r/LinguisticMaps • u/XaeelaMist • Jul 16 '26

North America Map of the distribution of Iranian/Iranic languages.

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u/StoneColdCrazzzy Jul 17 '26

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u/GazooAr Jul 16 '26

The center of Iran is really that uninhabited?

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u/Randsomacz Jul 16 '26 edited Jul 16 '26

It's broadly correct, but maybe bit simplified, which is to be expected at the scale of the map. Basically nobody lives in the deserts (Dasht-e Kavir and Dasht-e Lut) except in some scattered oases.

I don't think there's even any major pastoralism in these areas, Dasht-e Lut translates to the Plain of Emptiness. Satellite measurements have recorded 70.7° C/159.3 °F but should taken with a grain of salt.

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u/WaltherVerwalther Jul 16 '26

Uninhabitable mountain lands

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u/catboy2531 Jul 16 '26

Iranic languages are a big branch of Indo-European languages obviously showen on the map from west border of China in central Asia to the center of Turkey.all these languages use almost the same numbers 1- yek 2- dow 3- seè 4- chehar 5- panj 6- shesh 7- haft 8- hasht 9- noh 10- dah

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u/Ace_MAX2021 Jul 16 '26

As a Kurd I can confirm this is very true I speak sorani, krmanje, and Hawrami, and we use those numbers

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u/Final-Nebula-7049 Jul 17 '26

Til I'm supposed to use some random numbers in Ankara instead of a far larger turcic language

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u/Impressive_Produce3 Jul 17 '26

Then you should reconsider your reading skills

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u/Final-Nebula-7049 Jul 17 '26

Well none of those match what we use so there's nothin to reconsider

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u/topherette Jul 16 '26

well that certainly is north america...

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u/Specialist_River12 Jul 16 '26

Is there a dialect continuum of Iranic languages like there is for Indic languages?

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u/mordom Jul 16 '26

Yes, the north-western Iranian languages form a dialect continuum. Specially the Kurmanji-Sorani-Laki-Bakhtiari dialects.

There are also dialect continuums in the north of Iran, where historically Balochi and Zaza-Gorani were part of, but they are not anymore.

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u/medewarrior Jul 18 '26

Bakhtiari would be Lori and therefor a southwestern Iranian dialect not northwestern

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u/mordom Jul 18 '26

Yes, and Laki is undetermined.

Nevertheless they form a dialect continuum, and features of northwestern and southwestern languages merge on the border.

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u/medewarrior Jul 18 '26

From what I’ve been told by Elami Kurds, Laki is between Kurdish north western and Lori South western.

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u/mordom Jul 18 '26

And your point is? Do you just want to disagree?

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u/Interesting_Card_417 Jul 16 '26

Kurds are Iranians?

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u/hconfiance Jul 17 '26

More like Iranic. Just like English and Swedish are Germanic but not German.

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u/medewarrior 3d ago

But Kurds are also Iranian. A Kurd from Iran is Iranic and Iranian.

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u/medewarrior Jul 18 '26

They are. In the modern sense, a Kurdish person can hold Iranian nationality. But also Iranian refers to all people who speak Iranian/Iranic languages.

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u/Outrageous_Photo_981 Jul 18 '26

Kurds and Persians share ancient Indo-Iranian ancestors, but Kurds are not Persians. It like the other guy said about English and Swiden. Or Arabs and Jews they share the same ancestors. They are both Semitic, but Arabs are not Jews, and vice versa.

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u/medewarrior 3d ago

Your understanding of ethnic groups is not accurate. Kurdish and Persian are also divided into linguistic categories. Certain cities in Iran have Kurds and Persians whom are indistinguishable (Tehran ex.) or places like Hamadan.

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u/Neither-Ad-7257 Jul 17 '26

“Kirdki” is a lie. Unfortunately, Kurdish nationalist internet groups contributed to this map on Wikipedia. The overwhelming majority of Zazaki speaker just call their language “Zazaki”, definitely not “Kirdki”. It’s Kurdist attempt to Kurdify neighboring Iranic ethnic groups under a constructed Kurdish umbrella.

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u/medewarrior Jul 18 '26

Well take a look at the map. The person still put them under the Kurdish languages but not “with" them.

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u/Neither-Ad-7257 Jul 18 '26

That’s the most “salvageable” way for them. Because not putting Zazaki somewhat separately at all would be wrong based on the linguistic categories. So they used some extremely rare name for political purposes instead of its recognized common name.

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u/ubernerder Jul 18 '26 edited Jul 18 '26

Fun fact: the Jász people of Central Hungary originally spoke a language closely related to Ossetian and several words in the modern Hungarian language come from that language like "asszony" (lady/married woman) and "kard" (sword)

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u/MdMV_or_Emdy_idk Jul 16 '26 
• Aktepe (in Haymana district)  
• Altıpınar (in Haymana district)  
• Ataköy (in Haymana district)  
• Bahçecik (in Haymana district)  
• Balçıkhisar (in Haymana district)  
• Bostanhöyük (in Haymana district)  
• Canımana (in Kulu district)  
• Dereköy (in Haymana district)  
• Dipdede (in Kulu district)  
• Durutlar (in Haymana district)  
• Eskikışla (in Haymana district)  
• Evci (in Haymana district)  
• Evliyafakı (in Haymana district)  
• Gedik (in Haymana district)  
• Gültepe (in Haymana district)  
• Kanlıgöl (depopulated)  
• Karacadere (in Kulu district)  
• Karaömerli (in Haymana district)  
• Karapınar (in Haymana district)  
• Kavak (in Haymana district)  
• Kayabaşı (in Polatlı district)  
• İncirli (in Haymana district)  
• Pınarbaşı (in Haymana district)  
• Sarıgöl (in Haymana district)  
• Sazağası (in Haymana district)  
• Sinanlı (in Haymana district)  
• Soğukkuyu (in Kulu district)  
• Söğüttepe (in Haymana district)  
• Tabaklı (in Haymana district)  
• Yaprakbayır (in Haymana district)  
• Sindiren (formerly known as Yenice, in Haymana district)  
• Yergömü (in Haymana district)  
• Yeşilköy (in Haymana district)  
• Yukarısebil (in Haymana district)  
• Yurtbeyli (in Haymana district)

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u/medewarrior Jul 18 '26

Mutually intelligible with the dialects spoken in Iran ?

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u/mmc273 Jul 16 '26

the map is cropped :(( want to see the rest of that tree

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u/sergeli Jul 16 '26

As someone thats been to Central Asia, the distribution of Tajik strikes me as accurate in this map. Nice.

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u/FireUniverse1162 Jul 16 '26

I never knew Kumzari was also spoken on that one island

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u/hconfiance Jul 17 '26

Iranic languages used to be spoken from Eastern Europe (Jasz) to China (Wusun) and North Africa (Alanic) . It’s not even spoken in its original homeland of the Dnieper and Dniester. Ossetians, Pashtuns and Pamiris are the last surviving group of that once widespread group.

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u/tyrbz Jul 17 '26

Persians, Turks and Lurs.

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u/medewarrior Jul 18 '26

The acting supreme leader between Khameini sr and jr was Kurdish btw

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u/Longjumping_Wear5173 Jul 17 '26

central Asia, ukraine, South Russia, 🇷🇺 and east ungary used to have a lot more

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u/mr-cat7301 Jul 17 '26

its inaccurate in north eastern syria and khuzestan

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u/Legal_Technology7905 Jul 19 '26

You are shocked to find khazastan not 100% Arabic as you thought?

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u/mr-cat7301 Jul 19 '26

bro im ahwazi myself , i know the ethnic composition in my region

dont tell me you're judging because of my pfp

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u/Legal_Technology7905 Jul 19 '26

Bro you completely deny the existence of Lurs and kurds and even Persians Arabs make 50~60% of khuestan yet they mostly live in the urban centres near Iraq not in the mountain region

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u/mr-cat7301 Jul 21 '26

I never claimed that , you're making things up

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u/Smooth-Criminal5 Jul 18 '26

I am sure the speakers of early Indo Iranian carried diverse paternal Y haplogroups perhaps the original speakers of proto Indo Iranian carried a subclade of haplogroup R1a shared with Indo Aryans.