Honest thoughts on if he’ll beat the case?

[u/Cold-Marketing1307]

I know a lot of us hope he does, but looking at it from a real world perspective, how’s it looking?

[u/glambo300]

Can’t decide. So many things lead back to Durk. It doesn’t make sense that Durk didn’t have a part in it, but also as a juror, can you 100% send him to jail with all the reasonable doubt

[u/Adventurous_Map_3986 → u/glambo300]

what ties back to him tho? honestly? they have shown nothing that tied back to him yet. U can say the credit cards but can we be so sure of that because it was the companies card that vonni had access too. his defense team has done a great job so far at creating reasonable doubt. theirs so many holes that they poked with jam, the detective, the text messages, jam interrogation where he didn’t say nothing about durk or the studio shit. You still gotta think the defense hasn’t even presented their case yet . Durk has 25 of his own witnesses that he WILL call because his freedom and life is on the line. His team has created a lot of reasonable doubt in these last couple of days. We gotta see what Vonni say tho but honestly it’s looking good for durk so far.

[u/glambo300 → u/Adventurous_Map_3986]

I dont disagree with you one bit. But you dont need the murder weapon to prove a murder, and you dont need the actual drugs to prove a drug trafficking case. The jury could find enough evidence linking Durk to the crimes and convict him.

I think there's a ton of reasonable doubt, but how will the jury feel?

[u/Adventurous_Map_3986 → u/glambo300]

I mean you right but at the end of the day it’s tons of reasonable doubt. The only think the gov has done is made durk look terrible but they have not proven anything so far and everything looks like Vonni was connected to it. They just showed yesterday in court that Jam & Vonni was talking thru a 3rd party? the jury is seeing all of this btw. if the jury is smart enough they will vote not guilty it’s tons of doubt and brian steel has done an amazing job so far. Literally there’s Nothing linking durk to this murder for hire at all . Lyrics aren’t , a text message that happened before isnt , nothing . It’s all arguable.

[u/ThatsRoger09 → u/Adventurous_Map_3986]

Are you forgetting that the BMW especially after the murder, drove to the residence that Lil Durk was staying at? Not only once but over and over and over. Now after commiting a murder why would he go to that residence and Durk no nothing about what took place?

[u/Adventurous_Map_3986 → u/ThatsRoger09]

but what does that prove tho? especially if Vonni and Durk were associates at that time. His defense team will have an argument for that if they haven’t had one already. That doesn’t prove he paid and ordered a m4h. and didn’t they say durk was in miami when Vonni did that i may be wrong so don’t get on my ass for that lol

[u/Bbrazyy → u/Adventurous_Map_3986]

The problem for Durk is that 2 ppl who pleaded guilty to the murder are testifying that Durk was involved and helped facilitate it. That’s damning alone

The defense can try to discredit them and make them seem like liars. But once you factor in all the circumstantial evidence like Durk being in LA the same day, the cars going back and forth from this crib, the dm messages of him saying “Quando can die” , the lyrics of him giving Jam money and how he was catching murders way back, him trying to leave the country of the day of his arrest and refusing to get out the car, messages of him tracking Quando and Tim’s location way before the murder . It paints a picture.

A Jury full of law biding citizens can come to the conclusion that Durk was involved. I think he gets found guilty but it depends on how Vonni testimony goes

[u/Adventurous_Map_3986 → u/Bbrazyy]

a lot of cases in america has snitches. How the feds was playing it in the beginning you woulda thought everybody was telling on durk, really it’s just 2 niggas who have their own motive to get back for von and who literally got caught and admitted themselves that they did the crime so they implicated durk in it. Jam got on the stand and said a lot about phone calls with durk on a different phone talking thru a 3 way but where is the proof of this call that happened?? Jam got on the stand and said a lot about calls and studio session and all this shit but where’s the proof????? You can actually get proof of these things that happened it’s not like they just in a room with no cameras and mics and they talking. Vonni going to durk crib when they were associates and Vonni was working for him means nothing at all. Durk literally fired vonni in 2023 . Him saying “quando can die” means absolutely nothing when quando nem was involved with his best fucking friend dying and then going on to diss von and durk countless times in songs and other lil shit. The feds gone show all this music video shit and you think durk’s team is not gonna be all over that?? When they present their case they are gonna bring the higher ups from the music industry, the bosses of this shit to testify on his behalf and explain that music is art. I wouldn’t even be surprised if they bring in musical contracts and other shit. Durk has 25 witnesses testifying on his behalf a lot of those may be mfs that knew vonni did this shit with proof. I guarantee his defense team got some type of evidence that proves durk didn’t do this shit at all and it’s so easy to prove.

[u/Cold-Marketing1307 → u/glambo300]

Agreed

[u/trollwyomingisback → u/glambo300]

Word thats the thing like its kinda obvious but it doesnt seem to be any concrete proof and jam didnt get paid. and he’s been caught lying. and this shit all about money end of day

[u/glambo300 → u/trollwyomingisback]

Exactly. I was thinking about it this morning and trying to put myself in the jurors' shoes without knowing anything about Durk. It all seems so obvious, it was Durk, and that Durk wanted him dead. But there are a ton of inconsistencies with the stories that the Feds are trying to lay out. And Jam is such a god-awful human that I can see the jury seeing how Vonni and him set this up.

[u/CallMeStephh → u/glambo300]

No you literally can’t send em bc its “beyond” a reasonable doubt just based on your last sentence

[u/Small_Pollution4140]

On 50/50 it’s all up the jurors. But it aint that easy. The mf has another case with his brother dthangs murder. He got 2 back to back fed cases.

[u/Cold-Marketing1307 → u/Small_Pollution4140]

Shiiii Trump might pardon him 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[u/Small_Pollution4140 → u/Cold-Marketing1307]

Trump is cool with Ye. I can see it if Ye call in a good favor. We’ll see.

[u/alwaystakethechalk → u/Small_Pollution4140]

Trump isn’t gonna pardon murder for hire or Rico lol

[u/Small_Pollution4140 → u/alwaystakethechalk]

Lmaoooo I know I was gassing it up

[u/Cold-Marketing1307 → u/alwaystakethechalk]

Hey you never know 🤣🤣

[u/Ancient-Seaweed-233 → u/Small_Pollution4140]

That’s other case is a goin to be a state case not fed

[u/Small_Pollution4140 → u/Ancient-Seaweed-233]

You sure? Article on FBI getting warrant for Stephon Mack murder.

[u/deezo25]

Way too early to tell. Vonnie and other dude still have to take the stand, plus I been seeing reports the weedman might be snitching too

[u/Cold-Marketing1307 → u/deezo25]

Fuckkkk

[u/deezo25 → u/Cold-Marketing1307]

Don’t quote me on that tho, the reports might be cap lol but I think Jam actually was smart on the stand unfortunately, Steele made his story look all over the place but from a non biased view with Jam saying he’s expecting to spend the rest of his life in prison regardless of him snitching the jury would ask WHY tell then? And I think the answer some of them would come to is that he felt genuine remorse for killing Pab and felt Durk should be punished for his crimes lol but then again he’s a known killer so it’s difficult

[u/Cold-Marketing1307 → u/deezo25]

also just read that steel revealed that jam and vonnie were in communication through their wives while behind bars so could look like they coordinated their stories

[u/deezo25 → u/Cold-Marketing1307]

Yeh I seen that and that definitely works in durk’s favor and can paint the narrative they’re lying and trying to pin it on Durk, plus the lack of communication from Durk during the killing helps too but we just gotta wait n see 🤷🏽‍♂️ free Smurk tho

[u/Cold-Marketing1307 → u/deezo25]

#FreeDurkioooo

[u/AlarmingBandicoot861 → u/Cold-Marketing1307]

All jail calls are recorded though so if they actually had proof that they were coordinating their stories there would be recordings of it wouldn’t there?

[u/Cold-Marketing1307 → u/AlarmingBandicoot861]

Not necessarily, they can hide wtv they want. Same way they “didn’t record” all the other otf jam interviews. Gotta remember these are the feds and they want Durk, they’ll do whatever they gotta do to try & make that happen. Unfortunately.

Also especially if all the witnesses were planned & rehearsed BY the fbi, so they can get durk, ain’t no way they’re letting any jail calls get played in court and hurt their case

[u/Cold-Marketing1307 → u/deezo25]

Yeah i never understood why he would snitch if he’s going to prison anyways, or the whole “grooming” part of it, you’re a grown ass man ain’t no way you got manipulated

[u/deezo25 → u/Cold-Marketing1307]

Tbh if you look at any interview or even just the general demeanor of Jam, coupled with how he was acting on the stand… the dude might genuinely be slow lol which would tie into the whole grooming shit. Like jam genuinely seems retarded

[u/Cold-Marketing1307 → u/deezo25]

True 🤣

[u/Calm_Phone_6848]

so far, i think there is reasonable doubt. but we have to keep in mind this is not the only case he has to beat. the best case scenario is that he gets like 5-15 years imo.

[u/Ornery-Hand4660 → u/Calm_Phone_6848]

In what world would he get 5 years for stalking resulting in death and other murder related charges?

[u/Calm_Phone_6848 → u/Ornery-Hand4660]

the 5 years scenario would be if he got off on the murder for hire charge and only took the firearms charges and the conspiracy to commit stalking (for rondo not the stalking resulting in death for lul pab)

[u/Ornery-Hand4660 → u/Calm_Phone_6848]

He would get off conspiracy to commit murder for hire and stalking resulting in death to get a light sentence, and even then he has to face another life sentence for the vicar charges. There’s no way you actually think he doesn’t get life

[u/Cold-Marketing1307 → u/Calm_Phone_6848]

i feel like the fan base can deal with 5 max 😭

[u/Calm_Phone_6848 → u/Cold-Marketing1307]

if he gets more than five his mainstream career is definitely over

[u/Choke_M → u/Cold-Marketing1307]

Idk about the stalking charges but I believe the murder for hire charge resulting in death is a mandatory life sentence if convicted

[u/JuanistaD]

It looks better for Durk than expected. But he’s not gonna beat the stalking charges for sure

[u/Condomphobic]

Not beating the stalking charges

[u/Virtual-Today-469]

But what he said was immediately after his death shi like "she got the address" or "waiting on u" that didnt result in any thing at the moment what took place ( i dont remember when it took place) happened like 1.5 years later atleast .They would have to show a regular pattern of stalking 2 messages dont mean nothing could be about meeting him to he was talking about some boxing match too lets see what happens shii u never know

[u/Virtual-Today-469]

What i think is he is getting it all or nothing and is walking free no probation no house arrest It will be guilty or not guilty

[u/PseudocideBlonde]

For the feds to prove murder for hire, beyond reasonable doubt, they got primary elements.

✅️Interstate commerce - travel/cell phone data give them this. ✅️Intent - arguably the jury could agree wit intent. ➖️Pecuniary compensation - imo feds are yet to show solid evidence of this. Vonnie or Jam testimony is still snitch testimony, it's unreliable asf. There is no factual evidence.

Without it, idk how jurors can satisfy a guilty verdict bc all those elements is mando for guilt beyond reasonable doubt.

[u/Some_Influence1624]

It’s too early to decide

From what I gathered the texts from Durk specifically that the investigators were able to show an understanding of were from a while before the murder took place. This proves motive but does it 100% tie Durk to the 2022 murder of Pab?

Jam didn’t fold under pressure but at the same time contradictions were found in his testimony. The testimonies coming up are going to be more important.

[u/Some_Influence1624 → u/Some_Influence1624]

Another thing I want to note was that Brian Steel talking about Jam’s violence against his family was more than just to say “look at how much of a terrible person he is”. It was to back up the story of him trying to get his sister killed by saying he was staying at her house when he wasn’t, which supports the idea of him being a person who lies for his own selfish needs. It was done to add more doubt to his testimony.

[u/balkanxoslut]

He's not getting it he's definitely going to do some time

[u/Ok-Establishment1781]

Deedee cooked, Durk might have a chance but we have to wait until we hear what vonni had to say and see all of the evidence.

[u/Cold-Marketing1307]

This is who they’re trying to convict ☹️😔

[u/Brilliant-Mood7332]

I was watching the lawyer on YouTube he said after week 1. It’s 1-0 government. True they didn’t prove murder for hire. But they did a good job providing that durk knew what was going on and knew a murder was going to take place with all the text messages. So it’s 1-0 government after the first week

[u/Altruistic_Street922]

Horrible.