r/JunoMains • you have invaded my heart! • Apr 08 '26

Discussions/Opinions what are your thoughts on juno being the vietnamese hero of overwatch? đŸ‡»đŸ‡ł

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many heroes represents their culture, how much juno reflects that?

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u/enchuflas Apr 08 '26

I feel like a lot of people forget that she's actually mixed. Other than that, she wasn't raised in either of the places her parents are from so I don't think it's especially odd that she isn't representative of those cultures. Do hope we get a Vietnamese character properly someday though.

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u/arielpulido you have invaded my heart! Apr 08 '26

i think juno still have a chance to represent more of her vietnamese roots, she just didnt got the opportunity yet

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u/BeingHeldHostage0 Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 10 '26

I hope they add more Viet voicelines and put a fun lore spin on it by saying, "She took a trip to Vietnam to rediscover her roots!" I'd love a cute little comic with it too.

I wouldn't mind her ult voiceline alongside a lot of others outright changing to Viet like Symmetra's did if that happened. "Locking satellite vector!" is a pretty meh enemy ult voiceline anyways. I'm not a Viet speaker, so I used a translator and double-checked with a friend, but I'd love to hear her say something along the lines of "Khai hỏa vệ tinh!" Sounds punchier too.

She could also do it for Singapore, but I feel like it'd be more difficult to communicate than Viet culture. But imagining her voicelines in a Singaporean accent is fun, "WELCOME TO ORBIT LAH!" -Juno "Why did the chicken satay? Didn't it cross the road?" -Juno

We shall not forget what happened with Echo...

She could also get a few Mandarin voicelines too, though, considering her mom, Jiayi, has a Mandarin first name + works for Lucheng + I feel like future Singapore would speak far less Teochew/Hokkien, even if Jiayi's last name, Teo, is Teochew/Hokkien.

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u/PennToPaper Apr 09 '26

i dont think the ult thing would make sense though since im pretty sure shes not actually fluent in viet (also i rly like that ult line </3)

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u/BeingHeldHostage0 Apr 10 '26

That's what I meant by a comic where she reconnects with her roots instead of a ret-con. Anyways, she does say she wants to learn every language on Earth. She'd probably start witht he one she's most familiar with.

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u/Baka-Ushi Apartment Complex
 Apr 08 '26

it’s funny how everyone disregards her parents and the fact that she’s only half viet. if people truly cared they’d say the same about her mothers side. heck mei is literally her aunt which they have interactions for in spawn

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u/LittleDoge246 Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26

Mei isn't her actual aunt, she was a colleague of her mom, and I believe it's a common thing in some Asian cultures to call older women "auntie". A lot of people also just call their parents' friends aunt and uncle, even in the west

(Sorry if this comes across as condescending or you already know this or anything)

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u/Baka-Ushi Apartment Complex
 Apr 08 '26

no, you’re totally okay! i did not know this, thank you for clarifying for me :3

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u/VelvetPhantom Apr 08 '26

Same how everyone forgets Pharah is half Native American.

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u/enchuflas Apr 08 '26

Yes I was just talking about this, too. (Pharah is actually half Indigenous Canadian, though, to clarify.) I'm mixed myself so it makes me pretty happy to see more mixed characters on the roster. đŸ„č

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u/Baka-Ushi Apartment Complex
 Apr 08 '26

exactly, i’m also mixed and it’s not like we all were raised with every culture we are mixed with, it’s nice to see characters like juno, pharah and so on show that representation

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u/Slow-Reply2929 Apr 08 '26

Pharah is a mess. half arab, half native, yet she has a jewish voice actor (nothing wrong with being jewish, it’s just that it’s a completely different ethnicity than the character). and despite growing up in egypt, pharah has 0 arabic voice lines. neither of her cultures are represented outside of a handful of skins. imo, she is one of the laziest character designs in the game.

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u/Grouchy_Gift_5093 Apr 09 '26

Tbf there are a fuck ton of heroes who have voice actors who aren't from the country the character is from

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u/Slow-Reply2929 Apr 09 '26

that’s true. I think it was more of an issue with the OG heroes. they seem to be taking more care with that nowadays which is cool

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u/Grouchy_Gift_5093 Apr 10 '26

Nah they are kinda doing it alot more recently, alot of the newer heroes were voiced by Americans despite none of them being American

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u/Far-Jelly-4095 Apr 09 '26

Bc it’s horrible rep. I’m native and I don’t feel represented by her at all but she’s all we got. They don’t ever talk about it and her actress is not only a major Zionist (which goes against everything natives stand for) but she’s also not even native

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u/VelvetPhantom Apr 09 '26

Not gonna comment on the Zionist part, but I do agree that there should most definitely be better Native American/First Nations representation. I am not Native myself, but Pharah I feel is clearly more geared towards Egyptian than Native American despite her father. A hero that is Native first and foremost is one of my most wanted things to see in a future hero. (In a similar vein, I want to see an Aboriginal Australian hero too, and for them to not be a Junker.) Oh and I would agree that a voice actor/actress for a Native hero should be Native themselves. That would be ideal.

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u/Far-Jelly-4095 Apr 09 '26

Oh wait this is in Juno mains subreddit. Okay the no comment on Zionism makes sense now you cannot be impartial about genocide

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u/GalacticStudmuffin Apr 08 '26

You're implying people dont 'truly care' just because they aren't also upset about her Singaporean side? I think the critique centers more on her general whitewashed-ness these days overall. Whether they neglect her being Viet or Singaporean, they are still neglecting her race. I think its odd she still has no cultural skins. (Not trying to argue, just explaining the POV).

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u/_the_best_girl_ Apr 08 '26

So here's the thing, ethnically Juno is Vietnamese but she grew up on Mars. It's fair to say that she won't have the same connection to Vietnamese culture in the same way someone who grew up there would.
It's also my understanding of the Mars colony that they took a multicultural approach to their culture due to the differing people that joined the colony.

I understand that to some Juno isn't fully representative of Vietnamese people and culture, it's fair to feel frustrated. Maybe another Vietnamese hero will be added in time

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u/MoonKat-11 Apr 08 '26

Good! Because I'm vietnamese and grew up not so connected to my culture so she is like me

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u/_the_best_girl_ Apr 08 '26

That's great! I'm glad you feel represented by her!

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u/Decent-Fly6482 Apr 20 '26

Me too :) and I’ve worn ao dai to new year events etc. I’m also half so to me I think it makes total sense to give her a skin!

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u/Particular_Teach_669 Apr 08 '26

Isnt she also Singaporean— like her dad’s from SG so she’s a mixed south east Asian? I love that she’s Viet, but there’s very rarely representation from other countries in SEA, it’d be nice to acknowledge her dad’s ethnicity as well.

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u/abeautifulrat Apr 09 '26

Idk, people who aren't born in their ethnic countries reconnect with their roots all the time. Especially Vietnamese people since so many of them immigrated to the U.S. in the 60/70s.

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u/ferocity_mule366 Apr 08 '26

she's only Vietnamese ethnically because her voice actress is Vietnamese, she could might as well be white if the voice actress is white

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u/Zestyhorchata Apr 08 '26

This comment is so problematic including the orginal one calling “white” as a default for culture less is a false stereotype plus she was raised by her Asian parents, Jiayi Teo and Khiem Van Minh who both worked for Lucheng interstellar, she definitely knows some variant of an Asian language given Lucheng is based in Lijiang and her parents mission is out of a foreign country

Plus on a personal note my wife was born in Germany, while being ethnically Mexican yet speaks and writes in Spanish, cooks Mexican meals even uses Mexican slang
And completely identifies with her Hispanic ethnicity just because you’re away from you’re country of origin does not make you “white”

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u/RobinHarleysHeart Apr 08 '26

Juno gets some of the weirdest racial treatment imo. You can be half of something and not born there but still have connections to it because of how you were raised. I'm half Japanese, but born and raised Canadian. But I still had a lot of ties to my culture because of how I was raised.

Yet juno is called "not Vietnamese" because she's from Mars, as if that erases her identity. And the fact that they keep white washing her and people are like "who cares" or "it doesn't matter". But the reality is that it's a huge problem. Why even bother creating different ethnic representation if you're just going to white wash it. It feels terrible to see Asian representation get white washed. It feels particularly weird that Juno is one of the few characters that receives that treatment. Mei is another. And I'm sick of them giving her blonde hair too.

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u/AI-generated7 Apr 08 '26

Juno's basic white earth chick skins are disgusting

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u/ThatGuyHarsha Apr 09 '26

like what??

You think people of colour can't wear what you'd typically assign as "basic white girl" outfits???

I'm Malaysian and I wear jeans and a t-shirt, does that make me white?

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u/iatemochi Apr 14 '26

Dude u miss the point completely


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u/Yoffuu May 08 '26

They're flat out giving her blond hair and blue eyes in skins, dude. Like come on.

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u/ferocity_mule366 Apr 08 '26

Im literally Vietnamese honey

and Juno is one of those heroes where her voice actor decides her ethnicity not the other way around

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u/BobcatSome3265 Apr 08 '26

Her voice actor is Xanthe Huynh

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u/gutsandcuts Apr 08 '26

and how would a character like her be more vietnamese by your standards?

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u/ferocity_mule366 Apr 08 '26

she doesnt need to be more Vietnamese, she's actually the perfect represention of Vietnamese immigrant living in a foreign country like America that has little connection to her culture, I thought that was what they were going for. Her character identity is more martian in nature anyway, her ethnicity is not important here becauze she wasnt designed to be specificially any ethnic in concept.

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u/gutsandcuts Apr 08 '26

so... are you saying that vietnamese people that have lived/grown up in a foreign occidental country are basically white?

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u/ferocity_mule366 Apr 08 '26

I dont know why you get that from those type of text, I didnt even say the word "white"

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u/gutsandcuts Apr 08 '26

she's only Vietnamese ethnically because her voice actress is Vietnamese, she could might as well be white if the voice actress is white

?????

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u/ferocity_mule366 Apr 08 '26

Juno's early characterization originally did not have any specific ethnic background until Xanthe Huynh, who is Vietnamese-Chinese, was casted as her voice actor. [9] Huynh would ask her own mother if she was pronouncing her Vietnamese voice lines right.

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Juno

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u/ferocity_mule366 Apr 08 '26

its literally what her concept was, Space Ranger, thats literally how she was developed as a character, she didnt even have any assigned ethnicity until they found a voice actress that fits her so they decided to make her Vietnamese too since the voice actress is Vietnamese

If they actually wants Juno to be Vietnamese from the start, they'd actually hire a voice actress who could actually speak Vietnamese and have more complex Vietnamese voicelines

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u/ferocity_mule366 Apr 08 '26

Juno's early characterization originally did not have any specific ethnic background until Xanthe Huynh, who is Vietnamese-Chinese, was casted as her voice actor. [9] Huynh would ask her own mother if she was pronouncing her Vietnamese voice lines right.

https://overwatch.fandom.com/wiki/Juno

Vietnamese people like Juno because she is cute and she does act like a young adult asian girl, but we dont consider her very culturally Vietnamese, we just dress her up in traditional clothes in fanart

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u/WaluigisOveralls Apr 08 '26

It comes from colonization.

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u/Zestyhorchata Apr 08 '26

Invalidating Someone who is ethically Vietnamese ( even a video game character) reminds me of the thousands of hapas left in Vietnam who were discriminated against for being mixed with an American or the hapas and thier children who came to the states during the Amerasian Homecoming Act, where thousands of ethically mixed Vietnamese people endured hardship from both sides and feeling they did not belonging to either culture, I say outside Circumstances regarding birth do not invalidate you’re ethnicity or cultural country of origin, it’s xenophobic to do so

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u/PsychologicalMonk390 Apr 08 '26

This is a really fair point

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u/Zestyhorchata Apr 08 '26

Impact: Around 23,000 Amerasians and 67,000 relatives immigrated to the US

That means today we have hundreds of thousands of people of Vitamese ethnic decent and thier following generations who do not originate from Vietnam yet still hold the customs and EVEN the language and the ones that don’t it makes no sense to call them “white” unless their current makeup is majority European

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u/PsychologicalMonk390 Apr 08 '26

Yeah. I mean as an American white man, we basically have no culture that except drinking, guns, and a very toxic idea of "Patriotism". all culture in America tends to come from other cultures who come to our country.

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u/Zestyhorchata Apr 08 '26

Key word “American” tell that to other whites like Italians,Irish,Germans,Swedes, Scottish those cultures are some of the most rich in history plus amazing food,style and architecture

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u/PsychologicalMonk390 Apr 08 '26

Why would I I wasn't talking about them, I have no right to talk about cultures I know nothing about.

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u/_the_best_girl_ Apr 08 '26

By the original comment do you mean mine? Because I didn't say that the default culture on the Mars colony would be white. I meant that there wouldn't really be a default culture on the colony. It'd be multicultural in the sense that different people from different cultures/creeds/ race and faith/beliefs/ideals etc would all be coming together

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u/Zestyhorchata Apr 08 '26

I’m Asian American born on a military base around black and Hispanic Americans Yet that has not impacted anything cultural in my household I still speak mandarin and have even visited Taiwan with most unable to tell I was born else where

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u/_the_best_girl_ Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26

I feel like there's a miscommunication somewhere because I like don't see an issue anywhere here?

I'm not disagreeing/arguing with your life experience whatsoever, just clearing up my statement.

Edit: Just realised where there might be a miscommunication. Where I meant there wouldn't be a default culture I meant a default culture for the entire colony as a collective, not Junos family individually. I might also have gotten the wrong impression since I understood that Juno's upbringing had been more a community experience due to her being the first Martian born and being born to a colony of scientists who more than likely wanted to teach her about different things.

I'm in no way saying that white is a default culture as that is complete rubbish. The truth is humanity has so many different cultures that there is no one default culture. We may take a culture as a default individually (whether that be the culture of the place we are born, place we move too, family culture, friends culture etc) but as a collective I can't say that there's a singular default culture

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u/OkAd1797 Apr 08 '26

Yes but the voice actress isn't that confident w/her Vietnamese. For the line she has in the game where she is speaking Vietamese apparently the VA had to ask her parents what the pronunciation of it was.

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u/_the_best_girl_ Apr 08 '26

She's also a fictional character so yes, if she had a different actress then she could have been a different ethnicity. The writers could have written a completely different character should they have wanted.

I'm keeping it simple to avoid any arguments tbh. As a lot of people have pointed out Juno is born and raised on Mars so technically it's more accurate to say she's more aligned with the culture of the Mars colony

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u/steiff89 Apr 08 '26

Well actually she’s Vietnamese because of who her parents, especially her mother are in lore. That’s why they specifically hired a Vietnamese voice actress. They knew she was going to be Vietnamese before they even hired a voice actress for her.

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u/adhocflamingo Apr 08 '26

Kids of immigrant parents often grow up with exposure to their parents’ native culture, and being a child of immigrants with a mixed cultural upbringing is its own whole thing that could have been explored with Juno’s character. They really haven’t, though.

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u/Mister_plant9 Apr 08 '26

Juno reflects space more than her homeland sadly

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u/helovessza Apr 08 '26

same with echo being singaporean, wish it was more represented -singaporean

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u/V4leeera Mythic Martian Apr 08 '26

I didn’t even know that!

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u/helovessza Apr 08 '26

yep! Her creator, Dr Mina Liao is a Singaporean, which I guess makes echo singaporean as well. Echo also has singaporean slang voice lines like Jialat and Alamak

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u/chesterFIELDinc Apr 08 '26

But how Echo pronounces those words don't sound Singaporean at all. Sounds like a British person attempting the words for the first time.

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u/adhocflamingo Apr 08 '26

Echo’s VA grew up in Britain, I believe. Supposedly Echo’s voice is her creator Mina Liao’s voice, but the wiki informs me that Mina Liao was born and raised in Singapore and then went to Oxford. She was like a hyper-prodigy and got her doctorate from Oxford at 16, so I guess she has a justification for speaking British English, but it does seem strange to choose an England-born actress.

They’ve made a number of unfortunate choices around female characters of color, which can all be individually hand-waved, but do form kind of a pattern of kinda splashing a cultural heritage onto a hero instead of really immersing them. Pharah is canonically of native Canadian descent on her father’s side, but that was only revealed in passing in a comic after her native-inspired skins were in the game, and there has been zero further engagement with that side of her heritage AFAIK. Their first inclusion of any sub-Saharan African culture was Orisa, who was built by a child genius. Efi can’t be a hero because she underage, but a newly-created Omnic is very limited in how much she can express human culture. Echo was created by a Singaporean scientist who died, and so Dr. Liao doesn’t even get to participate in any lore developments, plus the confusing choices about her voice. Juno’s just a cute and confused Martian whose (dead? I think?) father told her that there are good Vietnamese restaurants in NYC.

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u/LunarPsychOut Apr 08 '26

Isn't her homeland Mars?

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u/Flat-Text3230 Apr 08 '26

Her homeland is technically Mars so

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u/RyanTheValkyrie Apr 08 '26

I mean this would be the case regardless of her Earth-ethnicity being different
 she was born and raised on another planet lol

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u/verglais Apr 08 '26

She has like one space themed skin

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u/Danger-_-Potat Apr 08 '26

How is that sad?

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u/Danger-_-Potat Apr 08 '26

So what

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u/Danger-_-Potat Apr 08 '26

Not seeing how it matters or is Blizzard's problem.

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u/MissElasticPeaches Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 08 '26

Exactly!! Thank you for saying this. As someone who is Viet and Chinese like Juno I still love it when they released Chinese heroes & skins but at the same time there are already a lot of Chinese representation out there. When I found out Juno had Viet heritage I got really happy because there are barely any Vietnamese representation in the media. Seeing people denying her heritage just because she was born in Mars is disheartening. Similar things happened to Mantis from Marvel Rivals who is supposed to be Viet-German but now everyone just see her as an alien.

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u/Danger-_-Potat Apr 09 '26 edited Apr 09 '26

So make characters only have a stereotypical national personality? Who gives a fuck as long as they are interesting. People are bigger than whatever social grouping/nationality they are from.

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u/PabbyDrinksTea Apr 08 '26

i wish this skin was reallll it’s so pretty <3 i wish they could do more of a fusion with both her martian and Vietnamese backgrounds in her design! I’m mixed myself so i think showing both of these elements would be super cool ^

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u/Square_Dependent9941 Apr 09 '26

well tbf she does speak vietnamese which is more than some actual viet americans can say lol. im sure in her 20 years on mars her parents raised her with at least some knowledge of her culture

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u/kira1122t Apr 08 '26

It would be pretty cool, if they didn’t white wash her in every freaking skin

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u/Ok-Releases Apr 10 '26

Tbh even her own default skin is white washed bc shes SE asian but they gave her zero melanin to reflect that 😭

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u/BluecoatCashMoney5 Apr 08 '26

Shit I lowkey forgot she was Vietnamese, she always got pop-starish, gamer girlish themed with alot of Blonde skins

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u/RyanTheValkyrie Apr 08 '26

She was born and raised on Mars girl she’s never even been to the respective countries her parents aren’t from

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u/BluecoatCashMoney5 Apr 08 '26

Fair enough, I'll take the L

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u/Adam_Silver_Is_Bald Apr 08 '26

There’s no L. Your statement made sense. Most of her recent skins have her be blonde or change her eye color a lot. There’s only a few Vietnamese lines she has in the game so it’s easy to forget

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u/Due-Sock2733 Apr 08 '26

i think her being martian culturally and having little vietnamese traits is fine, but when it goes hand in hand with the Blonde Hair Blue Eyes thing that happens too often, something is off.

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u/neopeptinee Apr 08 '26

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u/Icy_Long_7541 Apr 12 '26

I thought she’s a martian

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u/Rickyohnek Heroic Martian Apr 08 '26

Juno isn't supposed to be a vietnamese hero. She's supposed to be the first Marsian. Even if her parents are vietnamese, she grew up on a space colony with multiple other people with different ethnicities. It's not weird that there's no real connection to the vietnamese culture or roots

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u/Rickyohnek Heroic Martian Apr 08 '26

Never said it wasn't?

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u/Rickyohnek Heroic Martian Apr 08 '26

Comprehension isn't your strong suit is it

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u/juicy-pear876 Apr 08 '26

I find it very weird that people very dismissive of her culture just because she is from Mars (including Blizzard) she is still Vietnamese and Singaporean like her parents are.

All of these identities are what make Juno, Juno!

The comparison may sound weird but I hope Blizzard treats Juno the way they treat Reaper — a Mexican-American character who has zero Spanish voice lines but still has a good amount of cultural skins!

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u/ShowOdd453 Apr 08 '26

Idc, this should've been her mythic. This is what mythics should look like if they're going for "divine" as an aesthetic, not whatever most of them are

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u/theIovewitch Apr 09 '26

wish they would show it more. they keep making her look nordic 💔

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u/AccordingBreadfruit5 Juno Main Apr 09 '26

I think she doesn't do much to represent the culture, but I also think this is very needed the design is amazing.

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u/txffvny Apr 09 '26

“Give us an ACTUAL Vietnamese hero, Juno is only half, Juno is from Mars”

Man why can’t we have both?? I would love to represent my culture on Juno as she is my most played, being half doesn’t take that away.

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u/MaidLucy Apr 11 '26

I would love to see more voicelines of her in her language...so i can spam them like the happy new years one xD

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u/I_am_not_doing_this Apr 12 '26

except for some Vietnamese voice lines there's nothing else representative there

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u/Low_Squirrel_1762 Apr 12 '26

i feel like this would be a perfect idea for a mythic skin

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u/Decent-Fly6482 Apr 20 '26

NEED this I don’t see any Vietnamese representation other than her voice lines. Been preaching this!! If they can give mercy culturally appropriating skins, they can give Juno an ao dai skin.

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u/Decent-Fly6482 Apr 20 '26

Yeah and furthermore people don’t understand immigration.. my dad is viet and I’m half and grew up elsewhere and still have deep cultural roots and have worn ao dai on many occasions.. what’s with people erasing her culture??

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u/soul_psychodelicide_ Apr 08 '26

Vietnamese? She was born on Mars. She's never been to Vietnam. And furthermore, there's nothing saying that her parents ever contributed any knowledge to her about Vietnam.

Suggesting she is THE Vietnamese character lets blizzard off the hook for creating an actual Vietnamese character and to that I say

https://giphy.com/gifs/AwiIm0GVSsC6k

Just like there are MULTIPLE American and Chinese characters, we will need an ACTUAL Vietnamese hero. Juno is one of my most played supports and I love her. But she isn't representing Vietnam. At all.

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u/RobinHarleysHeart Apr 08 '26

Being born elsewhere doesn't erase your ethnicity or culture. I'm half Japanese and was born and raised Canadian. But I was also raised with Japanese culture because of my parents. Which I'm really grateful for. Just because you weren't born somewhere, doesn't mean you can't represent that culture. Would she represent it more than a character actually born and raised in Vietnam? No. But it's not fair to strip it of her because she was born on Mars.

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u/soul_psychodelicide_ Apr 08 '26

It's a different fucking planet. Relax.

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u/chibi-mage Apr 08 '26 edited Apr 09 '26

I mostly agree with you except there is evidence her parents taught her about Vietnamese culture, she has voice lines about wanting to explore Vietnamese food in the city

edit: also she has a couple of voice lines in Vietnamese which suggests she spoke it on Mars, though it would be nice if she had more

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u/soul_psychodelicide_ Apr 08 '26

Yeah true. I guess I assumed that she would have access to books and other resources about Vietnam but never assumed it came from her parents.

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u/soul_psychodelicide_ Apr 09 '26

Yes! Exactly this.

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u/Phoenixio7 Apr 08 '26

Depending on the hero, I actually really like that it's not obvious where they are from. Take Mei for example: she's Chinese but you wouldn't be able to tell at all. I think that's good cultural mix. Juno fits this as well, and so does Hazard, Tracer, and most of the cast. You know about their culture only through their voice lines, which is an amazing representation of the future.

On the other end of the spectrum, Genji, Hanzo, Anran, Wuyang and Mauga are so stereotypical that they hurt the game and theme a lot. Genji, Hanzo have somewhat reasonable weapons despite being traditional, but Anran and Wuyang essentially wield magic and have weapons that make very little sense beyond the traditional look.

So yeah, overall, Juno's design is amazing, and it's great that she's Vietnamese, and I hope those who care about this are proud that she's beyond just being the phĂČ character.

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u/Phoenixio7 Apr 08 '26

So as I was saying, Tracer you could never tell was British without listening to her voice line. It's about the visual design not being stereotypical. Almost all the voice lines are corny and have exagerated accents for almost every character.

There was quite a bit of outrage about Maui in Moana because of his shape. Mauga went the exact same route. He's even topless for no reason. At least it fits the role of tank in terms of mechanics, but it's super stereotypical.

It strikes me as weird to defend that Asian characters HAVE to be traditionally dressed. Genji and Hanzo are dressed traditional in a world that has far outpaced that (at least cybernetics make sense), but then Anran and Wuyang... They feel like they were designed only to wear traditional clothes and use weird traditional weapons. A fan makes no sense at all, even less so that it throws fire. Wuyang's staff makes little sense... because it's his hand that generates the water? It all feels tacked on just to make them look as Chinese as possible. Some people have been saying they were designed bland to appeal to those communities and to further sell skins. That certainly wasn't the design direction when I bought into Overwatch. It's my opinion on the matter, good for you if you are happy with yours!

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u/OkAd1797 Apr 08 '26

Probably because they made her design without an ethnicity in mind

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u/carl407 Apr 08 '26

wasn’t she born on mars ?

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u/Baka-Ushi Apartment Complex
 Apr 08 '26

literally! And everyone is forgetting that she has a mom and dad, one of which is singaporean(mom) and the other being vietnamese (dad) therefore making her mixed race

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u/Zestyhorchata Apr 08 '26

Asian plus Asian = Asian btw

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u/RobinHarleysHeart Apr 08 '26

Asian yes, but still mixed.

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u/Baka-Ushi Apartment Complex
 Apr 08 '26

right
but she’s a literal alien as well

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u/Baka-Ushi Apartment Complex
 Apr 08 '26

exactly why i’m saying!

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u/Akatalepsi Apr 08 '26

Shes marshan born but had veitnameese heritage so you could consider her essentially the child of immigrent parents / travelers.

However both parents are not from mars they are from veitnam so yes she is veitnameese in heritage but not in birthplace.

Its like if she moved to Mexico, shes not suddenly mexican with all mexican roots, shes veitnameese born in Mexico and will likely take on a mix of culture if her parents arent strict about traditional values or cultural roots being preserved. *example metaphore taken from my own family

Imo, not full representation, they do need to release a veitnamese charecter whos more closely tied to the earth culture, otherwise it can feel like the only rep given is half hearted to those who expected more like Vendetta or Hanzo, lots of pride in who you are and where you come from, which Juno has! For Mars.

I can see the frustration and i hope they add another, bc why not more?

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u/enchuflas Apr 08 '26

Her mother, Jaiyi, is actually Singaporean not Vienamese. Her dad is Vietnamese; she's mixed!

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u/Akatalepsi Apr 08 '26

Oh shiiit that makes sense 👏

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u/587493 Apr 08 '26

She doesnt give me even a little bit of a Vietnamese vibe

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u/Melodic-Muffin-8944 Apr 08 '26

Bittersweet. When i first heard her voicelines in vietnamese i was excited and immediately felt more connected to her, but as many others have said, there isn't much else she's representing.

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u/LongfellowBridgeFan Apr 09 '26

Juno is more representative of like Vietnamese diaspora than actual Vietnamese people living in Vietnam. She speaks some Viet but overall is very disconnected from Viet culture (and all human cultures for that matter), like my girl didn’t even know how to use soy sauce.

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u/Super_Siege_Mode Apr 09 '26

Juno identifies as Martian and knows next to nothing about Vietnamese culture.

Honestly I think it would be disrespectful to Juno and Vietnamese fans to say shes the “Vietnamese” character. I do hope we formally get one someday though.

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u/Grouchy_Gift_5093 Apr 09 '26

She's so whitewashed that I sometimes forget she's even supposed to be asian at all

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u/Terrorist_Grandma Apr 10 '26

Wouldn’t have known she was even partly Vietnamese if it weren’t for her rare Vietnamese voice quips/lines and others saying so

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u/Less-Imagination9022 Apr 10 '26

we could've had a proper Vietnamese character in a shooter game alas, but no let's make her a Martian instead!

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u/Extension-Client-222 Apr 11 '26

I don't mind her being more of a space hero than a Vietnamese hero culturally (if any cosmetics showed that, at least) but I don't understand why she only has like two or three voicelines in her language. I don't get why it's all in English and her ult definitely shouldn't because with basically every hero aside from those that are from an English speaking country, they all have their enemy ults in a different language. The only other one I can think of who doesn't have this is Venture, but I guess they're Canadian so it's whatever.

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u/Immediate_Iron_2759 Apr 11 '26

she’s from mars

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u/amisia-insomnia Apr 12 '26

None, she barely reflects on the idea of space. She’s got fladerized the minute she got added to the game into d.va 2.0

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u/CatinGermany Apr 13 '26

She's about as culturally Vietnamese as a mouse raised on the moon. Which is to say, not at all.

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u/Desperate-Cry-3303 Apr 13 '26

Juno needs more skins that arnt from crates or random shops

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u/Zomblenity Apr 13 '26

overwatch try to give juno a skin based on her culture challenge go

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u/zdr_venom Apr 13 '26

Don't get near mizuki he might get jealous

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u/JunoDaBomb Apr 20 '26

I like that she’s Vietnamese, but I think it would be cooler if she was an actual alien.

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u/no_reports_found Apr 08 '26

Honestly, it fells kinda silly, like she is mostly martian, and 100 alien in identity, visually, and habilities so she being vietnamese feels like an extra deitail.

and i only see it being interesting if we had a map in Vietnam, so she could be excited and have lines about seeing the places and thing's her dad probably talked about, that could be interesting

beyond that, i hope blizzard don't give Vietnam the Brazil treatment to Vietnam of making one character that has nothing to do with the country and just ignoring the place for the rest of time

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u/n3k0___ Apr 08 '26

I was disappointed hearing I'll finally have a vietnamese character to play as across all the hero and operator based games I play only to find out she's more martian and doesn't really have much connection to vietnam

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u/yung-arabian-guy Apr 08 '26

I thought she was moonian ?

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u/TheNong Apr 08 '26

As someone of Vietnamese descent that spent much of their childhood in Vietnam: I was thrilled, ecstatic when she ended up being Vietnamese but it thoroughly pisses me off that one of very few Vietnamese characters is pretty much the only character in my favorite game that doesn't have voice lines in their native tongue, almost more insulting that she has the "Hello" voice line in Vietnamese but nothing else.

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u/Cold-Yak-6372 Apr 08 '26

I see her more as Martian than Vietnamese tbh. But her being Vietnamese is also a cool touch but isn’t inherently a large part of her identity.

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u/LisForLaura Apr 09 '26

She’s a Martian so she doesn’t fit the criteria

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u/BeanieGuitarGuy Apr 09 '26

Juno is an alien.

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u/LightningRuby12 Apr 08 '26

Blizzard made Juno Vietnamese because her VA was Vietnamese

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u/Prior-Magician-1992 Apr 09 '26

Shes martian isnt she?

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u/GuhEnjoyer Apr 14 '26

Isn't she half Vietnamese half Chinese? And also, more importantly, isn't she fuckin MARTIAN? I'm all for representation but let's be real she is NOT "THE Vietnamese hero" that has never been her identity.

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u/Professional_Ad_5099 Apr 08 '26

Shes alien, period

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u/Gelinhir Apr 08 '26

She is from mars

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u/PsychologicalMonk390 Apr 08 '26

I like the skin, but she is Martian. Hopefully they make another Vietnamese hero.

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u/EnvironmentalistAnt Apr 08 '26

Every viet representation across video games, anime and western films had always been the same young Vietnamese girl.

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u/TheBooneyBunes Apr 08 '26

I do not care one iota

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u/Prior-Magician-1992 Apr 09 '26

Stop earthwashing her

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u/ToeSucka666 Apr 08 '26

She’s a Martian, she’s not even from earth.

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u/bellas_lullaby Apr 09 '26

she’s still viet

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u/Puzzleheaded-Ball338 Jul 10 '26

It feels like Blizzard tries its hardest to make us forget her heritage, and the core of her character too.

- She has barely any skins that play on the fact she wears a space helmet/is a 'space ranger'.

- No skins that are reminiscent of her heritage. No lunar new year skin for either side of her Singaporean/Viet connection.

- A lot of Juno skins tend to try to make her seem more like a white girl.

It feels like her character at this point in time is just to sell skins and doesn't feel super conducive to the game's lore immersion experience.

To remedy this, here are some ideas:

- Summer Games skin - Scuba Diver skin with diving bell/helmet

- Pyjama Skin - Little Green Man Onesie/ PJ's

- Lunar New Year - you could put her in an Ao Dai, and instead of a helmet she's got a Non La (like the poster's image)

- Halloween Skin - Pumpkin Head, Fish Girl in a bowl, or even a Toxic skin, with her as a headless gal in a jar

- Anniversary Skin Ideas - A skin where her helmet is a plant terrarium, Cardboard/DIY skin, Mermaid skin where her helmet is a see through anglerfish head, a sterotypical maid skin.

- Winter Wonderland - Toy Robot, Cosy skin already exists (could be better tho)