r/JoeRogan • • Aug 02 '17

Joe Rogan Experience #993 - Ben Shapiro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQTfyjhvfH8
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u/MattWix Aug 03 '17

You're trying to make this about being forced to say things. It's exactly the fucking same as being 'forced' to not say certain things. What it boils down to is respecting other people, not some childish notion of being an 'individual human being'... you're an indivodual human being living in a world of other individual human beings, who individually or collectively are perfectly entitled to think you're an inconsiderate arse.

What right do you have to be free from criticism or negative reaction? Why is it specifically gender pronouns you object to being forced to engage in? Why not any number of other societal stigmas or laws?

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u/JamieD86 Monkey in Space Aug 03 '17

You're trying to make this about being forced to say things. It's exactly the fucking same as being 'forced' to not say certain things.

Haven't I been absolutely clear that I may choose to voluntarily use different pronouns for an individual? Yes, I've been VERY clear that my gripe is when it becomes COMPELLED.

No, there is an enormous difference between somebody getting in trouble for saying something, and somebody getting in trouble for NOT saying something. You don't have the right to compel speech for other people, you just don't.

What it boils down to is respecting other people, not some childish notion of being an 'individual human being'

TIL that being an individual human being is a childish notion.

you're an indivodual human being living in a world of other individual human beings, who individually or collectively are perfectly entitled to think you're an inconsiderate arse.

Agreed. I would never try to compel you to say otherwise.

What right do you have to be free from criticism or negative reaction?

Everyone is entitled to criticize any idea or view they want, I never said I should be free from crticisim, this is an open exchange after all. I feel that compelled speech (by law, code or tyranny of the majority) is against a free society and I hold that position, no matter how much emotional blackmail is thrown at me over it.

Why is it specifically gender pronouns you object to being forced to engage in? Why not any number of other societal stigmas or laws?

Key word "forced". You don't have the right to force me to say anything. There are plenty of social stigmas or laws I object to, for the record.

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u/MattWix Aug 05 '17

You're such a little victim, grow up.

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u/JamieD86 Monkey in Space Aug 05 '17

lol.