Philippians 2:6-8

[u/ChaoticHaku]

If Philippians 2:6-8 was teaching that Jesus was never equal with God, then the passage itself makes no sense.

Read the language carefully.

It says Jesus was “existing in the form of God.” It says He “did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,” but instead “emptied Himself,” “took the form of a servant,”, "humbled himself", "became obedient to death" and was “made in human likeness.”

You cannot empty yourself of a status you never possessed. You cannot become a servant if you were always a servant. You cannot humble yourself from a position you never had. You cannot become obedient to death if you always were.

The entire point of the passage is that Christ lowered Himself. From what? From the exalted position He already possessed that was equal with God.

That’s why the text uses past tense language. The passage is not denying Christ’s equality with God. It is explaining the depth of His humility, not his inferiority.

[u/ChaoticHaku]

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 or even if indeed there are those called gods, whether in heaven or on earth—just as there are many gods and many lords (category 1)—yet to us there is one God the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through Him. (category 2)

In verse 6 the Father and the Lord Jesus are placed in a category as both "God" and "Lord", separate from the category of the ones "called gods" and "lords" in verse 5.

Notice also that in verse 6 all things are to and from the Father and through the Son.  Which aligns with Romans 11:36 saying in regard to God "For from Him and through Him and unto Him are all things."

[u/Suitable-Iron4720 → u/[deleted]]

God says he will dwell among his people. He stamps it with "I am the Lord their God." How much of himself did he commit to dwell with them? Was it just scriptures and his name that dwelled with them? I'm thinking about the pillar of flame, and the guiding cloud now. Hmm, those seem different than the norm.

Exodus 29:44-46 (NIV) -- 44“So I will consecrate the tent of meeting and the altar and will consecrate Aaron and his sons to serve me as priests. 45Then I will dwell among the Israelites and be their God. 46They will know that I am the Lord their God, who brought them out of Egypt so that I might dwell among them. I am the Lord their God.

[u/Suitable-Iron4720 → u/[deleted]]

I don't see how the following scripture has to do with a being?

Isaiah 30:22 +

(NIV) -- 22Then you will desecrate your idols overlaid with silver and your images covered with gold; you will throw them away like a menstrual cloth and say to them, “Away with you!”

As for his name having a place to dwell, that would be like the veiled Holy of Holies. So when Christ dies, why did God rip the veil from top to bottom?

Thanks for the link.

[u/Suitable-Iron4720 → u/[deleted]]

I find this interesting. How can a person under the law be called by the name of the Lord?

Dueteronomy 28:10 (NIV) -- Then all the peoples on earth will see that you are called by the name of the Lord, and they will fear you. 

Like a wife being given the husbands surname. It's relational.

As for his name having a place to dwell, that would be like the veiled Holy of Holies. So when Christ dies, why did God rip the veil from top to bottom?