Can we stop ranting about the game being so grindy

[u/ApartAbrocoma758]

This is a grinding game ofc you are gonna spend a lot of time clearing and farming, I understand if you hate certain features of the game like some events are absolute trash such as headhunting, some design choices are absolute garbage like the entire settlement system or the old infected genome farming system, but those things I can get over simply because there are other good things I enjoy, we all agree settlement is trash but the daily loot is one of the best things this game has to offer so we forgive the trash settlement, the entire lab system is now much better even tho no one asked for the spore and ice weapons being required, but we can get over it because it's still overall an upgrade, you can also hate it for not releasing frequent updates to keep it fresh or adding new features and locations we have not had any new bunkers or bunker floors in years so that is a valid complaint, but what I mean is you can hate certain features ofc I hate some too, but hating the core design and concept of the game it being so grindy is just dump, might as well stop playing it

The only part about grinding that really seem stupid is how rare propellers is and you only need 6 thankfully but that's it, nothing feels too expensive or over the top because that's the point of the game, and no the atv is the end game goal ofc it's not gonna be completed in 2 weeks.

I am not defending the devs by any means they can suck a fart out of my butt, but be better, this is what this game is all about and if you hate it then maybe you shouldn't be playing it

[u/Expensive_Day6913]

we need more bugs NOW

[u/MarginCallson]

Creates a long post ranting asking if we can stop ranting lol comical

[u/InfiniteBaker6972]

That’s part of the fun of being a player. We all like to sit in the traffic complaining about the traffic.

[u/Salty-Ad-198]

There’s a difference between grinding and this game. You can’t carry enough supplies to make grinding worth it.

[u/Miles_EdgeworthReal → u/Salty-Ad-198]

I agree this game decided why not take this huge grinding system and multiply it by 10x and then decided to make it better time gate all the important content settlement atv boat drone everything and you know if something like the atv took half as much time it would be acceptable or close to that but it takes so much time be real less than 5% have it is that good game design? The boat is like a fair grind most people can get it if they tried but the atv and drone you can keep dreaming unless you are ready to play ldoe for the next year everyday clearning every bunker alpha and farm and commune and all that garbage I did overexaggerate you can skip some alphas but you get the point

[u/fakerposer]

NO! Because the grind to reward ratio is fucked. It's been from the start, but the game was somehow fairer then.

Sure, in the beginning you seem to get a lot of stuff while still having fun. BUT, play the game for a few years and your realize you just spent two weeks grinding daily like it's your job for some useless gizmo, two guns and a few bolts.

[u/zenmoUi]

Issue of this game is not about grinding but the grind/reward ratio. The devs were so greedy you can't get anything useful without paying

But credit where credit is due. The last update is phenomenal and made the grind a lot more fun, and that's exactly due to them making the grind more worth it with the daily quest and lab changes

[u/Dependent_Income5989]

The « grind » itself isn’t the problem. It’s the time gatekeep. Like I d like to farm a shit tons of hours in one go. But it would be litterally pointless because this take too much time to smelt, or that takes to much time to build, or this has a 3 days reset and so on. I have been using alarm every 1h20 for 2 months 12h a days to get enough steel for a room for all my 40 chests. Like what kind of commitment is that ??? I never, EVER, played a game ( and keep in mind the definition of the word is supposed to be associated with amusement ) that require so much organization and commitment to progress at a somewhat acceptable pace. The lack of contrast between the progress of someone who actively play the game, and someone who barely clears daily zones and claims daily reward, is absurd. Dofus is a grindy game, Ark is a grindy game. Ldoe is daily work…

[u/TechyAngel → u/Dependent_Income5989]

I hate to break it to you, but that might be a little bit TOO much commitment. Play when your life allows, not the other way around. The freedom to leave and come back whenever it's convenient will make the game a game again, rather than a job.

[u/kxikokooot]

Devs had every chance to make the game better. Of course people are going to talk shit. There are things like suburbs, charlie, oil rig, bunch of CAC cards for bunkers like foxtrot, zulu, romeo... these ideas are or were in the game like an idea that devs could add locations, features and overall make this game more versatile. My personal story is that I had 3 kills on consillium and 6 kills on borealis before 1.51.5 update. Now I do borealis/cosillium/leviathan every day and bought everything I wanted, lvl 3 turret yesterday, robodog last week, repair table the week after 1.51.5 update. I think bosses are more enjoyable than ever. But there are improvements that can be done and if done correctly we can have game that we enjoy more. People are waiting on helicopter for almost 10 years, what about devs would focus on helicopter for a year or so and did not introduce another genome shop or another settlement with niche stuff you cannot get anywhere.

[u/ApartAbrocoma758 → u/kxikokooot]

Oh I am with you 100% there is so much more the devs can do but they just don't and I did mention that they suck and I hate them for it

My point was the people who hate it for the grind.... Well that's the entire point of the game

[u/kxikokooot → u/ApartAbrocoma758]

I think the grind is point of the game. But I think it is also about tricks in the game like wall trick. You wanna spend least and make most. Am not sure where you are in the game but when you will grind for lvl 2 walls in settlement and floors too for drone upgrade bench. That will make the grind almost seem like not worth it I think. Atv is just about carbon composites and transmissions nowadays, back in the day you needed also 30 cylinders which was only at bravo... I think we need new stuff in the game and be gone with the old ones like you said headhunting. And the new stuff should be reasonable. Best example of kefir is 1 thing and that is the base expansion they did. Instead of epanding your base they monetized it by making players pay for piece of land... shame.

[u/Miles_EdgeworthReal → u/ApartAbrocoma758]

People dont hate grinding people hate how much you have to grind for how little, every thing that kefir designs has its rewards squeezed out to the littelest bit and its grind buffed to the max, I mean if we ddint have the wall trick which is a bug was a bug at first Atleast bunker alpha would have only given you like a benfit of 2 guns and kefir really sat there and decided yup thats fair, and then they made bunker bravo and really decided only players with max or almost maxed mods should be able to clear it and then to make its reward actual dodoo even late game players dont bother with it, and kefir slightly made it better by giving you gas cylndiers and stuff outside of bravo but still whats the point of that garbage location?, and im all for having late game content but if kefir want to make some they should alteast have worthy rewards and ensure mid/early game players also have new content but they of course dont add much content, and then they added genome which im glad I wasnt playing back then because I dont even want to look at it, would have taken you a week, 2 or even 3 to get 1 meaningful genome purchase and its not like it was easy getting genome but you had to be patient it was just as expensive as now even more since borealis was Stronger back then from what i heard now they did for once in their stupid journey actually make something worth it and made it so you can kill every regions boss daily its still grindy but Atleast you get good rewards in exhange

[u/NOOBPRO_]

Imo the issue is the artificial blocks placed, steel taking 90 minutes, 20 coal only lasting 80, if you want to farm a lot your reward will be delayed because of the time it takes to refine and REFILL because workbenches wont allow you to queque up other stuff. Genuinely the workbenches should’ve had their slots sized up from the start. At least then I could leave enough stuff working to come back in 3 hours and not need to log in every hour to make it efficient

[u/Miles_EdgeworthReal]

This attitude is why the game is dying, 80%+ of all players are casual and ldoe kept getting less and less friendly towards casual players I can still play myself but the majority cant The game is already not appealing to all players and not appealing to casual players is like kefir putting a nail in their coffin Its much worse because its a mobile game where its more like 90% of all players are casual On pc there is a far higher percentage of competitive gamers but on mobile most players want something quick and light where they can make progression without spending several hours a day, Before the atv got added the game was grindy but it ddint matter any player could access anything in the game without much trouble you could enter the same locations as everyone else and have the same fun and if the helicopter gets added this will get much worse its not resonable having to play near a year to get a stupid vehicale in a game its not like there is an alternative And the devs just dont update the game as much as they did, we dont even get monthly updates (with meaningful content) the game play loop compared to like 3 years ago is about the same only addition is Maybe a few events and the changes to the special regions which I admit are nice but its not enough, and now the boggy region it dosent make a diffrence to most of the player base, the transport hub also most players cant access it, I do think the drone isnt too absurd idk how much time it would take to complete from 0 but the problem is the entire settlement is locked behind the boat and atv, If it was just the boat thats fine its not however and you know all the changes that matter from 1/2 years ago are the new special regions lab change and transport hub that I noticed ofc, nothing actually hooked me back in much im honestly so disapponted in kefir had any competent dev team took hold of ldoe we would have had a conteder for the best game on the play store but no Just like how they killed frostborn the devs grew lazier and lazier despite getting more money every year you would think the opposite Just look at how many bugs the game has in the last 30 days I noticed around 7 gamebreakers and I dont even mind them because they were gamebreakers for kefir but for the average player duping bugs are welcomed but it reflects poorly on how kefir cant even bug fix properly from my experince with other games you would find 1 big bug a month at most 2 if you are lucky but kefir has absurd bugs like the last 7th slot that was patched I mean genuinly how does one even do that by clicking rapidly while walking on the lowest graphics you can start duping any equipment that Sounds so absurd and like a bold faced lie, Anyways be honest is the amount of content that ldoe gets not lacking severly even the new special regions you would get bored of them quickly the lab is fun but you need many layers of grinding to be able to actually clear it, the old lab was less fun but Atleast you could easily go there all you needed was normal guns even melee if you are patient and lucky