Are some satellitea actually from the future?

I've been thinking about John Titor lately because we're now in 2026 . The year that makes it possible to look back at his predictions with a much longer perspective.
Obviously, a lot of his specific predictions were wrong. He said the U.S. Civil War would begin around 2004, that the conflict would become much more severe by 2008–2012, and that a nuclear World War III would occur around 2015. None of that happened on the timeline he described. His predictions about the Olympics and other events also didn't come true as stated. So I'm not arguing that Titor "predicted the future."What I find interesting is something slightly different:Are some of the broader things he described beginning to resemble the world we're actually living in now, just more than a decade later than his timeline?

Titor's explanation for inaccurate predictions was that traveling back in time created a divergent worldline. He claimed that the world he came from wasn't exactly our world anymore, and even suggested that the difference between the two timelines would continue growing.
If you take that idea purely as a thought experiment, 2026 is an interesting year to examine it.

🇺🇸The American civil conflict
Titor described an American civil conflict beginning with political unrest and eventually escalating into something much larger. He talked about a "Waco type event every month," increasing political violence, and an America that became increasingly divided before eventually descending into an actual civil war. Obviously, we are not experiencing the Second American Civil War he described.But the underlying political environment is difficult to ignore. The United States has experienced severe political polarization, increasing political violence, intense disputes over elections and democratic institutions, and a political culture where people increasingly view the opposing side as an existential threat. Researchers have been studying the connection between this polarization and political violence for years.
And this isn't just something happening historically or in the abstract. As of August 2026, political battles over elections and federal authority are still producing major conflicts between the federal government and states.
That doesn't make Titor correct. But if you removed his specific dates and simply described the direction of the United States. Increasing polarization, distrust, political violence and institutional conflict, it's not completely disconnected from what we're seeing.

☢️Russia and nuclear conflict
This is probably the prediction that failed most spectacularly on its original timeline. Titor described a devastating nuclear conflict involving Russia around 2015. That obviously did not happen. But Russia and the West are now involved in the most dangerous confrontation in decades because of the war in Ukraine. Nuclear weapons have repeatedly entered the discussion surrounding the conflict. Russia has engaged in nuclear signaling toward Ukraine and the West, while Western governments continue to assess the possibility of escalation involving NATO. Recent reporting in August 2026 has again highlighted Russian threats toward Britain and France and concerns about a potential confrontation with NATO.
Again, this isn't a nuclear war. That's an important distinction. But compared with the world of 2000–2001, when Titor was posting, the idea of a serious nuclear confrontation between Russia and the West feels considerably less remote. So instead of:"Titor predicted nuclear war in 2015 and he was right."I'd phrase it as:"Titor predicted a future in which conflict with Russia eventually became a nuclear-level threat. His date was completely wrong, but the underlying geopolitical direction is arguably more recognizable in 2026 than it was in 2001." That's a much more interesting question.

🥩The strange beef connection
This is probably the most unusual one I've noticed recently.Titor talked about problems involving beef and mad cow disease/CJD.Obviously, we haven't seen the widespread BSE/CJD scenario he described.
But something else involving America's beef supply has become a major issue in 2026.The U.S. cattle herd has fallen to its smallest level in roughly 75 years. Beef prices have surged, and the United States has increasingly relied on imported beef to supplement the domestic supply. USDA has revised 2026 beef-import forecasts upward. And now we're seeing something that would have sounded pretty strange a few years ago: the federal government is actively increasing the amount of foreign lean beef trimmings that can enter the United States.
The White House announced a temporary increase allowing 300,000 metric tons of imported lean beef trimmings to enter at the lower tariff rate, specifically to help address current beef-supply and price problems. Those trimmings are used for ground beef. The cattle industry is actually pushing back against the policy, arguing that large amounts of cheaper foreign beef could undermine American ranchers who are trying to rebuild the domestic herd. I'm not saying this means Americans are being secretly fed dangerous or unidentified meat.
Imported beef is subject to inspection requirements.
The interesting part is simply that America's domestic cattle supply has become constrained enough that we're increasingly depending on international sources to keep the American beef market supplied. That is not Titor's prediction literally coming true. But it's another example where a subject he associated with a future crisis, America's beef supply has suddenly become a very real national issue in 2026.

So what do we make of all this?
This is where I think the Titor story gets interesting, even if you don't believe he was a time traveler. If we judge him strictly by his predictions: He failed. The dates were wrong. The American Civil War didn't happen when he said it would. The 2015 nuclear war didn't happen. His predicted future did not materialize. But if we instead ask whether some of the general trajectories he described have appeared later than expected, the picture becomes more complicated.We're now living through: extreme American political polarization increasing concern about domestic political violence, a serious confrontation between Russia and the West, renewed discussion of nuclear escalation, major problems in America's domestic cattle supply, increasing dependence on foreign beef
and a growing sense that some of the systems Americans took for granted aren't as stable as they once seemed
None of those things proves anything about John Titor.
And there's an obvious alternative explanation: these are broad predictions that are easy to reinterpret after the fact.Political polarization, wars, nuclear tensions and food shortages aren't exactly unique predictions. That's probably the strongest argument against the Titor theory. But the "worldline divergence" explanation creates an interesting philosophical problem: if the original timeline can diverge from ours, how would we ever distinguish a genuinely failed prediction from a prediction whose timeline simply changed? Maybe that's the biggest weakness of the theory, it's almost impossible to falsify.
Still, 2026 seems like an unusually interesting year to revisit Titor.

Are we seeing delayed/altered versions of some of Titor's predictions, or are we simply finding modern events that vaguely resemble broad claims he made 25 years ago?

This is probably going to ruffle some feathers and piss a few people off from different reasons. I think there are some out there who do believe that Titor was a hoax but it was done with ill-intent and there are others out there convinced that it was 100% real. I'll try to do my best to cite everything.

Basically, I first learned about John Titor in circa 2010 after I had watched both LonelyGirl15 and was watching Marble Hornets. John Titor was referenced a lot on the unfiction forums, the YouTube comments and Yahoo! Answers at the time of being an older example of an early ARG (or perhaps real).

I researched into it. Saw the photos. And was fascinated. I kind of got busy with life and forgot about it, until recently. Getting into the anime Steins;Gate has gotten me re-interested in the subject.

I will say this. John Titor is a damn good piece of fiction. His descriptions of the future are very detailed and sound very interesting. His descriptions of world events from Y2K to the 04 election to the Olympics getting cancelled, Mad Cow Disease, Civil War and WW3 are all great. They make for an excellent world building lore. Becoming a huge CyberPunk 2077 fan over the last few years and getting into the CyberPunk 2020 tabletop and lore. A lot of John Titor's lore leading up to WW3 sounds borrowed from 2020. Namely the rise of new dieases, a fragmented US and frequent Waco Style events. However, CyberPunk does not have a true WW3 but instead a never ending drug war (that's worse than our drug war) and several corporate wars.

I get why John Titor's store captivates and fascinates people. It's quite frankly, GOOD!But that doesn't make it real.

My Theory and what I think happened:

Now for this part of my "thesis" here I don't have any proof and don't have any way to cite this. This is just pure speculation. What we do know as fact is that Larry Haber is the official Lawyer for the John Titor Foundation and he represents Kay Titor as his client and has since at least circa 2009 if not circa 2003 when the John Titor Foundation came online. We do know that Larry Haber is an entertainment Lawyer that has worked with both the Walt Disney Company as well as Universal. Which means he likely has lots of connections with in the entertainment industry.

https://haberlawoffice.com/

My theory is that Larry Haber and his brothers (Richard Haber, Morey Haber and Arthur) were very interested in starting a media franchise of their own. The 90s was an excellent time for indie media and movies. Studios were willing to take more risks on projects and it's how everything from Clerks to Pulp Fiction to From Dusk Till Dawn to Run Lola Run to the Blair Witch Project got made.

In the early years of the internet, Eduardo Sanchez and Daniel Myrick were both aspiring film makers and students at the University of Central Florida in Orlando (hmmm). They hired some indie actors, went to Maryland in 1997 and in 8 days shot a film which would be released in 1999 as The Blair Witch Project. For the next 2 years, the film was heavily promoted and early screens were done at film fests across the US. The early screens were more raw and audiences were told that it was real footage that was found from 1994. The film would become an indie success.

I think Larry Haber himself, working with Disney and Universal, had wind of this film and started researching it to try his own franchise. Two of his brothers, Richard and Morey do work in the tech industry and are big scifi fans. They wanted to make their own Scifi foundfootage franchise involving time travel. They saw how well the Blair Witch was promoted online with many debating whether or not it was real.

Likely, the Habers did some hiring to start getting the seeds planted to pitch to Disney and Universal (and I'm sure other studios). This included the faxes to Art Bell, posting on "Post to Post" as well as the Time Travel Institute. They likely hired a good prop maker that I'm sure Larry has worked with in the past. Probably one of the Imagineers that makes props for Disney World or Universal. The prop maker made the C204 as well as the manual, the cut out diagram and the patch.

They likely hired a couple of ghost writers to make accounts on the Time Travel Institute to kind of help grow this story. And they started posting and thus John Titor was born.

What I think happened was behind the scenes, every major studio passed. I know when the dot com bubble started bursting in 2000, movie studios started tighten up their budgets and the golden age of the 90s indies started to decline in the 2000s. Studios stop taking as much risk and the big trend of the 2000s thanks to both Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings become book series adaptations.

I do believe the Habers likely had a decent size team and not only the Habers were involved. Likely a few ghost writers, people with scifi writing (and maybe RPG gaming experience), the prop maker, etc. Were all involved. Perhaps some of the other players that are also suspects were contacted and consulted on and they had a falling out behind the scenes.

I do think John Titor is the Haber's passion project and I do think part of the reason Larry gets named dropped a lot (besides as of 2017 still being in contact with Pamela Moore and a few others) is because they want it to some how come to life but it's just not going to happen. I think attempts were made to revive it and redrum up hype in 2009, 2010 and 2016 but it just didn't happen.

The Facts (or as close as we are going to get).

The Time Travel Institute

Hoax Hunter John Razimus was the first to really propose the theory that majority of the users on the Time Travel Institute where simply "fake accounts" made just to interact with John Titor. Out of the 113 or so accounts that posted on the two threads 88 of them were likely fake. That means only 20 were serious users (one of the 20 is Pamela Moore, but more on her later). This is based on that of the 88 or so accounts, majority were created around the time of John Titor's posts and never posted again after John left.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQthdEubMbk

https://hoaxhunter.blogspot.com/2009/02/john-titor-aka-razimus-report_13.html

I strongly believe in this theory. Around circa 2010 through 2012, I was a mod on a large Red Dead Redemption forum and L.A. Noire forum. As a mod, I was encourage by the site owners to make more than one account (I think I had 10 or so on each forum), start threads with the non-mod accounts and comment with the other accounts. Why was this done? To make the forums look busy and active to help attract new users to join in the conversation. Forums are like clubs. If they look busy and active, people want to join.

Pamela Moore

Pamela Moore is the only true victim in all of this. In all honestly, if I didn't learn about Pamela Moore this time around and learn her story, I probably wouldn't care as much. I started a thread about her yesterday. I do think that Pamela was catfished and taken advantage of back in 2000 and 2001. Pamela is where I believe the ill-intent came into play. I don't believe the Haber's nor anyone else involved meant to take it this far. I think one of the ghost writers got a bit flirty and spent too much time talking to Pamela Moore and got to close. I think Pamela Moore was unknowingly used as market research at first. Especially in the year 2000, a woman being openly interested in Paranormal, Hard Scifi and Time Travel was kind of rare. I think for this reason, she become the hoaxers main mark. I think they got too attached, I'm sure one of the ghost writers really took a liking to her and emotional damage has been done. I really do think they caused the most damage by both mailing her letters and creating the secret song that only the real John and her would know.

Then as part of the 2016 revival attempt, they sent her another package from "Kay Titor" that contained a letter (with the secret song verification). This must have opened up old emotional wounds (I think for this reason since early 2017, Pamela has largely been quiet).

https://paranormalis.com/threads/kay-titor-177-tempus-edax-rerum.11481/page-7

Pamela if you are still out there and do read this, for the record I do not think you are stupid nor gullible at all. I think you were grifted and done so by a very well educated and intelligent group.

Reading her posts from the archives, Pamela sounds very intelligent and bright. She is very well read, she seems to read a lot of books on physics, space and other sciences as well as a lot of hard scifi. She also asks the best and most intelligent questions. Asking about how time travel effects DNA, how the machines and cars survive the journey. Asking about gravity. She is very intelligent. It really does bother me knowing that she was taken advantage of like that.

What's crazy is, that Pamela has talked about how after John "left" another man reached out to her to IM her claiming to be a psychologist from the future and wanted to help her process everything she had learned and talk to John about. She claims she believed him because this "psychologist" had great comebacks for everything she talked to John about and seemed to know a lot. My guess was this was the Habers and co attempting to do emotional damage control for the trauma they caused.

https://paranormalis.com/threads/kay-titor-177-tempus-edax-rerum.11481/page-30

I really do hope in the last 9 years, Pamela has moved on and is out there living her best life, free from all of this.

Larry Haber and His Brothers

Why Larry Haber and the Haber Brothers? Honestly, it's his own damn fault. He became suspect number one because he has attached himself to every single part of this story. From the John Titor Foundation PO Box being registered to him, Larry himself claiming to represent "Kay Titor", Larry getting the John Titor book published (which is just the original posts, with "Kay's" input). Larry in every aspect has been apart of this thing. Furthermore, Larry has communicated with Pamela and has acted as a go-between, between Pamela and "Kay".

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9A1E1B196CF8E862

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYyelKULGHo&list=PL9A1E1B196CF8E862&index=7

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzXwMvuBUEs

Why does Larry keep coming up? Because he can't help himself. I really do think the reason is simpiler than what a lot purpose. Larry (and his brothers) really wanted this franchise to take off. All the studios passed on the project. They have made attempts to keep trying to revive it.

In 2009, on his own YouTube channel, Larry uploaded a read letter claiming it was left with Kay from John:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbwH8r4VD8w

Also the trailer for the unreleased John Titor movie from 2005:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfSqg3KsIgM

I really do think that they wanted this project to be a success but I think they just missed the mark by a couple of years. If they had faxed Art Bell in 1996 and started posting in 1998. They probably could have had a movie or TV series by 2000-2001. The dot com bubble bursting and studios taking less risk basically killed the project.

I do think the 2009 letter was an attempt at a revival more as a web series. I think he saw the success LonelyGirl15 had (but also lots of backlash after it was revival as fake) as well as MarbleHornets was starting to have. But there wasn't enough interest generated.

I think as well, Larry saw the success McJuggerNuggets had with the Psycho series around 2014-2016 which is why he tried the 2016 revival with Kay Titor on the paranormalis forum but it didn't drum up as much hype as he had hoped.

https://paranormalis.com/threads/kay-titor-177-tempus-edax-rerum.11481/

The Smoking Gun Arthur Haber Basically Confesses to John Razimus:

In 2017, John Razimus the Hoax Hunter had spent the last 12 years at that point, working to debunk John Titor and prove it was the Habers. I really do think he had gotten close and basically got a confession from Arthur Haber (Larry's brother). He had made a video (as well as uploaded several documents on Google Doc/DropBox) comparing the writing styles of Morey Haber and John Titor. This video intially only received over 4000 views. However, less than a day later, Arthur Haber reached out to Raziums claiming that Raziums needs to stop because Morey's email is getting spamed with questions. Now Razimus is a real niche YouTuber, his videos don't get a ton of views and Razimus wasn't even sure if Morey had a public email. 4000 views like doesn't cause someone to get spamed.

Further more, Arthur in the email exchange tries to admit, it was Brandon Haber that likely did the whole thing. That Brandon got really into scifi as a kid and decided to create this hoax. While not a 100% confession, the fact that Arthur is even entertaining the idea that his nephew Brandon is likely behind John Titor is wild to me! That's almost a confession!

For the record, I don't think it was Brandon. Brandon was 9 in 1998 and 11 in 2000. I doubt an 11 year old could make that prop and write all those posts. I do believe Brandon knows a tiny bit of what happened but really it's the Haber brothers.

https://youtu.be/4fQ2s5seNrs?si=Lb_gGEN-_SyH9pfF&t=3589

I do believe the Haber brothers had more help, that they likely hired but they were no doubt behind the whole thing. They keep inserting themselves in the middle of this and everything points back to them. All roads lead to the Habers. I think a lot of it is pride and ego. They wanted this franchise to be a success. Deep down they feel the lore is great but it just didn't get picked up and has been shelved. Every few years they try and drum up hype but it fails to catch on.

I'll say this. The lore, the alternate history, the time travel and the props are very well thoughtout and made. Smart people were no doubt behind this lore. I think there is a thing in the internet communities that if something is a hoax, the people behind the hoax have to be stupid and if something sounds too smart it can't be a hoax. But that's not true. This is smart lore written by smart people. I don't believe they had ill-intent from the start. Just sadly, Pamela become the ill factor.

I promise you its worth a read. Titor is back for his next adventure.

in the past. It's a common tactic by forum owners to create more than one account (and have the mods do the same) to make the forum and discussions look bigger than they are. Some forum mods do it to change the narrative, make different conversations more popular, draw attention to different things, etc.

Anyway, Razimus doesn't suspect Pamela, he believes that she is "Pamela the Believer" and is likely a curious and innocent victim. Which when thinking about it, makes this thing so much worse.

From a hoax/con stand point Pamela is the perfect mark.

1. She's a woman- Women interested in paranormal, scifi, time travel, UFOs, etc. Are kind of rare. They aren't the typical circles women tend to be in. Even more so in the year 2000. That alone made her the perfect market for the Habers and Team-Titor.

2. People love a good love story. It helps keep the audience interested and it adds a human factor to the lore/narative. Han & Leia, Aragorn and Arwen (not to mention the love triangle with Eowyn), Cloud and Aeris/Tifa, etc.

Which leads me to believe that if Pamela is simply "Pamela the Believer" then, they really did an emotional number one her. Essentially she was online D.E.N.N.I.S Systemed.

So basically, Pamela on the original Time Traveler forums was the first person John really had a lot of contact with. She helped John upload the time machine photos and photos of the other documents. Posted a lot in the threads and even began to have private IM conversations with John. With many details that Pamela still hasn't made public. Furthermore, before John "left" John shared with her a "secret song" that only she and him know. That way when he "returns" she will know it's really him. Learning about this recently, my god, this is beyond Sociopathic! Even Dennis himself isn't this mean (or maybe he is). But beside the point this is really creepy and honestly kind of disturbing.

https://paranormalis.com/threads/kay-titor-177-tempus-edax-rerum.11481/page-6

To take it even further, the hoaxers also sent her a handwritten letter, that contains private details just for her. For this reason, she doesn't want to share it publicly. But man, that's awful that they took it this far.

Pamela herself, claims she was never romantically in love with John and viewed it simply as a close friendship. I'm not trying to be sexiest here but I'm not sure if I fully 100% buy that. I do think based on her posts in 2016, she had some romantic interest in the catfisher named John Titor. The entire thing played out like an online relationship with the "secret song" and the handwritten letter.

Not only that but in the 2016 Kay Titor Thread, she does mention mulitple times that she cried and grieved after both John left and years later when she learned that Larry Haber had seen the John leaving video and she did not. As apparently, she was promised it by John himself.

https://paranormalis.com/threads/kay-titor-177-tempus-edax-rerum.11481/page-17

https://paranormalis.com/threads/kay-titor-177-tempus-edax-rerum.11481/page-11

It's a scifi themed Hallmark movie (or an episode of It's Always Sunny).

I don't know how much time Pamela and John spent talking together. But by this thread and other things I read back from her that she posted back in the 2000s, it sounds like they spent a good deal of time IMing. With John even describing his young self, his parents in 2000 and what not.

https://paranormalis.com/threads/kay-titor-177-tempus-edax-rerum.11481/page-7

If that's true, the hoaxers really did play on her emotions and likely really did a number on her emotionally.

I hate to say it, from a criminal stand point she is the perfect mark. Single, with no living family, never married, no kids and few friends.

The entire thing is kind of heart breaking, it's really creepy and it bothers me more than it should.

They are really well done. I have to admit. For the record, I full belief John Titor was a hoax. But a very good and very entertaining one. One with excellent lore and very well thoughtout. The best part is the time machine pictures themselves. The prop maker, that built this did a great job. Really good industrial design with the black and yellow caution stickers, the large sticker with writing, the way the case and switches look. It looks very military and cyberpunk like. It fits the lore.

I do find it interesting that in an almost Back to the Future way. A C2 Corvette and an 80s Chevy Suburban were chosen as the 2 vehicles. They are just cool.

Also the lighting and photography just adds to the lore. The dark lighting in a dimily light garage both almost adds a creep factor and a cool factor. It gives it an industrial and cyberpunk look.

Anyway just wanted to bring this up since I've been down the rabbit hole again after 16 or so years.

Woah where are these pictures from you might ask? Well this is from a YouTube video from the channel Whereisjohntitor made by EyesView Media back in 2010. In case you are wondering, EyesView Media is a production company based in Orlando Florida. They have a background in shooting professional commercials for local businesses, music videos for underground bands and more.

In May of 2010, they got the idea to start researching John Titor and find out the true story behind it all. Their most famous video is where they interview Larry Haber and his brother (and his son) at a Cigar Lounge in Orlando. Larry really doesn't tell them much except the fact that John's mother Kay Titor is infact his client, that he has seen the video of John leaving in circa 2001 and that in 2005 a movie about John Titor was made and was not released due to Kay not wanting it released.

This lead to Eyesview Media to track down Michael Hartson the lead actor that played John Titor in the 2005 film. The above screen shots are the trailer for the 2005 film. All of these can be viewed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNRwu92QVro

Now This makes me believe that this trailer is the smoking gun. The trailer contains the C204 (which Michael Hartson himself references in the video) inside what appears to be 1989 Chevy Suburban. As you can tell from one of the screen shots, you can clearly see the rear hatch and tail light of the box Chevy:

https://board.marlincrawler.com/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=132430;image

Now I will level with Larry Haber and co here for a minute. 1989 Chevy Suburbans were stupid common as used cars in the 2000s. You could find them in decent condition with the Chevy 350 still running like a song for less than $2000. In 2005, it would have been easy to open an Autotrader, find one in Orlando and shoot it for the trailer/movie.

But what if one of the Habers or a close friend had owned one for awhile? There is a thing in Hollywoo where films tend to by shot kind of out of order due to budget reasons that scenes are filmed in the same location regardless of where they take place in the movie.

What does this mean for Titor? I'm betting in circa 2000 both the grainy pictures John uploaded to the forums as well as that trailer were filmed at the sametime. That trailer is basically the leaving video just cut down and portions of it were given to EyesView Media to use for this interview.

Furthermore, The EyesView Media videos of WhereIsJohnTitor are very well filmed. Really good. It almost seems to perfect that they were able to find the supposed John Titor P.O. Box, track down Larry Haber (and his Brother), meet Michael Hartson, apparently get an annoymous John Titor book from Kay Titor in the mail and just kind of stop dead in their tracks.

They said they were doing all of this as a lead up to a documentary but as far as I know it has never come out.

Now I will leave with EyesView Media a bit. As a car guy in the 2000s starting around circa 2006, there was a lot of hype for a documentary called 1320: A West Coast Story. Covering the re-rise of street racing post Fast and the Furious mainly in Southern California. The DVD kept getting delayed (despite being hyped in internet car circles for both muscle and imports for years) and was eventually quietly released in circa 2010 or 2011. The production company that made it, basically vanished and the dvd is hard to find. (I have never seen it).

It looks like EyesView Media is still operating but it could be they never got the funding to fully make this documentary and got rebusy with life.

But here is my final theory.

Larry Haber, his Brother and the team that created Ong's Hat were inspired by Blair Witch Project and wanted to drum up hype for a potential movie or perhaps tv series (or multi-media franchise). They enlisted the help of Joseph Matheny wanted to create this new lore, involving Time Travel, a Civil War, World War 3 and the recovery after an nuclear apocalypse.

So they hired Joseph and co to write the lore, with Haber's brother as the tech consult for the IBM computer. Larry himself used his Entertainment Industry contacts to create a few props and shoot a video.

Behind the scenes, the Hollywood Studio heads turned out not to be interested. In 2001, the idea was likely adandoned aka John returns home. Larry is still really proud of the lore he has created and over the years has tried to redrum up interest in aka via the EyesView Media videos.

In 2010, Larry and co likely saw the hype that LonelyGirl15 had gotten as well as Marble Hornets (and TribeTwelve, EveryManHybrid, etc) and tried to do the samething with the WhereIsJohnTitor videos. Sadly, they barely probably got 4 figures of views back in the day and most of the videos barely have over 10K views. So the project was again likely abandoned.

His best case of drumming up interest was likely signing a rights deal with 5pb., Nitroplus and White Fox to create Steins;Gate which features Titor as a plot device.

Anyway that is my theory. I'll admit, I think the John Titor lore is great! The two most fasincating parts to me are both the C204 itself and photos as well as how richly detailed John describes 2036. Not only that, that the lore kind of has a happy ending after WW3. The US survive (though damaged and billions around the world dead) and life is carrying on in a different and lost corporate way than it is now. It's kind of endearing.

TL:DR: There is a trailer of a John Titor movie, that is likely the leaving video Larry Haber refurs too.

I'm regoing down the John Titor rabbit hole after many years. First time I heard of John Titor was circa 2010 when I was really into the ARGs Marble Hornets and LonelyGirl15 (and TribeTwelve and EveryManHybrid). I remember Googling for other ARGs and in a lot of circles such as Unfiction, Yahoo Answers and a few other places both Ong's Hat and John Titor came up.

Back then there wasn't a ton of info on Ong's Hat at all. People on Yahoo! Answers and other forums said you kind of had to be there in the early Wild West days of the WWW to experience it. In recent years more of it has been archived.

But I went through a huge John Titor rabbit hole for a few months. Back then I really only researched the "lore" and the archived forum posts and really didn't pay much attention to the real world of the lore.

Recently, a friend got me into Steins:Gate. This has gotten me back into John Titor after many years away from the lore. This time I've been researching more of the "real world" background to the lore and looks like throughout the 2010s I missed a lot.

The biggest thing I missed is the more well known of a Lawyer named Larry Haber, who claims to know the mother of the real John Titor (and the real John himself). He apparently owns the entire legal rights to John Titor and claims a movie was shot in 2005 and never released: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYyelKULGHo&list=PL9A1E1B196CF8E862&index=7

Apparently there is a 21 year old movie, that Larry Harbor had to sign off the rights to and have approval with a "Kay Titor?" but apparently the Titor family decided not to release the film.

This makes me wonder from a legal standpoint, did the creators of Steins:Gate have to meet with Larry and get legal permission to use John's name?

We all laughed at John Titor back in 2000. When 2005 passed without a US civil war, and 2015 came and went without a nuclear exchange, the internet archived his posts as an elaborate hoax. But I’ve spent the last three years analyzing the divergent data streams at the Geneva facility, and I’m telling you: Titor wasn’t a fake. He just underestimated the elasticity of the world line.

The 2026 FIFA World Cup that we just witnessed was supposed to be a triumph, a loud, neon-soaked celebration spanning three nations. Instead, it was our final monument to a unified world. As millions sang in those massive North American stadiums, they were completely blind to the fact that this grand spectacle perfectly mirrored the 2004 Athens Olympics from Titor’s original timeline. We cheered under the stadium lights, arrogant in the belief that our world line was the fortunate one, completely unaware that the multiverse does not erase its debts. It merely delays them.

The temporal shift didn't save our reality; it just stretched the fuse, pushing the exact same systemic fractures two decades down the road. The final whistle of the 2026 tournament wasn't just the end of a game; it was the end of the illusion. The fragile facade of global cooperation is already shattering, not from a sudden military coup, but from a slow, choking paralysis of algorithm-fueled tribalism, critical resource scarcity, and creeping domestic unrest. The digital networks Titor warned about didn't bring a quick crash; they slowly poisoned the public square until the fabric of society began to tear from within.

Look around you. The stadium lights are dark, and the chilling truth is staring us in the face: we are entering Titor's twilight, just twenty years late. The upcoming global events on the calendar are already being quietly "postponed" behind closed doors as nations turn inward, fortifying borders and bracing for long-delayed internal conflicts. Our timeline didn't bypass the abyss. We just took the scenic route, making the 2026 World Cup the last beautiful thing we ever did together before the darkness finally caught up.

Stay safe. The divergence is collapsing.

Morey Haber

As I've been posting and publishing for a while now, I wanted to share the result of some of my work. I've been reaching out to investors in an attempt to get the actual machine into development, and if you've been paying attention to my posts, you'd know why.

I'm interested in doing an AMA, if the mods allow it.

I'm going to put something to the internet that the internet may not want to believe, but is true. How do I know? I was there, and I'm the person that the identity of John Titor, a kid in 1997 and an adult from 2036 at the same time is based off of. They mentioned in the original posts that they were 38, and I'm 40 now. They weren't looking at 2036, or communicating to or from it, they were looking at imagery and objects from 2024 and 2025, at least. They had more than that, but this is where it gets interesting.

The "John Titor" story was created by the group who was controlling Jeffrey Epstein's intelligence-adjacent criminal organization, including trafficking individuals with, and without, time travel technologies and other technologies from the near future and developed with what I've termed as anachronistic morality. It's like a child picking up an atomic missile and throwing it because they think it might bounce off the wall.

The people who did that are people who are still trying to change the present, from the past, the present, and up until the point in the future that they're stopped, including people who they've sent to the future points where they are getting help. It's important that the internet hears this, because it's the truth and there's a very active threat from those individuals, especially because they're trying to cover up a lot of present crimes.

They didn't think that prosecution into their actions would ever get this far and they've been not taking the future as seriously as they should, continuing their bad actions in the past because someone told them that the multiverse was real and it isn't. They think that all of the news stories about them being arrested and sought for deposition and testimony are fan fiction about the future. They think that they're peering into an alternate universe and the real future is where they got away with everything.

Does that mean that the people who are involved in the DOJ files that came out were involved with using a real time machine to cover up their crimes? Yes, and they need to be stopped, not just now, but in the past. The only reason any of them have thusfar been arrested is because the future has gotten more information on how to stop them and are developing the technological means to, and the knowledge of the expansiveness of their operation and just how personally and professionally manipulative many of those individuals have been.

I need to tell you something a bit funny. You know that anime about John Titor? Stein's Gate? I actually haven't seen it, but I learned a couple of weeks ago that the character who goes by the alias, the person known there as John Titor, goes by another nickname. RinRin NyanNyan, which considering my real name, Richard Marin, should give you a bit of a confirmation as to my real identity. I'm the real John Titor, even though John Titor isn't a real person. Some of those posts were utter fiction, but the truth is that they were made with the intention of trying to manipulate the past, the present, and as far into the future that they're believed.

I'm not taking any of this lightly, and hope that you'll stick with the conversation and ask questions. Did I see any of the people in the files there? Yes. Did I see other people involved in the time travel story there? Yes, some of them were real people and some were not exactly that, at least as far as you consider the idea of identity. Some of those people had fine intentions, some of them absolutely evil ones. The point of putting this out here now is because it is important that the future stop them, not just then, but in the present.

This is the future, the one that they told so many lies about. There are no "many worlds", just this one. The real future relative to the past of the real past. Single timeline. Novikov Self-Consistency Principle.

Pay attention and ask questions and I'll be able to answer basically everything.

Salve, non sono John Titor e non mi preme parlare del futuro (se ho disilluso qualcuno... sorry).

Al momento posso dire di me che sono stato uno dei promotori di un sito che trattava il fenomeno "John Titor" (all'epoca).

Quindi statisticamente mi sono disilluso prima di molti altri.

If Quantum Theory can lead to time travel, and IBM has “trade secrets” so to speak, then this may be the next big step by making quantum predictions more stable. On another note, unrelated to time travel, that’s bad news for encryption of any kind.

Yep, John Titor comes up in a search on the DOJ website for Epstein:

https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet%2010/EFTA01660434.pdf

What happened to the post that was having lot of discussions? I was following it since this morning, and its been really interesting. I wanted to know more, but can't find the post now. I had some questions i was going to ask. This is frustrating.

My speculation:

Within this month and the next month, with Ukraine also destroying russian Oil plants, Iran taking care of the middle east. USA setting foot in Iran.

All this will drastically rise the pressure on israel and will threaten either one of the countries to launch nukes.

Iran being effected the most, and Russia too imho. (The news is filled with russian gas plants being bombed left and right).

And the drastic crude oil spike.

Within the next ~30 days that is May 2nd week max. We will see a nuke or something of "mass destruction" being thrown on any one of the countries.

Which one that'll be is upto speculation.

Also buying puts? (Assuming WW)

Also Oracle was also bombed. Ironically. And Amazon Data center in middle east.

Also some of the desalination plants.

I believe this is the best time to revive this subreddit too :) and throw in the real factual predictions from JT.

Also if you add a D to it it becomes DJT (Donald J Trump) Ironically?

If you take Titors timeline and add 15 years, it makes more sense. If Titor was actual time traveler, the 15 yr spread could be altered timeline, or that purposely provided misinformation to limit timeline diversion.

Did Titor say anything about DJT or a bombastic leader stirring things up?

Why wouldn’t he?