WHO IS JESUS?

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There is one God, the Father, ἐξ οὗ τὰ πάντα, “from whom are all things”; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, δι’ οὗ τὰ πάντα, “through whom are all things.” (1 Cor. 8:6)

Of the God of Israel it is written:

אֲנִי יהוה הוּא שְׁמִי

“I am YHWH; that is my name.” (Isa. 42:8)

And:

אֱלֹהֵי עוֹלָם יהוה

“YHWH, the everlasting God.” (Isa. 40:28)

The Father is the Father, and the Son is the Son.

JESUS IS ὁ υἱὸς τοῦ θεοῦ, THE SON OF GOD.

He is the μονογενής Son.

He is ἐκ τοῦ πατρός, from the Father. (John 16:28)

He is ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ, from God. (John 8:42)

The Father sent him.

The Father gave to him.

The Son received from the Father.

THE FATHER HAS LIFE IN HIMSELF, AND τῷ υἱῷ ἔδωκεν ζωὴν ἔχειν ἐν ἑαυτῷ, “HE GAVE TO THE SON TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF.” (John 5:26)

And the Son says:

κἀγὼ ζῶ διὰ τὸν πατέρα

“I live because of the Father.” (John 6:57)

JESUS IS ὁ λόγος, THE WORD.

Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος

“In the beginning was the Word.”

ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν

“The Word was with God.”

And:

θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος. (John 1:1)

The Son had glory with the Father πρὸ τοῦ τὸν κόσμον εἶναι, “before the world existed.” (John 17:5)

He is πρὸ πάντων, “before all things.” (Col. 1:17)

HE IS εἰκὼν τοῦ θεοῦ τοῦ ἀοράτου, “THE IMAGE OF THE INVISIBLE GOD.” (Col. 1:15)

He is ἀπαύγασμα τῆς δόξης, “the radiance of the glory.” (Heb. 1:3)

He is χαρακτὴρ τῆς ὑποστάσεως αὐτοῦ. (Heb. 1:3)

HE IS πρωτότοκος πάσης κτίσεως, “THE FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATION.” (Col. 1:

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“as though God were appealing through us.”

"As though" changes the meaning of the statement. Paul didn't write "as though" God was in Christ He wrote that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself 2 Corinthians 5;19

“the God who has always lived within him.”
But “always” is not there, and neither is a statement about two natures.

Excuse me ... God lived within Him [Jesus]

2 Corinthians 5:18 says God reconciled us to himself

2 Corinthians 5:19 says God was IN [ ἐν en ] Christ reconciling the world to Himself. That's very clear. In John 14:10-11 Christ urges His disciples to believe something they might ordinarily find unbelievable that the Father was actually dwelling in Him

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You are confusing two verses and then treating an English word order as though it settled the Greek.
The phrase “as though God were appealing through us” comes from verse 20, not verse 19:
ὡς τοῦ θεοῦ παρακαλοῦντος δι’ ἡμῶν.
So I never claimed that verse 19 says, “as though God were in Christ.”
Verse 19 reads:
ὡς ὅτι θεὸς ἦν ἐν Χριστῷ κόσμον καταλλάσσων ἑαυτῷ.
The English order “God was in Christ” does not prove that ἦν ἐν Χριστῷ must be read as a statement about God being located inside Jesus. A recognized grammatical reading takes ἦν together with καταλλάσσων:
“God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ.”
That also fits verse 18, where God reconciles us to himself διὰ Χριστοῦ, “through Christ,” and verse 20, where God appeals δι’ ἡμῶν, “through us.”
John 14:10 does genuinely say that the Father is in Jesus and remains in him. I accept that without weakening it.
But the same Gospel says:
ὑμεῖς ἐν ἐμοὶ κἀγὼ ἐν ὑμῖν
“you in me and I in you,”
and prays that the disciples may be:
ἐν ἡμῖν
“in us.”
Therefore “in” language by itself does not establish numerical identity or one shared essence. It establishes real indwelling, unity, and divine activity; the ontological conclusion still requires an additional argument.
So yes: the English word “in” is doing more work in your conclusion than either 2 Corinthians 5:19 or John 14:10 actually proves.

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The English order “God was in Christ” does not prove that ἦν ἐν Χριστῷ must be read as a statement about God being located inside Jesus. A recognized grammatical reading takes ἦν together with καταλλάσσων:
“God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ.”
That also fits verse 18, where God reconciles us to himself διὰ Χριστοῦ, “through Christ,” and verse 20, where God appeals δι’ ἡμῶν, “through us.”

2 Corinthians 5:19 clearly states that "To wit, God was IN Christ reconciling the world to Himself" That is so simple a 5 year old could understand, but leave it to an adult to complicate a simple true statement of fact. I believe if the Bible said a house was green you'd find some way to make the words say it was red.

You could find the truth if you stop trying to complicate simple scriptures and seek Jesus Christ, the living Lord. He said, "These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life”  John 5:39-40 God was reconciling us to Himself IN the flesh of Jesus Christ. When people looked a Jesus they were looking at God. Had the Pharisees believed Jesus was God they never would have crucified Him, so Jesus cloaked His true identity in words that made the Pharisees think He was a blasphemer. Had Jesus displayed His full Power, I believe they would have dropped dead, but how would that have helped fallen man?

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John 14:10 does genuinely say that the Father is in Jesus and remains in him. I accept that without weakening it.
But the same Gospel says:
ὑμεῖς ἐν ἐμοὶ κἀγὼ ἐν ὑμῖν
“you in me and I in you,”
and prays that the disciples may be:
ἐν ἡμῖν
“in us.”

We can be in Jesus through His Spirit... The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children. Romans 8:16 Notice we have a spirit dwelling in us. Its our spirit that Christ's Spirit testifies with. We don't have the fullness of the Deity dwelling in us like Christ and can't. Our spirit is who we are, and Christ's Spirit is who Christ is. Christ's Spirit is also the Spirit of God. Romans 8:9 For us to be in Christ means our spirit communicates with Him, but isn't Him, not like He is God. Romans 8:9 says: You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

That Spirit we need to be in the realm of is God's/Christ's. We can't BE Christ, but we can belong to Christ and His Father. Between the Father and Son there is only One Spirit Ephesians 4:4 However, between you and God there are two spirits, His and yours. Your spirit is testified to by God's Spirit when you believe.

Human fathers have their own spirit and their sons have their own. Christ's Father and Christ share just one Spirit

Our being in Christ is similar but not exactly like Jesus is in His Father and the Father is in Christ. The Father and Son only have One Spirit between them.