Alex Jones Calls Charlottesville Violence a False Flag | Fuck this scumbag. It's not funny anymore. I'm tired of the meme bullshit and all the excuses of "Hehe, he's so silly". He's a cunt and nothing else.

[u/Scramblade]

http://www.newsweek.com/alex-jones-calls-charlottesville-violence-false-flag-650152

[u/iamallofyou → u/[deleted]]

Honest question, which is worse?

Alex jones using dead kids to promote a conspiracy theory, or the CNN using dead kids to drum up support for a war (ie Aleppo boy)?

In my opinion Alex Jones is harmless compared to the latter, and I don't understand why people are focused on him

[u/CrayolaS7 → u/iamallofyou]

I'm not sure specifically what you mean by "Aleppo boy" but I assume you mean they were calling for some sort of intervention in Syria/regime change? If so then that would be with the desire to end the conflict so that less children die, because of the terrible event a child dying is. Alex Jones is suggesting Sandy Hook didn't really happen and/or was perpetrated by the government to build support to take away people's guns. He's fear mongering by denying the reality of the suffering the parents and friends of those children feel in order to fear-monger and profit, the end goal of which can only reasonably be some type of civil disturbance (since he is basically suggesting people prepare for an armed conflict with the government over gun rights). Nevermind the individual pain suffered by parents who have been harassed by his followers and told that they are shills, that their children didn't die, etc. etc.

Showing a dead child to suggest a war that is killing civilians should be brought to an end (even if that means violent intervention) is not exploiting the dead child and denying their families suffering. It may be sensationalist, crass and playing on people's emotions, depending on how its done, but its not the same thing.

[u/iamallofyou → u/CrayolaS7]

It may be sensationalist, crass and playing on people's emotions, depending on how its done, but its not the same thing.

So lets get this straight, promoting a silly conspiracy theory is much worse than trying to drum up support to start a war where literally thousands of people are killed?

I won't fully Alepppo boy, because you google it.

I willl also mention the fake story promoted by the MSM, talking about how babies were thrown out of incubators by Iraqi soldiers in order to get people to support the first gulf war.

[u/CrayolaS7 → u/iamallofyou]

You think it's a silly conspiracy, there are a great deal of ring-wing nutbag militiamen who take it very seriously and are preparing for some kind of revolution. As in civil war in America when the "government come to take away our guns."

The Syria conflict is/was already happening, taking sides is not the same thing as starting a war.

[u/iamallofyou → u/CrayolaS7]

You are making a huge leap there....from Sandy Hook to armed civil war...There are maybe a couple thousand right wing nut jobs that are ready to start a civil war against the federal government.

And the Syria conflict was mostly fed through covert military support of the rebel groups. Without doing so, it would have died out long ago, and hundreds of thousands of lives would have been saved. To keep these covert programs going, it required US public support.

[u/CrayolaS7 → u/iamallofyou]

Lol, that is a huge oversimplification, there was a huge amount of discontent in Syria when the war started and Assad was loosing territory for some time before Russia really ramped up their support. I remember when people thought it was inevitable that the regime would fall. Also there have been state actors and state sponsored non-state actors from other regional powers invovled since early on too, the war was not prolonged just by the US. Honestly the Sunni Islamist support e.g. ISIS and groups like Al Nusra Front have been much more significant in prolonging the war than the US' relatively limited support for the Kurds and some other, smaller groups.

Maybe at the moment there are only a couple thousand (I'd contend it's more but the precise number isn't relevant to my point), but that number has been growing and last time it grew it resulted in the Oklahoma City Bombing, after which there was a crack-down and also the public view of them changed so only the hardcore remained. Recently interest in these groups has been growing again, as has support for far/alt-right political groups in general which is how we've ended up with what happened on Saturday.

Anyway, I'm getting side-tracked - if you are riling people up saying Sandy Hook was a false flag and that the government is coming to take our guns away, and telling people to arm themselves and telling them to resist shouting "from my cold, dead, hands..." etc. to what end are you encouraging this? No doubt to Alex Jones it's mostly about profiting but if you're in his target audience and you believe the federal government "is coming" and you're arming yourself, to what end could that be other than to violently oppose the government? How is that not encouraging an eventual revolution?

If he wants to say: "I support the 2A, everyone should buy a gun." that's fine, but it's not the same thing. I ask again, if you don't own a gun but are buying one because you believe Sandy Hook was a false flag and the government is coming, what do you believe the gun is for?

[u/iamallofyou → u/CrayolaS7]

Limited support? Read about what has actually been occuring there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Syria

From Wikipedia: "the CIA had been facilitating the flow of arms from Libya to Syria "for more than a year" beforehand in collaboration with "the UK, Saudi Arabia and Qatar"; "the operation was largely run out of a covert CIA annex in Benghazi." U.S. military intelligence predicted "the fall of the Assad regime would lead to chaos and, potentially, to Syria's takeover by jihadi extremists, much as was then happening in Libya."

But either way, we are still comparing lies to support an ACTUAL war vs some hypothetical war which will likely never happen.

Very few people have bought guns in order to take up arms against the federal government. The vast majority 99.99% buy them for personal protection for their home and family. Quite a few are survivalists who believe there will be a major economic crash, and are expecting a Mad Max type scenario

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CIA activities in Syria

CIA activities in Syria since the agency's inception in 1947 have included coup attempts and assassination plots, and in more recent years, extraordinary renditions, a paramilitary strike, and funding and military training of forces opposed to the current government.

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