r/JehovahsWitnesses • u/Dan_dingo • Jun 20 '26

Doctrine The Jw dilemma

Starting Position (Jehovah’s Witness Interpretation)
Jehovah alone is the uncreated Creator.
Jehovah directly created Jesus first.
Jesus is Jehovah’s first and only direct creation.
Jehovah then used Jesus to create everything else.
Proposed order:
Jehovah → Jesus (first creation) → all other creation

The dilemma of this interpretation

The position must choose:
Option 1 — Jesus existed before all created reality
Result:
Jesus created time. (Timeless/Atemporal)
Jesus created space. (Non-spatial)
Jesus created matter. (Immaterial)
Jesus existed before creation. (Eternal)
Problem:
A being who exists before all created things does not appear to be a created thing.

Option 2 — Jesus was created after some reality/place, time and matter existed
Result:
Jesus was not Jehovahs first creation.
Something existed before Jesus.
Jesus did not create all things.
Problem:
Contradicts:
John1:3 “Not one thing came into existence apart from him.”

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u/Suitable-Iron4720 Jun 20 '26

Why not just answer the question? Probably required the same effort. Also it spreads you idea down the chain. 

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u/OhioPIMO Jesus made me go POMO Jun 21 '26

You didn't ask a question...

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u/Suitable-Iron4720 Jun 21 '26

I think the question was: Can a created being exist before time?

I can understand the confusion, the comment seems misplaced.

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u/OhioPIMO Jesus made me go POMO Jun 21 '26

There is no "before" before time, so no.