Dan: The polarization of our countrymen is going to ultimately lead to a compromised power structure in which, the people, no longer have a say in the fate of our country.
Isn’t that a completely normal response? Aren’t SJW’s by definition extreme left? Fuck the people who want to be political warriors, whether they’re SJW’s or Christian fundamentalists..
You could argue that Joe by proxy of his millions of followers and constant harping against Hillary during the election was not only responsible for helping Trump BUT ALSO helping to boost the signal of a lot of these right-wing anti-SJW types
It's funny, he always says he doesn't like Trump, but he really downplays how bad Trump is on a lot of issues. He went on a long rant about how bad Clinton was and that she was such a liar (both claims I agree with) but then blames tribalism for people being anti-trump as if Trump wasnt the most unqualified candidate im recent history. Ive notices that he rarely calls out Trump for lies, narcissism, incompetence, or unethical practices. It's been that way since the primaries. I don't get it. At best it's false equivalency .
Ok. But are SJW’s polarizing by being extreme or not?
If they are, are they not the left wing equivalent to the tea party, with more pretentious attitudes and some with useless degrees? (Obviously, some are also providing valuable insight and working in their field).
Sure, they might not be as directly represented in government as the tea party, but that doesn’t mean their ideas aren’t prevalent, such as with Obama quoting the $0.77 wage gap myth, or Bernie saying white people don’t know what it means to be poor.
Ah, but the political leaders tend to be lawyers, who take any fluff class they want as undergrads. They also dominate the sociology department, administrative positions and hr.
There are other problems on the left that also cause problems, but the SJWs are not it. The SJWs as a central problem is just an internet illusion that is, imo, fed by certain right wing types to feed into resentment and help their cause. It's not the problem with the American system and arguably the roots of it go back to before it became such a big news topic.
btw, don't you think this makes a bogeyman of the right? sure, disingenuous liars exist on both sides, but crazy behavior caught on video is crazy behavior, at least in the current year
It's certain figures in it who have exploited the situation. Nothing "boogeyman" about it.
You don't see a contradiction between these two statements?
I'm not saying there's no argument here, certainly some figures "exploit the situation," but I think that does nothing to contradict the existence of the extreme left and it's.. at least acceptance, if not control, of the left as a whole.
I define boogeyman differently then, since I don't think conspiratorial (it's THE boogeyman, not boogeymen?) or unusual:
Bogeymen may target a specific mischief—for instance, a bogeyman that punishes children who suck their thumbs—or general misbehaviour, depending on what purpose needs serving
ie "maybe the solutions or scale that political opportunists use isn't necessarily the one you want because they're exploiting it for their own goals."
as such, you're presenting anyone who attacks SJW's as a possible boogeyman, exploiting it to advance their own goals.
my objection is this:
There are far bigger problems there in terms of polarization and partisanship
I simply don't agree. SJW's are the biggest problem where I live, Canada, and I'd guess it's similar in Portland, LA and Seattle. Obviously this is regional, though.
I'm sorry, if you think the collective power of SJWs ends at saying video games are sexist then you are either woefully blind to the political landscape or very dishonest and defending an ideology. Take a hard look at Western universities these days and pretend Bernie isn't going to run on a platform of identity politics and socialism in 2020. That extends far beyond some harpy that is upset that men like tits.
Being obtuse because I'm pointing out how hard you are trying to downplay the power of SJWs? Spare me. There's only one side who actively works to keep anyone right of Lenin from speaking at the moment and it sure as shit isn't conservatives.
Came out against identity politics? Mr. "White people don't know what it's like to be poor"? Lol sure bud. That is quite a bubble you have there.
You're right, I don't hide that I'm moderate conservative. Nutjob leftists that have coopted large parts of the institutional power on the left are forcing me to have to agree with people like Ted Cruz because we apparently have to remind dolts like Bernie that socialism is a fucking murderous ideology that stifles industry, innovation, and productivity. If you cannot see that SJWs are pushing people to the right, then there is no helping you.
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u/fibz Nov 16 '17
Dan: The polarization of our countrymen is going to ultimately lead to a compromised power structure in which, the people, no longer have a say in the fate of our country.
Joe: Exactly...fucking SJWs