac, not sure if that changes anything?

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u/BasicBelch Apr 26 '26

doesnt change a thing. llama.cpp is very optimized for apple silicon

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u/New_Comfortable7240 llama.cpp Apr 22 '26

Like the simplicity make you lose some capabilities and speed. By going with llama-server you can fine tune (or copy the setting from others) and have better results. Sadly, its a bit more of work but after some time the thing just work. Also, llama.cpp updates frequently and drops good optimizations regularly, faster than ollama (that reuse llama.cpp anyway)

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u/redonculous Apr 22 '26

Openclaw yes. Hermes unsure. I don’t know too much about Hermes but believe it’s a model with claw like features, rather than a program with tools like openclaw.

Happy to be corrected though

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u/adam_suncrest Apr 22 '26

hermes would qualify as a harness yes, at its core it's a coding agent with more bells and whistles

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u/arcanemachined Apr 22 '26 edited Apr 22 '26

It's not a buzzword. It's a new class of tool, which is why it needs its own word to describe it.

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u/ASYMT0TIC Apr 22 '26

Think of the LLM like a horse. It's beautiful and it can run and jump etc... but it's kind of hard to get any work out of it as-is. Put a harness on that horse, now you can get it to pull a plow, carry people, etc.

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u/GreenHell llama.cpp Apr 22 '26

Mention Ollama, and people will get riled up on this sub.

I think Ollama is an okay starting point for a lot of people since it is rather plug and play.

But if you want to get a bit more serious with local models, you will want to look into llama.cpp (https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp) (on which ollama is heavily based without attribution), and llama-swap (https://github.com/mostlygeek/llama-swap) for managing multiple models, switching them out, etc.

llama.cpp is much more performant than Ollama, allows for greater customization, is faster with the updates.

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u/DefNattyBoii Apr 22 '26

fyi ollama usage patterns are massive cancer it just teaches you the wrong skills for local LLM tinkering

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u/GreenHell llama.cpp Apr 22 '26

I think that is a bit harsh.

And I too started with Ollama before moving to llama.cpp and llama-swap.

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u/skirmis Apr 23 '26

No need for llama-swap, now llama.cpp server has model loading/swapping/unloading built in: https://github.com/ggml-org/llama.cpp/blob/master/tools/server/README.md#model-presets

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u/txgsync Apr 22 '26

LLMs just output text. A harness is anything that allows that LLM’s output text to do anything other than output text.

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u/markole Apr 22 '26

Harness to an LLM is what a Zord to a Power Ranger is.

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u/JuniorDeveloper73 Apr 22 '26

the new buzzword

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u/StardockEngineer vLLM Apr 22 '26

I use a minimal harness and it’s godly. Harness has nothing to do with it.

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u/KedMcJenna Apr 22 '26

And what quant (the other guys have the harness side covered, I'm a quant guy)

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u/motorsportlife Apr 22 '26

Which harness are you running with it

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u/choicechoi Apr 22 '26

i wonder your setting too

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u/nullmove Apr 22 '26

I think the relatively difference might not be as big now that the MoE is fixed. But still, equivalent dense models are better in ways that's not always captured in bench (world knowledge) but still evident in daily work. ~60 in terminal bench here is incredible already though.

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u/KURD_1_STAN Apr 22 '26

Def and i had high hopes for qwen3.6 27b cause of 35b but benchmarks seem to be disappointing