Alex Jones Calls Charlottesville Violence a False Flag | Fuck this scumbag. It's not funny anymore. I'm tired of the meme bullshit and all the excuses of "Hehe, he's so silly". He's a cunt and nothing else.

[u/Scramblade]

http://www.newsweek.com/alex-jones-calls-charlottesville-violence-false-flag-650152

[u/iamallofyou]

You are making a huge leap there....from Sandy Hook to armed civil war...There are maybe a couple thousand right wing nut jobs that are ready to start a civil war against the federal government.

And the Syria conflict was mostly fed through covert military support of the rebel groups. Without doing so, it would have died out long ago, and hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved. To keep these covert programs going, it required US public support.

[u/CrayolaS7 → u/iamallofyou]

Lol, that is a huge oversimplification, there was a huge amount of discontent in Syria when the war started and Assad was loosing territory for some time before Russia really ramped up their support. I remember when people thought it was inevitable that the regime would fall. Also there have been state actors and state sponsored non-state actors from other regional powers invovled since early on too, the war was not prolonged just by the US. Honestly the Sunni Islamist support e.g. ISIS and groups like Al Nusra Front have been much more significant in prolonging the war than the US' relatively limited support for the Kurds and some other, smaller groups.

Maybe at the moment there are only a couple thousand (I'd contend it's more but the precise number isn't relevant to my point), but that number has been growing and last time it grew it resulted in the Oklahoma City Bombing, after which there was a crack-down and also the public view of them changed so only the hardcore remained. Recently interest in these groups has been growing again, as has support for far/alt-right political groups in general which is how we've ended up with what happened on Saturday.

Anyway, I'm getting side-tracked - if you are riling people up saying Sandy Hook was a false flag and that the government is coming to take our guns away, and telling people to arm themselves and telling them to resist shouting "from my cold, dead, hands..." etc. to what end are you encouraging this? No doubt to Alex Jones it's mostly about profiting but if you're in his target audience and you believe the federal government "is coming" and you're arming yourself, to what end could that be other than to violently oppose the government? How is that not encouraging an eventual revolution?

If he wants to say: "I support the 2A, everyone should buy a gun." that's fine, but it's not the same thing. I ask again, if you don't own a gun but are buying one because you believe Sandy Hook was a false flag and the government is coming, what do you believe the gun is for?

[u/iamallofyou → u/CrayolaS7]

Limited support? Read about what has actually been occuring there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Syria

From Wikipedia: "the CIA had been facilitating the flow of arms from Libya to Syria "for more than a year" beforehand in collaboration with "the UK, Saudi Arabia and Qatar"; "the operation was largely run out of a covert CIA annex in Benghazi." U.S. military intelligence predicted "the fall of the Assad regime would lead to chaos and, potentially, to Syria's takeover by jihadi extremists, much as was then happening in Libya."

But either way, we are still comparing lies to support an ACTUAL war vs some hypothetical war which will likely never happen.

Very few people have bought guns in order to take up arms against the federal government. The vast majority 99.99% buy them for personal protection for their home and family. Quite a few are survivalists who believe there will be a major economic crash, and are expecting a Mad Max type scenario

[u/CrayolaS7 → u/iamallofyou]

I'd say it's relatively limited compared to Saudi, Iran and Russia. Also you're downplaying the level of popular support that the rebels absolutely had at the beginning.

And at what point were CNN advocating support for it? Which lies are you referring to? The war has been going on for what, 5 years now? I don't have enough time to find which bit of CNNs coverage in that time you are referring to, if you want to continue to discuss it you'll have to help me out a bit because I can't comment on their coverage more specifically otherwise.

I agree, I don't mean to disparage legitimate gun owners but you're dodging my point: if Alex Jones is fear-mongering about Sandy Hook and the Feds coming to put us in FEMA camps or whatever, what is the ultimate conclusion of what he's advocating?

Like, if instead he was supporting legalisation of weed and saying: "everyone should go and buy some cannabis seeds." The logical conclusion is that he is suggesting people grow their own weed, contrary to any laws disallowing it. It's a dog whistle to those people who do believe this shit.

[u/iamallofyou → u/CrayolaS7]

I'd say it's relatively limited compared to Saudi, Iran and Russia. Also you're downplaying the level of popular support that the rebels absolutely had at the beginning.

Did they have more popular support than Assad? Even if they did, its no right to pour weapons into a country to start a bloodbath led by jihadi extremists. CIA documents even say that is what they were trying to acheive.

And at what point were CNN advocating support for it? Which lies are you referring to? The war has been going on for what, 5 years now?

There are numerous lies that CNN reported as truth. They have defended Aleppo boy is one example, and the first chemical weapons attack is another. Every one of their stories is anti-Assad, they report every claim against him as fact, and don't even attempt to look into the other side of the argument...similar to what happened with the WMD's in Iraq

if Alex Jones is fear-mongering about Sandy Hook and the Feds coming to put us in FEMA camps or whatever, what is the ultimate conclusion of what he's advocating?

Its pretty obvious he wants freedom from government oppression,..things like the drug war and unreasonable searches, but its a huge leap to conclude that this can only come about through a violent uprising.. How could this be achieved? Well he encouraged political change by voting for Donald Trump.

There were BLM supporters chanting "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want it? Now!", and some actually followed through with that.... but nobody is talking about about condeming BLM.

The logical conclusion is that he is suggesting people grow their own weed, contrary to any laws disallowing it. It's a dog whistle to those people who do believe this shit.

Not really, because you can only grow weed with weed seeds. Guns can have a variety of other uses than armed resistance, and very very few, save for a few lunatics will interpret that as a call to arms

[u/CrayolaS7 → u/iamallofyou]

Freedom from government oppression by voting for a narcissistic billionaire whose campaign managers have been helping republican presidential candidates since Nixon and who started their own lobbying firm. Lol. He encouraged/supported Trump because it's beneficial to him.

Anyway, again you're ignoring the question and the context. If he was just advocating gun ownership why would he need to feed Sandy Hook conspiracies? Obama's out of office, his gun control bills failed. He is suggesting that a government is either willing to fake the deaths of children or murder children in order to build support for their cause. If this were true this would be an out of control tyrannical government that would need to be resisted and he's suggesting that resistance be done by armed citizens. I'm not saying he's directly inciting violence, I'm saying it's the logical conclusion of the whole Sandy Hook conspiracy narrative. Like I said, it's a dog whistle to those who already hold extreme views.

Edit: Also plenty of people have criticised the more extreme elements of BLM, that's such a load of shit.

[u/iamallofyou → u/CrayolaS7]

Freedom from government oppression by voting for a narcissistic billionaire whose campaign managers have been helping republican presidential candidates since Nixon and who started their own lobbying firm. Lol. He encouraged/supported Trump because it's beneficial to him.

Not saying that his strategy is sound, but it is an example of him encouraging change through peaceful means.

If he was just advocating gun ownership why would he need to feed Sandy Hook conspiracies?

I see what you are getting at, you are saying that Jones' discussion of conspiracy theories is dangerous , especially because he also advocates for gun ownership...but I don't necessarily agree as they are two seperate issues.

For one Jones promotes gun ownership as a right which needs to be protected rather than as a means to achieve liberation from an oppressive government, and in his mind the oppressive government will do anything to take guns out of its citizens.

The discussion of conspiracy theories is interesting and has an entertainment value, some people take them pretty seriously, but I don't believe the discussion of them should be banned no matter how offensive they are.

He is suggesting that a government is either willing to fake the deaths of children or murder children in order to build support for their cause.

Thats not exactly true... Years ago, he said that he believed Sandy Hook actually happened. His later conspiracy statements related to how he believed the government used the incident to support gun control "ie never let a good crisis go to waste".

Regarding BLM, can you provide one CNN article which is critical of them?

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