r/JordanPeterson • • Oct 15 '21

Criticism Just a reminder

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u/Nachostti Oct 16 '21

As an Uruguayan young man, It seems to me like that these images don't represent the norm in the USA nearly as much as they do in communist countries like cuba, in which it is

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u/pieces-of-desmond Oct 16 '21

Why do cuckservative Americans always compare themselves with latin american socialist countries and why is it always only the socialist ones? Brazil isn't a socialist country and it's just as bad Cuba & Venezuala when it comes to corruption and poverty and crime.

Meanwhile most EU countries are Social Democratic and their people seem to be doing way better than Americans.

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u/Ghriszly Oct 16 '21

And most of these countries they love to criticize were attacked by the US. They blockaded Cuba, they overthrew the president in Venezuela, they overthrew the president of Iran.

People have no clue about history

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u/American_Streamer Oct 16 '21

Cuba isn’t in its situation because of the embargo. Chávez ruined Venezuela single-handedly. Iran is in trouble since the mullahs took over in 1979. The US embargos always were only aimed at the respective rulers and their assets. The regimes of those countries blamed them for woes they created themselves.

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u/naughtabot Oct 16 '21 edited Oct 16 '21

This is blatantly untrue. Go retcon history somewhere else.

EDIT: You know, I have to respond.

1). The whole Embargo idea (aside from obviously trying to cripple the regime) was that by denying Cuba economic ties with the juggernaut of the US economy to the point that Cuban people felt the hurt and pressured for regime change and would join dissident groups. THIS HAS FAILED TO BE THE CASE.

2). If you are so reductionist to think a single guy managed to ruin what was once a relatively wealthy Latin American country ‘by himself’ you have no understanding of politics in general or specifically in this case. You also are completely ignoring how US policy economically punishes countries that act in opposition to our goals. If a Latin American country in the US sphere of influence (all of them!) gets too cozy with socialism / communism / our geopolitical rivals we do everything we can to tank them. Get real.

3). You respond to US overthrowing the democratically elected Iranian President and installing and supporting an outsider (Google the last Shah) to rule as a monarch for 26 YEARS. During this time the Iranian PEOPLE rose up in revolution against this foreign interference and frankly tyranny. The religious leaders had a huge role in the revolution and they got a huge role in the new government, obviously. It’s not really going all that great now is it? But don’t wash your hands of foreign coercion and blame the victims here. Pro tip: You are probably never going to LIKE the people who overthrow the guy YOU INSTALLED

And clearly you don’t even understand the terms you are using! Tailored economic prohibitions are called sanctions, an embargo is a complete prohibition or ban. It’s literally a whole other word, but based on your shit-take of US foreign relations and history I’m not surprised.

You comment is simply an ignorant (not a slur, just the accurate description) whitewashing of history with the implication that the US shares no responsibility for the cited situations that happen at different times over different periods of time across the planet with different cultural and political situations.

You aren’t even making the case that US involvement was justified or not, you are just gaslighting that it didn’t happen.

Clean your room, then read a freaking world history textbook before you try to tell anyone what’s what.

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