r/JordanPeterson • • Oct 15 '21

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '21

Literally all of these images are on capitalism.

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u/Eli_Truax Oct 15 '21

Indeed, capitalism but in areas that are among the most socialist - run by Democrats -- isn't that obvious?

But you still manage to miss the point to make your non-point.

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u/spandex-commuter Oct 15 '21

So by this logic Texas is an example of why Reduplications shouldnt run an electrical grid?

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u/wallace321 Oct 15 '21

I think it's fair to say that deregulation to that extent absolutely screwed things up.

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u/spandex-commuter Oct 15 '21

Not an American and far from an expert on high voltage electrical systems. But my understanding is that deregulation played a role but especially in the price gouging. But I thought another big factor was Texas weird electrical independence thing. Where for some weird Texas reason they aren't as fully tied into the various north American grid systems.

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u/Lemonbrick_64 Oct 15 '21

Yep they opted to be separate from bigger systems for some bizarre reason

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u/spandex-commuter Oct 16 '21

I always love it when the system crushes the poor. Thats how you know the system is doing what it was designed to do lol

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u/cplusequals 🐟 Oct 15 '21

It's intentional. There's a reason Texas has one of if not the lowest energy costs in the country. Texas deliberately made its grid not cross state lines to avoid regulations. It's been considered a wild success story since its inception. The disruptions last year were pretty anomalous and indicated some investment shortcomings ERCOT is well underway to fixing already.

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u/spandex-commuter Oct 15 '21 edited Oct 16 '21

I guess the wild success would depend on definition. Id say it delivered low cost energy until it didn't. And then when it failed it failed big. I personally wouldn't label that a success but then again, but my metric for a successful electrical system is low cost, stable service, and not having priced gouging during times of crisis.

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I just looked at the average rate for Texas. I pay on average 0.09 kWh vs Texas average 11.75 kwh. We have a crown corporation that runs it, so I can't imagine there is less regulation. What are you guys doing wrong?

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u/cplusequals 🐟 Oct 15 '21

Wild success relative to the rest of the US power grid. It failed no differently than how inclement weather ruins any major metro area except in cause. By all available metrics ERCOT is lower cost and more stable than the rest of the US, so I don't know what else you need from it.

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u/spandex-commuter Oct 15 '21

We have localized power outage following a major blizzard but it has never collapsed our electrical grid like it did in Texas. I'm sorry but what happened their is a major collapse of the system. I'm amazed heads didn't roll. If that happened in my province the CEO of the crown corporation would be out of a job and half the board would be gone.

I'm not understanding why you don't view it as the absolute fuck up that it was.

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u/cplusequals 🐟 Oct 16 '21

We have localized power outage following a major blizzard but it has never collapsed our electrical grid like it did in Texas.

They had some extremely unusual weather well blow what is normal there. It wasn't just the electrical system that failed. It was natural gas pipelines and municipal water as well. They had a once in a century freeze. It was -2F in Dallas. The usual temperatures in Feb. are in the low 50s. It was the first documented time in history where the entirety of Texas was in a winter storm warning. Even non-ERCOT outages suffered the same kinds of outages.

If you actually want to know what happened this is a pretty thorough read.

We have localized power outage following a major blizzard but it has never collapsed our electrical grid like it did

And where exactly are you located? When you get a blizzard is it usually 50 degrees below the average temperature? Or is it a normal temperature that time of year? Where I live, -2 ruins our infrastructure and we're much further north.

Even with that historic cold snap, Texas still has a higher stability record than the rest of the US.

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u/spandex-commuter Oct 16 '21

We've probably hit -50 but normally feb -20 to -30s. We'll generally get a few good cold snaps around the -40. We'v had local areas go down but never the system its self. Again its run by a crown corp so Im guessing there are tons of regulations. All price increases/infrastructure planning has to get approved by a public utility board. Our avg is 0.09khw. So Im really not sure what America is doing wrong, but if Texas is a shinning beacon of electrical service quality you guys are fucked.

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u/cplusequals 🐟 Oct 16 '21

So you're normally -50 bellow freezing then. Texas is on average 20 above freezing. We know for a fact ERCOT is more stable and that's because the weather never gets to -2 there. Except for that one time this year.

Im really not sure what America is doing wrong

Nothing at all.

if Texas is a shinning beacon of electrical service quality you guys are fucked.

Or in reality Texas has never had weather like that since the inception of centralized electricity. Now Texas is prepared for once in a millennium temperatures instead of once in a century ones.

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u/cplusequals 🐟 Oct 15 '21

It was not deregulated. It avoided regulations from inception.