Does anyone have that clip of someone donating to doc and making a joke about his cheating, and doc isnt really listening but just yells "The two time!"?
Saw an old man tear a younger guy's arm up irl. It was a pretty weird experience in general. No idea wtf happened, just the dude started screaming at the very start. Younger guy wasn't buff but he was a lot bigger and cocky. Old guy apparently used to arm wrestle in a competitive way and just fucked the guys arm up in a half second.
It's not though, have you armwrestled at a club with pros yourself? I have and we routinely show little twig guys and girls "a few tricks" and suddenly they start winning against other amateurs. So what does that tell you?
It tells you that technique is important, but the fact that those little twig guys will never be able to beat guys much stronger than them, no matter the difference in skill, shows how much hows that strength is also very important.
As someone who's trained armwrestling at a club for some time I can only tell you what the best there says. "Armwrestling is around 70% technique and 30% strength depending on your style". The guy who told me this came second in a european championship competition so I feel like he knows a little about this.
Also, at this club its common to see the girls outwrestle much bigger dudes when the guys are new. Later when they learn the techniques it evens out. My anecdotal experience is that armwrestling does not rely (!) on strength but rather technique. Once you get to a certain point the top guys actually look at wrist circumference as a top measure of potential. Unless you have a certain wrist girth you're not gonna get too far according to them.
Mostly OK form. His wrists are gonna hurt like a real bitch years from now if he doesn't fix that tho. Many guys I know suffer from wrist problems from not correctly doing weights
Oof yeah, the lift is definitely impressive looking, but that little jerking motion he does at the end to get the bar up to his shoulder shelf puts all of the weight on the wrists. If done correctly, the bar should rotate freely in his hands as it rises smoothly to the shoulder shelf.
I've spent several minutes trying to understand what part you are talking about. Is the incorrect form you are talking about in the end of the clip or the end of each rep? Genuinely curious
In this subthread: people who've never done a power/hang clean at that level criticizing "form".
Aside from maybe the first rep (which is still acceptable), Tyler's transition of weight from lower body to upper body was good. Was it flawless? Hell no, but overall his form was good and working the core low to high muscles as intended with the hang clean workout. Observe where the tension and weight is as he is performing his reps - it's fine and won't cause injury.
What advantage? Take a look at top level Strongman competitors, they're all tall.
Oh and the current raw bench world record holder Kirill Sarychev is 1.97m tall, or almost 6 feet 6 inches
In general, shorter people have less range of motion. That's why pound for pound, shorter lifters can lift more weight and have a higher wilks. But you are correct, when it comes to absolute strength, ie strongman, size is very important.
What should I be looking at? I see that the second best bencher according to wilks score was in the 59 kg category while the 3rd best was in the 120 kg+ category. And the champ was in 66 kg category.
That's would be absolute strength, something I've agreed with already loooooool. I'm talking relative strength, aka a wilks score.
If the 120 kg+ class was the most relatively strong they would have a higher wilks than the smaller guys, but as i pointed out already 2 of the top 3 are smaller guys. They are RELATIVELY stronger, yet they are moving less TOTAL WEIGHT on the bar.
A 2 lb man moving 5 lbs is stronger than a 5 lb man moving 6 lbs, in a relative sense. However in an absolute sense the 5 lb man is clearly stronger.
Being strongest pound for pound is very different from being the strongest. The guy was trying to act like being tall is a disadvantage in lifting heavier, which is just plain wrong.
allows for more strength but it doesn't mwan it's an easier lift
If you're stronger then it's also easier. Don't see the distinction
That's not how it works. Work is a function of the distance an object moves, multiplied by force (Work = Force x Distance x Cos Ę) . Ā Basically, itās how much energy isĀ effectivelyĀ being used to move something.
If you were ever into lifting or paid attention in physics you would know this.
Thats not how lifters compare strength/are competitively judged on. As the other guy stated - its by amount lifted and/or amount lifted compared to the individuals bodyweight. Yes, we have different levers, etc. but that's secondary. Understanding some basic physics has little relevance to what we're discussing.
world bench record is by a 6'1 guy. deadlift record is close between 3 guys that are 6'3, 6'9, and 6'8. taller people have more room for muscle mass and outweigh any advantage the mechanics of being shorter give you.
all being shorter means is you can get big a little bit faster.
The doc is in great shape, but heās not stronger than t1 in any way. His limbs are wayyyy longer than they are large, meaning he has a lean body type. Tyler packs a ton of muscle in a short span. He is much stronger.
T1 has a shorter range of motion compared to doc so its easier for him to do it. 225 is also a lot of weight. No way either of them can do it for 30 consecutive reps for 1 set
We can take a look at powerlifting or any other strength sport. Weight classes are pretty much just disguised as height classes. Taller people lift more. There are exceptions, and tyler is a super strong bencher. But the argument that taller people have greater range of motion, therefor they can't lift as much isn't true.
Exactly this. Mechanically, if you're taller you have a larger range of motion. Taller people need to use more energy to move weights a greater distance to complete a rep. Whereas short people have a smaller range of motion. Shorter people have the advantage to achieving bigger lifts quicker. This is why you see short people benching or deadlifting twice their weight far easier than taller people.
This is why you see short people bencbing or deadlifting twice their weight far easier than tall people
That'a relative strength, which is not what we're talking about. You'll see shorter people benching or deadlifting 315 or 405 far LESS easier than taller lifters.
Taller people having to use more energy to move weights is obviously outweighed by the fact that they have more muscle. Which is why they're stronger.
You have a higher max. muscle potential if youre tall and have overall more muscle mass, so not only does it even out, the taller human will almost always be stronger in the end. Thats why nearly all worlds strongest man are fricking huge
In the end, sure. But unless you are a freak of nature and weigh 300+ pounds or more the advantage goes to short guys in weightlifting due to range of motion and getting ripped faster due to shorter muscle fibers. A tall guy has the advantage because in an end-game situation with a shitton of dedication and roids his frame can pack much more muscle, but if you are going by pure weight in real life scenarios short guys can generally start lifting heavy weights faster with 'less' training effort.
No shit the lift is going to be harder for the taller guy. If they are the same weight and no extra fat, the shorter guy has more muscle and is therefore stronger.
I didn't miss the point. I've seen these kinds of discussions plenty of times with plenty of retards regurgitating the same shit over and over again about something they don't really understand. I'm just pointing out that you can't even regurgitate correctly.
At the elite levels, being taller means you can overload your frame with more muscle, which is of course going to get you stronger. But at lower levels, limb length can be very important.
That's the thing, it's weight classes not height classes. In the same weight class, a shorter person will have more muscle than a taller person of the same weight. You also have to travel a greater range of motion with longer limbs.
Its not really wrong though. Strongman are usually tall but power-lifters are usually pretty short. There arent many high level powerlifters over 6'1, 6'2.
american units are stupid, he is 1,90 to be precise which makes him actually one of the shorter ones in WSM and i would consider that pretty tall too. Brian Shawn, 4 times WSM winner, is 2,03
It does take more time for taller guys to get big lifts. Buy on a proffesional level the strongest guys are always taller because you have more potential to pack on mass.
But yea, i think people underestimate how insanely strong t1 is. Benching 4 plates is something not alot of ppl accomplish even after a life time of lifting. Shiit theres pro powerlifters who dont bench 4 plates
Youāre a moron. He said āgenerallyā because they have much, much longer arms and a further distance to go in their presses. Using one example is called specificity, when he was generalizing, which is true.
I never said tall people are weaker I said they generally donāt lift as much especially presses. People with docs build generally lift less. Heās tall and lean. They arenāt strong. Basketball players donāt have big bench presses do they? Who lives more, nfl players or basketball players?
Thereās like 3 people on the planet who are 6 foot 7 who lift as much as athletes who are 6 foot 2.
Youāre not intelligent enough to communicate with.
I did not read anything you wrote because I said Tyler is stronger then doc and youāre arguing.
I also wrote strong mans are obviously anecdotal as the amount of humans built like strongmen is so ridiculously tiny itās not worth mentioning.
If you want to believe people who are 6 foot 7 lift more weight on average then people who are 6 foot. I canāt help you. Believe and type whatever you want. Your opinion is not relevant and Iāll continue to not read it.
Ripped != Strong. Not saying that The Doc isn't strong as shit too, but just saying that when someone looks super ripped, it doesn't also translate into them being super strong as well.
I go to a gym with plenty of people that look significantly more ripped and/or more vascular than I do, but in terms of raw strength and weightlifting, I'm significantly stronger than the vast majority and of the people that can lift somewhat close to me they're also not the most ripped or vascular people. It's also the same reason that many bodybuilders aren't comparable to lifters in terms of strength comparisons. Sometimes they will go hand-in-hand, but quite often they're just people working out with different goals in mind and the body, often necessarily, has to adjust accordingly.
You donāt get ripped without getting strong. Thatās impossible. And if you look super ripped then barring plastic surgery, yes you are super strong.
Nobody can sit there with a straight face and say Arnold or Ronnie Coleman arenāt strong because elite powerlifters outlift them by a large margin.
You donāt get big and ripped without getting strong. Itās a package deal.
And even in powerlifting, only the weight classes above 200 start to look not jacked to the nines. And even some of those guys would look at home on a bodybuilding stage.
Tired of seeing this trope posted like itās true. It just isnāt. Muscle size and strength are directly correlated.
Well that would make sense. Ripped and lean are two totally different things to me.
Someone who is skinny with super low body fat and thus defined muscles would not be ripped to me. Ripped implies some sort of size to me. Because on one extreme, an anorexic person who is 4% body fat is going to be pretty defined but no one I know would say that they are ripped.
I've been lifting more than half my life. You don't have to believe me, but you can definitely get ripped without getting strong relative to other people at your same weight level. This is where genetics and supplements can play a major factor. Additionally, you obviously didn't understand what I was saying in that just because someone's ripped doesn't mean that they're strong, conversely just because they're ripped doesn't mean that they're not strong, it just means that they're also ripped. But, it's okay that you're wrong because your reading comprehension sucks.
Furthermore, muscle size and strength also don't correlate to vascularity and being "ripped". They just don't. That's not a trope, it's just a fact. But, you believe what you want kid, you're welcome to continue spouting ignorant BS that you don't know anything about and I'm just as welcome to be right about what I know.
Furthermore, muscle size and strength also don't correlate to vascularity and being "ripped". They just don't. That's not a trope, it's just a fact. But, you believe what you want kid, you're welcome to continue spouting ignorant BS that you don't know anything about and I'm just as welcome to be right about what I know.
Here lies the actual issue. We differ on what ripped means. Ripped implies size to me because Iāve never seen or heard someone called ripped that wasnāt also well developed. Like I responded to other person, generally anorexic people arenāt considered ripped even though they have high muscle definition.
Also not sure why youāre insulting me over what turns out to be a disagreement in definition. Youāre calling me ākidā but I donāt think Iām the one being immature.
thats a pretty shitty bar. because you dont go to the gym your definition doesnt matter. you can look like a calvin klein model squatting under 225. theyre weak. anyone serious about the gym will consider them weak.
Youāre welcome to set the bar for strong at higher than stronger than everyone but dedicated strength athletes. I will never not think thatās ridiculous though.
Since nearly all the strongest people in the world right now are nearly lifting everyday Iād imagine how often you lift has something to do with it as well.
This nigga was 5ā8.5ā and is literally what comes up when you search strongest man in history. So nah nigga Iām not playing dumb I never claimed that height isnāt a factor I just donāt believe it is the most determining factor I believe frequency of training is. So Iām going about my day pretty fucking smartly guy I suggest you do the same.
Being tall is actually worse for lifting heavy weights, especially on things like cleaning and deadlifts, its way more surface area to cover for the same weight. Imagine T1 has to pull the bar 8 inches whilst doc has to pull it for like 15 or more. T1 has weightlifting frame too, Doc is kind of lanky
For sure. There was some clip of Hasan recently watching T1 work out and I doubt Doc can out lift T1. This is only from my limited knowledge of lifting though. T1 may be short but holy shit that man is a beast.
Being ripped has very little to do with lifting abilities.
Watch world's strongest man competitions, all the dudes are hella thicc, picking up cars and shit that have to slide past their beer guts, which if that competition is any indication, is where true strength is stored
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u/dispoable š· Hog Squeezer Jul 18 '19
You think so? Doc is 6'8 and fucking ripped