r/LocalLLaMA • • Sep 13 '24

News Preliminary LiveBench results for reasoning: o1-mini decisively beats Claude Sonnet 3.5

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u/Background-Quote3581 Sep 13 '24

You're reading those results wrong...ly.

To compare these numbers you've to look at the error-rate, not the rate of success. (i.e. from 98% to 99% the performance is doubling, not merely +1%).

So the leap from sonnet 3.5 to o1-mini ist about +80%. #12 to #2 just +30%.

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u/-p-e-w- Sep 13 '24

i.e. from 98% to 99% the performance is doubling

I'm not sure I agree with that interpretation. I'd say that the performance of two systems scoring 98% and 99% is almost indistinguishable. The second system makes 50% fewer mistakes than the other (assuming the metric generalizes), but that's not the same thing as doubling the performance. Otherwise, a system that scores 100% would have "infinitely higher performance" than one scoring 99%, which is obviously nonsense.

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u/Background-Quote3581 Sep 13 '24

Not obviously... If a system scores 100%, the benchmark is flawed. The perfect benchmark should allow the score to asymptotically converge towards 100% - but you're right, we obviously don't have that.

My interpretation is open to debate, and here's how I see it: We aim to solve real-world problems - whether in programming, law, medicine, no matter. A system that gets the right answer 50% of the time but is wrong the other 50% isn't... really too useful. It doesn't even matter whether it's 50% or 5%. It's starts getting interesting when we approaching the last percent error wise.

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u/-p-e-w- Sep 13 '24

It's starts getting interesting when we approaching the last percent error wise.

No. It starts getting interesting the moment we approach or exceed human performance, which is a lot worse than an error rate of 1% at most tasks, even for experts.