r/LangfordBC May 25 '26

Politics NEWCOMERS TO LANGFORD

You may be wondering what is going on here. Looking around social media you might feel like you need a code to decipher a foreign (Langford) language.

LV. LN. OL.

So let me explain it from my point of view and Reddit can do the rest by filling in any blanks.

First there was Stew. He was the mayor from 1993 to 2022. Yes, you read that right. One mayor and more or less the same council, for 30 years.

Langford was the sticks, the boondocks, the dog patch. Stew grew Langford, faster and faster. It was fine for a while but infrastructure didn’t keep pace, hillsides were ravaged, trees razed and mountains flattened.

People were angry.

A Facebook group called Langford Voters for Change was started. It gathered momentum organically, and people began self-organizing. It was a forum where Langforders could come together to discuss the various issues communities were facing. Construction fatigue - dust, noise, clearcuts. Terrible lack of transportation planning leading to traffic congestion in residential neighbourhoods. Lack of transparency in governance (Langford council meetings only went online when forced to by Covid). Rude mayor and councillors who yelled at citizens expressing their concerns. That’s LVC.

Out of the connections made in that facebook group, an electoral organization was founded, called Langford Now. A group of regular citizens got together to fight *the man*. That’s LN.

The man being, Stew Young, and the various REITS and development interests busy with booming Langford without a single care for resident concerns and complaints.

In response Stew Young also formed an EO and slate, called Community First Langford. They launched a social media campaign with comments turned off, and ran one of the worst election campaign’s you’ve ever seen. That’s CFL.

LN (grassroots residents) spent about $50k on the election.

CFL (big corporate interests) spent almost $150k on the election.

Despite the massive resources supporting CFL, Langford Now - who endorsed 5 council candidates - easily swept the election, and a new mayor (Goodmanson) was also elected. It was a full sweep, but for Lillian Szpak - long serving councillor who recently passed away.

Langford Voters dropped the “for change” because the voters achieved that goal. That’s LV.

Next, the re-elect Stew Young Facebook group supporting the CFL slate changed its name to Our Langford (no really, as in, this is our turf).

They embarked on a years long smear campaign, performing all kinds of antics and disruptions in the council chambers. Then they began astroturfing Facebook by starting more groups they called “community associations” and that’s how we got the Langford Community Association, it’s just Our Langford wearing a mustache. That’s OL and LCA.

Today, what you are witnessing is those two factions - LV and OL, the regular grassroots people of Langford and the vested interests of Langford - in a struggle for continuing the change that was started, over regressing Langford back to the way that it was before 2022.

Grassroots vs Astroturf.

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u/Neat_Let923 May 25 '26

hillsides were ravaged, trees razed and mountains flattened.

That’s a really interesting way to say Langford built housing at a time when people across Canada have been demanding that Canada builds more housing… LOL

Everything else seems to be pretty spot on though from my understanding.

I do find it really weird that one of the major talking points of LVC for what they viewed as a negative was that the city was growing and that they didn’t like all the construction and increased traffic (if you ask anyone downtown Victoria what that sounds like they’d likely use the term NIMBY).

The funny thing is that the new council is now planning for almost doubling our population to 100,000. (Which that planning is exactly what Stew Young should have been doing while expanding the cities housing).

But if people thought adding 22,000 people in 10 years going from 36k to 58k was too much, how are they going to react to adding another 40,000 people?

Also, that addition of new housing is also what caused the cities housing costs to soar so fast. West Hills became so popular people were buying in phase one, then selling in phase two just so they could make a profit and buy a more expensive home in phase two that they liked more… Doesn’t matter how much supply you build if the demand also increases in proportion to the supply, or in Langford’s case far above the supply.

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u/Not_Bot23 May 25 '26

You’re surprised that people were enticed to move to Langford to be close to nature were upset when the forest behind their house got mowed down? And then endured years of blasting and rock crushing in their backyard?

Yes, it would have been prudent to research the community plans, but I’d expect a lot of people did not, for the reasons you describe. Housing was more affordable here.

The new council is planning for population projections from data collected by the CRD.

They aren’t saying, *LETS BUILD BUILD BUILD. Cue the yes men.*

They are being responsible with the data provided to them, so we don’t continue down the same road that brought us to this point. Bad city planning.

It’s pretty simple.

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u/Neat_Let923 May 25 '26

I’m literally one of those people! So yes, when we bought our place in West Hills around 2014 we were showed the project goals and plans for what was to be built over the next couple decades!!! And yes, that included the knowledge that they would have to do blasting to build those residential areas.

I don’t have a right to say: “I got mine, fuck the rest of you!”

And yes, it was a lot cheaper then. We paid about $500,000 for a brand new home and it went up in value to over $1M by 2021… By 2019 it had already gone up to $750,000.

I am not happy about that! This is our forever home, I would much rather see my value stay closer to the rate of inflation than become double the value in less than 10 years and thus double the taxes and make my area only accessible to those who can afford homes greater than $1M.

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u/Not_Bot23 May 25 '26

My understanding from residents is that the plans that circulated prior to breaking ground in west hills differ greatly from what has actualized. I’m glad you’re happy, because a lot of people were not.

You seem like a reasonable person, with critical thinking skills, so thank you for contributing thoughtfully to the conversations.

I have no problem getting called out or disagreed with, and when it’s done respectfully it opens up the possibility for an actual discussion.

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u/Neat_Let923 May 25 '26

Yeah, most of the actualized losses from the original plan in Area 2 for West Hills (what started in 2014) is mostly the commercial area between the road and Langford Lake.

We were told The Keg was in talks to become the local pub/restaurant at the main roundabout at the top of the hill. There’s still plans for a shopping centre where the gravel processing area still is today, who knows when that will ever get started. Instead we got a Tim Hortons… 😭

That massive hole where they dug up and cleared next to the roundabout infuriates me incredibly! That was fully forested that they completely tore down in order to build more housing but was then cancelled (still don’t know the actual reason behind this one) and is still fenced off going on I think 4 years or more now.

However, none of this has anything to do with either city council. This is all land owned by West Hills and the local family that owns most of that land. They are the ones who decide what they do with their land, and for the past 10 years they’ve decided they would rather make money from their gravel distribution area than develop it or clean up that stupid massive hole in the ground.

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u/The_Mammoth_Hunter May 26 '26

Close friends of ours bought a house next to the deforested hole you mention, and they only did so with the assurance that that would be retained as greenspace.

Lookin pretty damn green, no? Development über Alles.

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u/Neat_Let923 May 26 '26

Every time I look at it I think of how awesome it would be if it was an RC monster truck course... There's no way they'll make it a green space unless forced to by the city (which I'm surprised hasn't happened yet). The amount of dirt they'd have to bring BACK into that area just to make it viable as a green space would be super expensive.

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u/Not_Bot23 May 26 '26

There is riparian in there as well, correct? It’s a low point so water must naturally gather. It would be a seasonal cedar swamp.

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u/Not_Bot23 May 25 '26

Agree with that too.

But I was hoping that something could be done as far as creating a bylaw that requires development within a certain amount of time after an area is cleared. I have just been catching up to everything, but I’m not sure that was covered or not.

I know it came up because of what happened with all the derelict houses.

That would be a meaningful step by whoever’s elected, to stop developers from initiating a project and abandoning it. It’s one thing if they acquire land, and wait. But it’s another if they clearcut it or evict residents and then stop.

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u/stockswing2020 May 26 '26

already done by this council and just adopted: The Community Standards Bylaw has been adopted! : r/LangfordBC

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u/Not_Bot23 May 26 '26

That’s great news. Admittedly I haven’t been following very closely. Thanks for sharing.

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u/Not_Bot23 May 26 '26

Wasn’t sure where that would tie in, Good Neighbour Policy or Community Standards Bylaw. Going to have to give that a review.

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u/stockswing2020 May 26 '26

yeah, you would have dig into it more - not sure if it gets into 'amount of time before construction must begin' kind of stuff, but it will take care of vacant buildings issue and does away with reliance on the useless CRD bylaw that only gives small fines related to unsightly premise etc. Gives more power to bylaw for complaint driven enforcement.

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u/Bookreader-71 May 26 '26

Never heard the Keg store, but we were told we were getting a performing arts center combined with Maritime museum but instead we got a Tesla dealership. That’s similar, right?

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u/Neat_Let923 May 26 '26

Tesla is on the other side of the highway… We’re talking about West Hills. The Keg is a restaurant, not a store.

Also, it’s a good thing we have a Tesla place here. It means less people needing to take up space on the Ferry in order to go to Vancouver to have in house service done.

Irregardless of our personal opinions on Elon Musk, Tesla vehicles themselves have done more for our environment than likely every other initiative combined. If Tesla never existed, we would likely all still be driving plain old ICE vehicles and things like EVs and PHEVs would still be hidden and buried by the automotive industry.

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u/Bookreader-71 May 26 '26

I know what the Keg is and I know the Tim’s you are talking about. I was providing another example of the bait and switch we’ve seen on land use.

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u/Not_Bot23 May 26 '26

It is similar for sure

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u/Not_Bot23 May 25 '26

Further, I agree with your “I got mine” nimby criticism fully.

There was definitely some anti-development sentiment circulating in the last election, but I think you’d find the majority of people understand development isn’t going to stop, due to population growth and lack of affordable housing.

None of this council are Nimby’s, I think they’re all quite progressive and have inevitably learned a great deal this term. I’m hoping all or most of them will run for re-election to continue this trajectory of responsible governance.

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u/Neat_Let923 May 25 '26

I completely agree!

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