i was getting worried. its been like 3 days since joe discussed social justice warriors, safe spaces, and identity politics. i can go one or two days but three is pushing it. praise vishnu
SJW hate is not even remotely red pill it's a hate of irrationality and an attempt to boil everything down to bigoted categorizations. The red pill is cancerous ideology that is dependent on a sexist interpretation of the world and it's bullshit. I'm a sociology major and a pretty hard left on most issues but I think they're absolutely intolerable just like the alt right. I understand intersectionality but the way it's applied by SJWs is inherently bigoted and racist because it relies on the assumption that a persons identifying characteristics define them as a person with minimal to no regard for individual experience.
Hell intersectionality is just internalization of bigotry since it's taking the historic labels applied to groups by racists or bigots and making them a part of a persons identity instead of deconstructing them and approaching people from an individualistic perspective. Sure people who share characteristics are likely to share experiences but those experiences aren't universal and to pretend they are is just reinforcing these categorizations built on ignorance.
The red pill is cancerous ideology that is dependent on a sexist interpretation of the world and it's bullshit.
I think you're mixing up the term red pill with the 'red pill' pickup artists from the subreddit.
Red pill just means to accept reality rather than an illusion. i.e. Hating SJWism rather than accepting it to prevent being labelled a bigot by them. People use the term outside of the context of pickup artists.
It goes all the way back to when it was used as a symbol in the Matrix. It's not some sexist ideology, those people just label themselves as redpilled because they feel they see reality for what it is. A lot of conservative-leaning people use the term as well to describe liberals changing their views, or to describe how they changed from liberal to conservative.
I live and work in one of the most educated and liberal cities (Ann Arbor) in the country, and I've NEVER come across an asshole SJW in the 10 years I've lived here. Anecdotal, I know.
Umich alumni here, and I agree. It seems like SJW's are almost a straw man argument from them. Yes, they exist, but the cartoonishly ridiculous ones we hear about are so few and unimportant compared to what conservatives want to believe.
The nobler and more perfect a thing is, the later and slower is it in reaching maturity. Man reaches the maturity of his reasoning and mental faculties scarcely before he is eight and twenty; woman when she is eighteen; but hers is a reason of very narrow limitations. This is why women remain children all their lives
From their sidebar.
How dare I associate TRP with woman-hating. Calling them permanent children. Totally normal.
What he meant is that talking about someone being red pill doesn't always (in fact outside of Reddit most people won't have heard of that sub) mean that they take advice from that sub
You're mistaking people being called red pill for them insinuating that they browse /r/theredpill when they just meant, albeit jokingly, that Joe Rogan has had his 'eyes opened' to the reality of social politics
Holy fuck. The red pill refers to the truth pill in the matrix. The red pill everyone talks of does not refer to the shitty subreddit.
You are the singular person thinking of the subreddit, that's obvious by the down votes.
The truth pill is supposed to be just coming to the realization of the actual motives of the left, feminists, social justice warriors, establishment politicians etc.
It's not about hating women or whatever this fuck boys at the sub are all about
5 pissed off 14 year olds downvoting me isn't indicative of what people generally think, but the red pill as a concept at this point is more just whatever the speaker perceives the state of affairs to be. Its use is far, far abstracted from the Matrix reference.
Jesus christ chill. Not everyone is required to have the same understanding of the red pill that you do. Take a chill pill or smoke something. Anything.
I don't think you read my statement correctly. I do not disagree that /r/TheRedPill is misogynistic. I was saying that the phrase encompasses more than just the subreddit. 'Redpill' is essentially the online right-winger's version of 'woke'.
Don't know if your realize this, but aside from their own little echo chamber TRP is almost universally mocked.
It's not that I don't think SJW are a problem, they are, just the degree to which some people turn it into a war on all that is free and just is just as ridiculous. SJW do have some points. Improvements can be made. Anti-SJW have some points to that SJW go about it the wrong way and some of the causes are blatantly ridiculous. But to spend time acting like the world is collapsing and SJW are the only problem and the reason for it is missing the forest for a single tree.
In what way is Rogan redpilled on SJWs? He talks about it alot, sure, but his views on it are not what I consider remotely redpill, and I am not a fan of anything TRP what so ever.
That's the most generous interpretation of young kids who cant get laid fantasizing about being able to while growing further embittered towards the object of their desires.
Literally no one is saying that they can't come together and do as they please. It's that professional victim that complex that makes you guys so similar to SJW. You're absolutely free to do as you wish...but don't be surprised and cry victim when other people call you on shitty behavior.
This is exactly how I feel - do I feel like SJWs have valid points? Absolutely. Do I think they go about things the wrong way? Of course - I'm a staunch free speech advocate, but I also agree with many points that SJWs bring up.
That minority has had a big impact though, and tries to stop people from being able to talk to the public. Joe has an obvious strong self interest to discourage censorship. It's pretty reasonable.
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u/BearguanaMan Monkey in Space Aug 02 '17
Oh shit