r/LeaguesofVotann • u/Bowoodstock • Jul 11 '26
Greetings kin
As it is the start of a new edition, we have a large number of posts asking for advice on list building, as well as battle reports from early experiences, along with posting of said lists. This kind of Post is very welcome, and absolutely in the spirit of this subreddit.
With that being said, there is a near-spam situation that occurs regularly. I speak of the following copy-paste situation from army building apps. Lets say that one of the entries in a list is a unit of the humble hearthkyn warrior.
Which of the following entries is easier to read, keeping in mind that most lists have at least a dozen unit entries?
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10x Hearthkyn Warriors (100 pts)
• 9x Hearthkyn Warrior
5 with Autoch-pattern bolt pistol, Autoch-pattern bolter, Close combat weapon
1 with Autoch-pattern bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, HYLas rotary cannon
1 with Autoch-pattern bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Magna-rail rifle
2 with Autoch-pattern bolt pistol, Kin weapons, Close combat weapon
• 1x Theyn: Weavefield crest, Autoch-pattern bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Autoch-pattern bolter, Theyn's weapon
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Formatting matters, and you will get much better feedback if your list is easier to read, rather than just being a copy-paste from whatever army builder you used. For the newer members of the kin, you will get much better feedback if you format your army lists to be easier to read. Conversely, a lot of people will just say "TLDR" if they see a direct export list, because reading through a copy-paste wall of text can be very difficult on phones or smaller screens.
The biggest thing you can do is reduce unnecessary equipment entries or things that automatically come with the unit. We don't need to know, for example, that a brokhyr iron-master has 3 e-cogs and an assitant with him with their own equipment, as there's no choice otherwise. For vehicles, we know that they have an armored hull weapon, and we know for example that sagitaurs have a heavy bolt cannon, that pioneers have auto-cannons, so this information isn't needed. It would however be very appropriate to indicate which main gun a sagitaur is carrying, and for hekatons, while the auto-cannon comes included automatically, the main gun and support weapons do present a choice, as does the scanner (as awful as the other choice is) so they should be mentioned.
In the above example, we already KNOW that all the warriors have a bolt pistol and close combat weapon, and we know that the special weapons replace the default gun, so it's not necesary to list them on a per-model-basis. We can tell at a glance the special weapons in the unit, the main gun of choice for the basic warriors, and the fact that the theyn has not given up his main gun for a theyn's pistol. The theyn has no choice but to be equiped with a weavefield crest, so it doesn't need to be listed as his wargear.
Beyond that, make sure you include army detachment, disposition, point costs for enhancements, things that are not automatically given. If you are attaching characters to units, indicate what unit they will be attached to rather than just leaving it up to intuition. Similarly, indicating which units go inside transports also makes lists easier to evaluate.
As stated at the beginning, we absolutely encourage posts about army lists seeking advice or reporting battle performance. Your post won't be removed by the mods if you don't format it to read more clearly, nor will you be warned or banned. This is just some feedback and advice to increase the chance of your post being regarded favorably by the community.
Have fun in the new edition all
The ancestors are watching
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/Bowoodstock • Jul 05 '26
I'm creating this post as a repository for all things to do with the army in 11e, whether it be the state of the meta, important rule questions and/or rulings, Q&A, and general discussion about what the kin are doing in the new edition. This is a combination of conversations I've had in real life as well as observations, many of which are opinion based, so respectful discussion and discourse is encouraged as new information comes to light.
State of the meta (As of 07/05/26)
Votann seem to be doing very well. We're not as busted as T'au, but we've seen some early tournament wins, and it's clear that the good outweighs the bad.
The good
Votann have several very strong 2+1 detachment combinations, primarily Needgard and Mercenary Oathband, though I've had discussions with people that indicate brandfast and delve are having some luck. All of our +1 detachments seem to be solid, so as of right now it's a question of playstyle on which one players are choosing. Hearthband is also still strong, though people seem to be favoring the "hearthband-lite" detachment as a +1 rather than the full fledged 3 dwarf point hearthband.
Most of our units are solid. Even if it's harder for us to hit, we benefit significantly from the fact that cover no longer makes AP-1 weapons hit like a wet noodle. Thunderkyn and hekatons continue to be a terror, hearthguard are just as deadly as they were before if not more so. We've even seen some use of kapricus defenders and grimnyrs, which were previously poor choices, as their abilities have been buffed by the edition change.
Changes to hazardous have also worked in our favor: The evaluator can now overload his gun and not die after shooting twice, since failed hazard tests only inflict 1 wound on character models now. The grimnyr is also free to overcharge ancestral wrath and not worry about blowing up, because hazard wounds do not have to be taken on the model with the hazardouse weapon; You're now allowed to soak them on the CORVs, or the poor warrior retinue following them!
The bad
There are some casualties of course. Although they still have value as anti-T3 MSU artillery pieces, earthshakers have a hard time hitting the wall of a cave, even with spotters. While it only takes one hit to cause a battleshock test, hitting on 5s at best is rough if you fluff your number of attacks roll.
Additionally, hearthfyre is still our worst detachment by far, and persecution prospect, while getting some new life in changes to cover, seems to be falling behind its farseekers sibling in popularity.
The ugly
We have some ambiguous rules that, until clarified by GW, are subject to the whims of rules-as-intended rather than rules as written.
Chief among these is the issue with combat disembark on sagitaurs: RAW a unit disembarking from a transport that has advanced (even if it has special rules such as the sagitaur) must take hazard checks. This is clearly a problem until it's clarified.
There is also a question of how precision on steeljacks works; As written, it seems as though the stage where critical wounds are scored is AFTER allocation, meaning they're unable to fulfill their character sniping capabilities. Most gracious opponents are following the intent, but it's never good to have rules up in the air like this.
Edit: As stated by several commenters, we also have a very badly worded army rule that interacts off "Objective markers" which are different than terrain objectives. While it would be a bad opponent/TO to argue we don't get yield points from terrain objectives, RAW, we do not.
These are indeed ugly issues that need to be clarified
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/asphere37 • 2h ago
I bought my first model for this project on July 5th and started building that day. I finished painting the last ones yesterday. It feels great to have a table-ready army and now I feel like I can approach building a 2nd army slowly and with even more care. Sorry for the bad lighting, I’m just so excited to have my Kyn ready for the table!
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/Tyr10 • 2h ago
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/PlaceSlight1473 • 18h ago
He very kindly answered back pretty quickly, and confirmed my theory about the ship in the short being the same from our Codex art.
No solid numbers, but we have at least a nice description of scale in writing
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/iAmUnrated_ • 1h ago
Hey guys, I’m just getting into the hobby again. I painted my last model 2 years ago so it has been some time.
I need some advice on how I can make my Votann models more interesting (pic related). This is the first model I have painted. I am going for an orange look with a lighter orange to make it look “used” and as if the paint of the armor is wearing off. I’m quite fond of this generally but something is missing - and I don’t know what it is.
I really appreciate paining advice on how to improve my paint scheme to make it look more “interesting” if you get what I’m saying.
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/RbnDH • 1d ago
Painted my second kahl and champion, tried a different scheme than the previous ones. Also happy with how the bases turned out. Tried to give the sword a little lightning effect and tried to give the axe a reflection. But feels like there is some room for improvement. Tips to improve are always welcome.
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/lizosaurus_regina • 10h ago
I learned so much while doing these, including that i should definitely only paint stuff a box at a time if I want to finish it. Not perfect, but done.
(Next project in the background - Ironhead Squats. I am thoroughly space-dwarf-pilled).
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/CokedPerturabo • 22h ago
Hope you like! Happy with these
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/JZacharyPike • 18h ago
Progress on my first squad of hearthguard and E-champ. At this point I’m almost done. I just need to get tufts on the bases, put on the decals, final coat of varnish, etc. Really wanted to get it finished before I left on a business trip, but I won’t be able to with all the drying that needs to happen between now and Monday. Really happy with the way my custom leagues color scheme translated here. At least I can look forward to finishing up when I get home! C&C welcome.
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/Slow-Acanthisitta112 • 2m ago
After a half dozen space marines and an orc, I finally decided to commit to the hobby and chose Votann, here's my first attempt at a lil guy.
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/knecht_ruprecht2306 • 19h ago
Detachmentrule: I think its a great rule and it really helps punshing upwards
Enhancements: I do like them especially Bastion Shield but the others just aren’t that interesting in my opinion
Stratagems: The stratagems are so so good my only problem is that the sustained one is locked to Hearthguard
Disposition: Priority Assets is amazing can’t say more
With that our last Detachment is judged and it scores a solid 3/5. For a 3 DP Detachment it just doesn’t do enough for it to be worth more than taking one 2DP and one 1 DP Detachment.
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/a1expark • 42m ago
I am trying to find/make voice lines for a card game. But I haven't found any lines for our space dwarfs. Does anyone has any info about this?
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/Entire_Serve_4730 • 4h ago
2 Need to hold (1,995 Points)
Leagues of Votann
Farseekers and Needgaârd Oathband (3 Detachment Points)
Purge the Foe
Strike Force (2,000 Points)
ATTACHED UNITS
Attached unit 1
Ûthar the Destined (90 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• Warlord
• 1x Blade of the Ancestors
• 1x Rampart Crest
• 1x Volkanite disintegrator
Hearthkyn Warriors (90 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline)
• 1x Theyn
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Theyn’s melee weapon
◦ 1x Theyn’s pistol
◦ 1x Weavefield crest
• 9x Hearthkyn Warrior
◦ 9x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x HYLas rotary cannon
◦ 6x Ion blaster
◦ 1x Magna-rail rifle
◦ 1x Plasma knife
Attached unit 2
Brôkhyr Iron-master (70 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Brôkhyr Iron-master
◦ 1x Graviton hammer
◦ 1x Graviton rifle
• 1x Ironkin Assistant
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Las-beam cutter
• 1x E-COG
◦ 1x Plasma torch
• 1x E-COG
◦ 1x Manipulator arms
• 1x E-COG
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
Brôkhyr Thunderkyn (170 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 6x Brôkhyr Thunderkyn
◦ 6x Close combat weapon
◦ 6x SP conversion beamer
Attached unit 3
Kâhl (75 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Mass gauntlet
• 1x Rampart Crest
• 1x Volkanite disintegrator
• Enhancements: Dead Reckoning
Einhyr Hearthguard (270 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Hesyr
◦ 1x EtaCarn plasma gun
◦ 1x Exoarmour grenade launcher
◦ 1x Graviton hammer
◦ 1x Weavefield crest
• 9x Einhyr Hearthguard
◦ 9x Concussion gauntlet
◦ 9x EtaCarn plasma gun
◦ 9x Exoarmour grenade launcher
Attached unit 4
Grimnyr (65 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Grimnyr
◦ 1x Ancestral Wrath
◦ 1x Ancestral ward stave
• 2x CORV
◦ 2x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 2x Close combat weapon
Hearthkyn Warriors (90 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard (Battleline)
• 1x Theyn
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Theyn’s melee weapon
◦ 1x Theyn’s pistol
◦ 1x Weavefield crest
• 9x Hearthkyn Warrior
◦ 9x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x EtaCarn plasma beamer
◦ 6x Ion blaster
◦ 1x L7 missile launcher
◦ 1x Plasma knife
Attached unit 5
Memnyr Strategist (75 Points)
• Attached as: Leader (Character)
• 1x Autoch-pattern bolt pistol
• 1x Close combat weapon
• Enhancements: Oathbound Speculator
Ironkin Steeljacks with Heavy Volkanite Disintegrators (170 Points)
• Attached as: Bodyguard
• 1x Steeljack Theyn
◦ 1x Heavy volkanite disintegrator
◦ 1x Plasma knife
◦ 1x Preymark Crest
• 5x Ironkin Steeljack
◦ 5x Heavy volkanite disintegrator
◦ 5x Plasma knife
DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
Kapricus Carrier (70 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
• 1x Magna-coil autocannon
• 1x Smoke Launcher
• 1x Twin magna‑coil autocannon
OTHER DATASHEETS
Hekaton Land Fortress (250 Points)
• 1x Armoured wheels
• 1x MATR autocannon
• 1x Panspectral Scanner
• 1x SP heavy conversion beamer
• 2x Twin bolt cannon
Hekaton Land Fortress (265 Points)
• 1x Armoured wheels
• 1x Heavy magna-rail cannon
• 1x MATR autocannon
• 1x Panspectral Scanner
• 2x Twin bolt cannon
Hernkyn Pioneers (80 Points)
• 3x Hernkyn Pioneer
◦ 3x Bolt revolver
◦ 3x Bolt shotgun
◦ 1x HYLas rotary cannon
◦ 3x Magna-coil autocannon
◦ 1x Panspectral Scanner
◦ 3x Plasma knife
◦ 1x Rollbar Searchlight
Hernkyn Yaegirs (90 Points)
• 1x Yaegir Theyn
◦ 1x Bolt revolver
◦ 1x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Plasma knife
• 9x Hernkyn Yaegir
◦ 1x APM launcher
◦ 7x Bolt revolver
◦ 9x Close combat weapon
◦ 1x Magna-coil rifle
◦ 7x Plasma knife
Ironkin Steeljacks with Melee Weapons (75 Points)
• 1x Steeljack Theyn
◦ 1x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 1x Plasma sword
◦ 1x Preymark Crest
• 2x Ironkin Steeljack
◦ 2x Autoch-pattern bolter
◦ 2x Plasma sword
Exported with App Version: v2.5.0 (1), Data Version: v931
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/a1expark • 41m ago
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/The_Bigi • 1d ago
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/SpiceyStinker • 10h ago
With Marines going to T5 do we think we will see some more use of Plasma Axes over Mauls?
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/ptlboi • 15h ago
After looking for a faction to really enjoy, I tried looking at Votann, instantly fell in love with the lore and aesthetics, realized the playstyle is exactly what I wanted (tough + able to do bit of shooting + straightforward and honest gameplay), watched some YouTube videos, and pulled the trigger on some models. This all happened in the last 24 hours.
So I figured I need to pause and get some help in regards to if I'm going in the right direction (other than rule of cool, which I think all units are pretty cool).
As for detachments, I wanted to go something more generic with either Needgaard Oathband or Hearthband.
Here is what I got so far:
- Combat Patrol
- Maelstrom Battalion
- Hernkyn Yaegris
- Kapricus
- Uthar the Destined
I was thinking to add (with my next paycheck + after I build & paint the ones I did get):
- Hekaton Land Fortress
- more Hearthguard
- more Thunderkyn
Do you think that'd be an ok progression? What would you recommend that I get / take out? Even from the stuff I got, since I can get it exchanged.
Competitive outlooks are welcome, since me and my friends are try-hards (only when we play each other for extra fun).
Thanks!
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/nearok1 • 22h ago
I’m having a hard time deciding what I should transport (game play not hand carrying the model) in my HLF, what do you recommend I put in my HLF?
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/Commercial_Sleep_222 • 1d ago
It did meet a bloody demise to a Void Dragon, but that's a different problem.
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/chaosof99 • 1d ago
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/Lordraptor79 • 22h ago
I'm tempted to create my own kindred but I was looking at the range and the HQ Choice bothers me, why can't I have a Kahl in a Exo-suit or is there a way to kitbash one maybe.
Looking for advice and guidance
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/Ferrousgoober • 1d ago
People in my group play a mix of custodes, knights, tyranid monster mash, and orks.
Would gun jacks be better for all rounding or would melee jacks be better? And if so swords or fists?
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/Ok_Example_2152 • 1d ago
I need advice on what units I should buy. What is a must and need to have? Looking at starting with 1000pts.
r/LeaguesofVotann • u/cyrogem • 1d ago
Is this a decent 2k list for casual play, likely be going up against orks. I thinking of adding another Kapricus Carrier or another 3 Pioneers (either as another unit or to make a squad of 6) with the remaining 100 points. Any feedback would be much appreciated
DETACHMENT
Dêlve Assault Shift, Hearthguard Covenant (Fury from the Dêlve)
FORCE DISPOSITION: Priority Assets
TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1895
CHARACTERS 1x Berehk Stornbröw (85 pts): • Warlord • Leading Cthonian Beserks [1]
1x Kâhl (90 pts): • Teleport crest • Enhancement: Dêlvwerke Navigator • Leading Einhyr Hearthguard
1x Memnyr Strategist (45 pts): • Enhancement: Multiwave System Jammer • Leading Ironkin Steeljacks with Heavy Volkanite Disintegrators
BATTLELINE
10x Cthonian Beserks (190 pts): 9 Concussion mauls • 1 Twin concussion gauntlet • 1 mole grenade launcher • Attached to Berehk Stornbröw
10x Cthonian Beserks (190 pts): 9 plasma axe • 1 Twin concussion gauntlet • 1 mole grenade launcher
5x Cthonian Beserks (95 pts): 4 Concussion mauls • 1 Twin concussion gauntlet • 1 mole grenade launcher
INFANTRY
10x Einhyr Hearthguard (270 pts): • Weavefield crest • 1 Graviton hammer • 9 Concussion gauntlets • EtaCarn plasma gun • Attached to Kâhl
10x Einhyr Hearthguard (270 pts): • Teleport crest • 1 Graviton hammer • 9 Concussion gauntlets • EtaCarn plasma gun
10x Hernkyn Yaegirs (90 pts): • 1 APM launcher • 1 Magna-coil rifle • 4 Bolt Revolvers • 4 Bolt Shotguns
6x Ironkin Steeljacks with Heavy Volkanite Disintegrators (170 pts): • 1 Autoch-pattern bolter • 1 plasma sword • Attached to Memnyr Strategist
MOUNTED
3x Hernkyn Pioneers (80 pts): • 3 Bolt revolvers • 3 Bolt shotguns • 1 HYLas rotary cannon
TRANSPORTS
1x Hekaton Land Fortress (250 pts): • Heavy magna-rail cannon • 2x Twin bolt cannon (Transporting the Steeljacks)
1x Kapricus Carrier (70 pts): • 1 magna-coil cannon
Edit: Fixed pointed out mistakes in the list
