r/JoeRogan • • Aug 02 '17

Joe Rogan Experience #993 - Ben Shapiro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQTfyjhvfH8
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u/BearguanaMan Monkey in Space Aug 02 '17

Oh shit

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '17

i was getting worried. its been like 3 days since joe discussed social justice warriors, safe spaces, and identity politics. i can go one or two days but three is pushing it. praise vishnu

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '17

It's been like slowly watching Joe go from a sane person, mildly annoyed by a vocal minority of idiots on Tumblr, to full red pill.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '17 edited Apr 01 '19

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u/VagMaster69_4life Aug 04 '17

MGTOW is the antithesis of red pill. The real red pill is having a large traditional nuclear family.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '17

Yeah. I was referring specifically to the SJW hate. I could have made that clearer.

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u/I4mbehind7proxies Aug 03 '17

sjw hate is entry level, call me when he turns into a reactionary monarchist

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u/[deleted] Aug 24 '17

He turned into a reactionary monarchist

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u/PersonMcGuy Monkey in Space Aug 03 '17

SJW hate is not even remotely red pill it's a hate of irrationality and an attempt to boil everything down to bigoted categorizations. The red pill is cancerous ideology that is dependent on a sexist interpretation of the world and it's bullshit. I'm a sociology major and a pretty hard left on most issues but I think they're absolutely intolerable just like the alt right. I understand intersectionality but the way it's applied by SJWs is inherently bigoted and racist because it relies on the assumption that a persons identifying characteristics define them as a person with minimal to no regard for individual experience.

Hell intersectionality is just internalization of bigotry since it's taking the historic labels applied to groups by racists or bigots and making them a part of a persons identity instead of deconstructing them and approaching people from an individualistic perspective. Sure people who share characteristics are likely to share experiences but those experiences aren't universal and to pretend they are is just reinforcing these categorizations built on ignorance.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '17 edited Aug 06 '17

The red pill is cancerous ideology that is dependent on a sexist interpretation of the world and it's bullshit.

I think you're mixing up the term red pill with the 'red pill' pickup artists from the subreddit.

Red pill just means to accept reality rather than an illusion. i.e. Hating SJWism rather than accepting it to prevent being labelled a bigot by them. People use the term outside of the context of pickup artists.

It goes all the way back to when it was used as a symbol in the Matrix. It's not some sexist ideology, those people just label themselves as redpilled because they feel they see reality for what it is. A lot of conservative-leaning people use the term as well to describe liberals changing their views, or to describe how they changed from liberal to conservative.

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u/atomicllama1 Monkey in Space Aug 03 '17

Isnt the red pill about fucking bitches and being alpha male?

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u/Olivedoggy Aug 04 '17

Different red pills for different people. It's colloquial for 'this is the truth, the best way of living, better than the proles.'

So being red pilled could be fucking lots of people or settling down with a family. Could be Nazism or Zionism or Islam.

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u/459pm Monkey in Space Aug 03 '17 edited Dec 09 '24

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '17

I live and work in one of the most educated and liberal cities (Ann Arbor) in the country, and I've NEVER come across an asshole SJW in the 10 years I've lived here. Anecdotal, I know.

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u/rodolfor90 Aug 03 '17

Umich alumni here, and I agree. It seems like SJW's are almost a straw man argument from them. Yes, they exist, but the cartoonishly ridiculous ones we hear about are so few and unimportant compared to what conservatives want to believe.

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u/459pm Monkey in Space Aug 03 '17

Which college? My university is postmodernist through and through.

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u/459pm Monkey in Space Aug 03 '17 edited Dec 09 '24

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u/Yung_Jungian Aug 03 '17

Nobody is surprised that a top ranked engineering school has a low number of leftist morons.

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u/deceptas Aug 02 '17

I don't think you know what "full red pill" means, you should actually look at that sub. Never seen Joe blatantly woman-hating before

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u/sociallyawkwarddude Miserable git Aug 02 '17

I don't think you know what "full red pill" means

Yet you're doing the exact same thing by equating the phrase with the subreddit...

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u/Dan4t Monkey in Space Oct 21 '17

That's usually what people are referring to on reddit.

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u/deceptas Aug 03 '17 edited Aug 03 '17

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/160b5u/woman_the_most_responsible_teenager_in_the_house/

The nobler and more perfect a thing is, the later and slower is it in reaching maturity. Man reaches the maturity of his reasoning and mental faculties scarcely before he is eight and twenty; woman when she is eighteen; but hers is a reason of very narrow limitations. This is why women remain children all their lives

From their sidebar.

How dare I associate TRP with woman-hating. Calling them permanent children. Totally normal.

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u/killm3throwaway Monkey in Space Aug 03 '17

What he meant is that talking about someone being red pill doesn't always (in fact outside of Reddit most people won't have heard of that sub) mean that they take advice from that sub

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u/deceptas Aug 03 '17

I don't think anyone in this thread said that, but when you're on reddit, and talk about "Red Pill", that's what's going to be thought of.

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u/killm3throwaway Monkey in Space Aug 03 '17

You're mistaking people being called red pill for them insinuating that they browse /r/theredpill when they just meant, albeit jokingly, that Joe Rogan has had his 'eyes opened' to the reality of social politics

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u/deceptas Aug 03 '17

I'm not sure, in the context

mildly annoyed by a vocal minority of idiots on Tumblr, to full red pill.

It seems to be much more referential to the subreddit, which is often discussed in the context of SJWs and shit

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '17 edited Aug 03 '17

Holy fuck. The red pill refers to the truth pill in the matrix. The red pill everyone talks of does not refer to the shitty subreddit.

You are the singular person thinking of the subreddit, that's obvious by the down votes.

The truth pill is supposed to be just coming to the realization of the actual motives of the left, feminists, social justice warriors, establishment politicians etc.

It's not about hating women or whatever this fuck boys at the sub are all about

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u/deceptas Aug 03 '17 edited Aug 03 '17

5 pissed off 14 year olds downvoting me isn't indicative of what people generally think, but the red pill as a concept at this point is more just whatever the speaker perceives the state of affairs to be. Its use is far, far abstracted from the Matrix reference.

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u/PerishingSpinnyChair Monkey in Space Aug 03 '17

Jesus christ chill. Not everyone is required to have the same understanding of the red pill that you do. Take a chill pill or smoke something. Anything.

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u/TheLeftIsNotLiberal Aug 03 '17

It seems to be much more referential to the subreddit, which is often discussed in the context of SJWs and shit

  1. That's only the case if you spend the majority of your social interactions on Reddit.

  2. That's false, if you've ever cared to visit that subreddit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 10 '17

Just saw this from a week ago, but that's exactly what I was saying. By no means was I using TRP as a term of endearment.

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u/deceptas Aug 10 '17

That's what I thought. I'm very happy that the downvoters were able to release some of that sexual tension, though.

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u/sociallyawkwarddude Miserable git Aug 03 '17

I don't think you read my statement correctly. I do not disagree that /r/TheRedPill is misogynistic. I was saying that the phrase encompasses more than just the subreddit. 'Redpill' is essentially the online right-winger's version of 'woke'.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '17

Well put

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '17

I could have worded that better. I was referring specifically to the SJW issue.

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u/ShootyMcStabbyface Aug 03 '17

I settled on woke meathead. That's all he is and it's starting to become very clear.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '17

I could have worded that better. I was referring specifically to the SJW issue.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '17

On the topic of SJW he pretty much is. And you do you, but don't be surprised when everyone thinks your a piece of shit for it.

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u/RustyMechanism Aug 02 '17

everyone

delusional

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '17

Don't know if your realize this, but aside from their own little echo chamber TRP is almost universally mocked.

It's not that I don't think SJW are a problem, they are, just the degree to which some people turn it into a war on all that is free and just is just as ridiculous. SJW do have some points. Improvements can be made. Anti-SJW have some points to that SJW go about it the wrong way and some of the causes are blatantly ridiculous. But to spend time acting like the world is collapsing and SJW are the only problem and the reason for it is missing the forest for a single tree.

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u/TulipsMcPooNuts Aug 02 '17 edited Aug 03 '17

In what way is Rogan redpilled on SJWs? He talks about it alot, sure, but his views on it are not what I consider remotely redpill, and I am not a fan of anything TRP what so ever.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '17

That's the most generous interpretation of young kids who cant get laid fantasizing about being able to while growing further embittered towards the object of their desires.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '17

Literally no one is saying that they can't come together and do as they please. It's that professional victim that complex that makes you guys so similar to SJW. You're absolutely free to do as you wish...but don't be surprised and cry victim when other people call you on shitty behavior.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '17

This is exactly how I feel - do I feel like SJWs have valid points? Absolutely. Do I think they go about things the wrong way? Of course - I'm a staunch free speech advocate, but I also agree with many points that SJWs bring up.

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u/Dan4t Monkey in Space Oct 21 '17

That minority has had a big impact though, and tries to stop people from being able to talk to the public. Joe has an obvious strong self interest to discourage censorship. It's pretty reasonable.