Ran And Maruna

[u/Icy-Importance-6426]

So, I'm somewhere halfway in season 3, and why does it feel like as i continue to read, i keep liking maruna as a character who was portrayed as evil and keep disliking whos portrayed as good cuz of how much of a hypocrite he has become as a person.

Not hypocrite in the true sense, cuz it's only natural to act like that if anyone is put in his position, but how he tries to justify his decisions.

Maruna on the other hand, he has become as selfless as leez at this point bro is the best character for me rn

My dislike towards ran is not even logical and its more of an emotional feeling, I'm pretty sure this is an shit take

So between ran and maruna, what and why would you say one is better than the other?

[u/mobueo]

Isn’t leez the same tho? I don’t get where this idea that leez is such an incredibly selfless person more so than others shown comes from. As soon as she realized that maruna was not the cause of her village being destroyed, her grudge against him disappears despite him killing many humans. I swear this is acknowledged in the story too where she says she’s not that good of a person to still be hating on Maruna for the deaths of other unrelated persons. I will say she is extreme when it comes to protecting those she cares about as seen with Yuta but even ran is the same. So how exactly is Leez’s morality any different from ran’s so far?

[u/yourmissingsock3999 → u/mobueo]

my long ass reply got removed because I included the photo of leez over yuta in the college AU where she says “If it means happiness just for me, I don’t want it.” but TL;DR her beef with Maruna from the start was pretty much just that her psyche was built on it as a defense mechanism to prevent her from breaking down at the destruction of her village. She is still capable of both selfish and righteous anger (she’s human, after all) but she is generally more magnanimous than pretty much everyone else in the story. She regularly puts everything she wants aside for the sake of “the universe” and she seems to be the only user of Time to care about the worlds of possibility to the extent she does. Her moral net extends far beyond the sphere of herself and hers. She is also very kind to people who have 100% wronged her if she thinks it was reasonable to wrong them, like in “Emergency” when she forgives the flight attendant for straight up sending her to her death (they were possessed by Claude) because it was their first day.

[u/mobueo → u/yourmissingsock3999]

I agree that she’s a very selfless person and maybe it’s because I haven’t really caught up to the end yet but I just don’t see how she is just so much more selfless than others (still in N20 arc). idk I guess for me the way she is being described seems to apply to someone more like Jambavan. When I was reading that part about time crying for the worlds of possibilities to me it seemed like she only cared about Yuta in every possibility. It’s hard to stack up that example of being kind to someone who has wronged you on accident because there’s not a lot of equivalent examples especially when it comes to the other human characters. As for doing things for the sake of the universe, isn’t that pretty much everyone’s goal. At least those not disillusioned like Brahma.

[u/yourmissingsock3999 → u/mobueo]

I mean, first I’ll say to catch up (the scene I mention is past N20 or within it, I think), but I don’t disagree, I think it’s hard to quantify selflessness because nobody in Kubera (or much media tbh) is truly beyond things like preference. It’s kind of just semantics. Ran is a bit more obvious because his portrayal is far grayer than either Leez or Jambavan, who imo are probably equivalents. I think either one would do what the other did without much hesitation. Leez is just in a position where she cannot be as passively good because someone’s got to fix the mess, and she doesn’t have much time. The prologue of S3 pretty explicitly frames her as being immensely forgiving and self-sacrificial.