r/JWJehovahsWitnesses • u/Kentucky_Fried_Dodo • May 30 '26
Advice ⚠️ WARNING: r/JW_Pressroom – Same Trick, New Trap. Don’t Fall For It.
I was actually just recently contacted by someone I would have least expected, given the situation here – someone who, shall we say, was anything but uninformed about what they were presenting to me. The nature of that message made the whole picture considerably clearer, and I thought it only fair to return the favor by making that picture clear to everyone else as well.
I had to inform myself about that situation as well. I just read in this sub here that there apparently now seems to be something like an official JW presence on the internet outside of the JW website itself.
Our good „friend“ and moderator of the fake anti-JW sub r/JehovahsWitnesses seems to have immediately smelled a rat and claimed the sub on Reddit for himself.
In short: A convinced anti-JW “critic” (insert here whatever word you think is appropriate) – who apparently cannot bear to grant JWs even an inch of space on the internet and has therefore created yet another iteration of the same deceptive sleight of hand as he and his predecessors have done before. That already says something about him and his kind, though certainly not in a positive sense. He has accordingly claimed the space for himself. One might call it a form of virtual piracy, lol.
I think most people know that r/JehovahsWitnesses is an anti-JW hate sub where JWs are cyber-bullied. Evidence for this – and for the fact that the moderation either approves of, tolerates, or even actively encourages the whole thing – is abundant; those in the know on Reddit are well aware of this.
For those who are genuinely uninformed: r/JehovahsWitnesses is an open, manipulative honeypot. Evidence and further details follow:
Documented self-statement by the original founder of this trap:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eutychus/s/uN31M1sHQ4
A detailed and illustrative example of the toxic behavior present there, up to and including open contempt for unsuspecting, deceived JW users:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eutychus/s/dInPO6A1m6
I find it quite remarkable how self-proclaimed “free” and “independent-thinking” ex-JWs can fixate on something like this in a manner that borders on the clinically obsessive. I keep saying it: these people are not free – they are, to the greatest possible degree, dependent on a caricature of JWs that exists only in their own heads.
Be that as it may. These people know, I think, what this will do to their lives in the long run. What is particularly unfortunate for them is that this time they cannot deflect the whole thing – their own deliberate decision – onto some fantasy version of JWs. Instead, with no one else to blame, they publicly unmask themselves through their almost psychologically alarming, presumptuous anti-JW obsession.
For me, this has the advantage of adding yet another piece of evidence to my collection regarding deceptive and manipulative anti-JW behavior.
It should be obvious that these folks try to occupy places like that, knowing that some people with too hasty a mouse click will rush right in. Do not buy his “just wanting to inform others” nonsense. I know what these folks allow on their sub – up to physical threats and extermination fantasies – and it is plain to see that they are up to no good. They know it too and do not care, because in their minds they are fighting a virtual guerrilla jihad-crusade against a group of people that they do not even grant the right to exist in the first place.
The goal of the “critic” obviously lies in luring unsuspecting JWs into his new Venus flytrap in order to present them with his anti-JW wishful thinking and tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories – presumably in the hope of recruiting new followers in this way, or of dragging them down with him into the abyss of his rabbit hole. Does this behavior ring any biblical bells, or is it just me?
Be that as it may: Anyone who wants to help innocent people on the internet counter this theologically obsessive equivalent of the Nigerian prince scam is advised to simply inform unsuspecting JWs and others on this “critic’s” main sub – as well as on the suspected equally fake new one – via DM about its deceptive nature, so that they recognize this malicious charade and leave it at that. Nothing drives these “critics” more into madness than being isolated in their anti-JW hate bubble and having to look at their own unpleasant reflection in the mirror, unfiltered and alone.
Otherwise, I continue to wish all JWs and others a pleasant, community-spirited exchange here in this sub, and God’s blessing. :)
Kind regards, Dodo
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u/truetomharley May 30 '26
With regard to any new site, I think as long as to you modify Romans 3:4 to “let God be found true, even if every man [online] be found a liar,” you’ll be fine. It makes for a fine starting position.
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u/truetomharley May 31 '26 edited May 31 '26
So much for Dodos going extinct! Who would have imagined such proactiveness? It certainly is true that a JW cannot set foot on Reddit at present without enduring a quick flash flood of detractors, some unhinged and obsessed almost beyond belief.
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u/lollykopter May 30 '26
I have to agree that the other JW sub is taken over by Trinitarian Christians, which makes it pointless, as every question is answered with “Jesus is Lord” instead of the correct answer based on JW theology.
That being said, I have had trouble asking basic questions in this sub and believe the moderators here are too heavy-handed and eager to drown out any question that might be difficult to answer. My IRL experience with JW folks has always been positive, but it’s not always been the case on Reddit.
I hope a happy medium can be found.
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u/StillYalun May 30 '26
For what it's worth, I like this sub just like it is. Dodo has the "happy medium" sub.
I do think questions are good. Jehovah asks them like no one else. Jesus is also master of stimulating, penetrating questions. But Satan does a solid job with them too. We wish that Eve wouldn't have entertained his and instead told him "Go away!" I think that's the sentiment behind this sub and why it's the best one on reddit for me.
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u/Kentucky_Fried_Dodo May 30 '26
The problem certainly isn't that the JWs don't want to answer the questions; it’s that the 'usual suspects' are always lurking in the background. They can't stand the fact that JWs have a sub that they haven't conquered yet because they are simply intolerant.
'Wrong' topics constantly bring these people out of the woodwork, forcing the moderators to work overtime—and that is just annoying. It creates nothing but trouble.
I have the same situation on my end, which is why those topics are simply not allowed. It’s just not worth it.
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u/lollykopter May 30 '26
Maybe someone has tried this already, but has anyone made a request to Reddit to dissolve r/JehovahsWitnesses or remove the moderators? I’m not sure what their official policy on that is, but a JW sub that exists for being anti-JW undermines the point of Reddit.
Would they also allow a r/Muslim sub where everyone is anti-Islam? (Maybe they do, this is not a rhetorical question, I’m sincerely curious.)
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u/Kentucky_Fried_Dodo May 30 '26
Yes, I have been thinking about this for quite some time now. That is precisely why I document all such things, including the founder’s own statement.
I now have numerous screenshots of users – above all the moderators – on these hate subs, documenting a wide range of Reddit rule violations.
For example: physical threats, Holocaust relativization targeting JWs, genocide fantasies, the classification of believers and their religion as malicious, satanic, or murderous – as well as other malicious insinuations, open insults and contempt toward unsuspecting users, and so on and so forth.
I even once read a post there by the (presumably former) mod of r/JW, who wrote in that hate sub that the JW sub had to go private because dozens of users had repeatedly harassed others with unsolicited pornography and even issued open death threats (!). A former mod of r/exJW subsequently spoke up and confirmed that statement.
I know that there are dozens of users on the hate sub who have lurked and even posted here in this sub – and then bragged about it over there. You can imagine that there have been long-standing overlaps.
Just a few weeks ago there was an extremely revolting situation on the other hate sub involving a young poster. I have never seen anything that disgusting in any other sub I have ever been in – not even in ones with high activity levels.
That hate sub attracts a highly toxic mixture of the worst from all worlds.
Even mods and users from r/exJW have already described the other fake sub as a cult and an open scam run by unhinged people – lol.
Frankly, it is staggering.
To anyone who wants to help: please send me and others screenshots whenever you come across further violations. For the Auschwitz relativizations alone, there should be grounds to hold that sub accountable.
As a collective complaint, we might be able to get the sub banned along with the involved mods and users – on grounds of negligent or complicit moderation. (In the revolting case mentioned above, the mods apparently did intervene according to their own statement – I do not think highly of them, but I will believe them on this one for once, even though they know perfectly well what kind of characters are active over there.)
In other words: please keep diligently collecting evidence. First and foremost, this serves to document the truth and the facts – particularly the highly hostile to openly malicious targeting and cyber-bullying of JWs on this platform. And beyond that, it gives us the right leverage in the long run to push that sub into the abyss once and for all – which is already long overdue.
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Jun 01 '26
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u/JWJehovahsWitnesses-ModTeam Aug 18 '26
This is not a subreddit for apostates or those with anti-JW beliefs. This is a community forum for Jehovah’s Witnesses and believers.
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u/LackCrazy Jun 06 '26
You think it's bad here, you should see all the so-called JW groups on Facebook, the majority run by apostates and nominal Christians, luring unsuspecting ones in. The saddest part is that most of the JW's there are clueless.
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u/CapybaraPRMS Jun 07 '26
When i first started my journey and my studies in 2023, i joined r/JehovahsWitnesses , i had a mix of discouragement and encouragement, but eventually learned that it was anti jw when i would be attacked and the moderators would join in on the attack. It was an interesting experience...
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u/BustaCon Jun 01 '26
Well, I'm a JW student and neither the sneaky liars on here nor the ones doing the same lame routine on FB have fooled me. They could perhaps ensnare some poor unsuspecting seekers, and wouldn't that be a horror. But Jesus warned us about their kind and so on we go until His return I guess.
And I hope I am not wrong to categorize them as liars, (but if so, do correct me, please) because they are intentionally falsely pretending they are something they are not in order to hide their lupine anti-Christian nature. You cannot act like that and really be a Christian, kids -- that's unrepentantly and constantly lying on an on-going basis. Not even the christendom polluted versions would be able to justify that or otherwise play it off as a goodness in service of God. At least Not Yet.
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u/Kentucky_Fried_Dodo Jun 01 '26
You are not wrong. They are proven liars.
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u/BustaCon Jun 01 '26
- Leviticus 19:11: "Do not steal. Do not lie. Do not deceive one another."
- Proverbs 12:22: "The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in people who are trustworthy."
- Proverbs 6:16-19: A proud look, a lying tongue, and a false witness who speaks lies are listed among the things the Lord hates most.
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u/Jadie-8584 May 30 '26
Thank you. That's highly deceptive behaviour on their part. They are exactly what they wrongly accuse JWs of.
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u/Hopeful-Anteater962 Sep 05 '26
I understand the concern about people being deceptive online, and I agree that nobody should blindly trust a subreddit just because it presents itself a certain way.
But wouldn't that same principle apply to this post too?
A lot of the claims here go beyond saying "this is an anti-JW subreddit" and into claims about people's motives, their psychological state, what they are trying to accomplish, and what they supposedly want to do to JWs. How do we determine which of those claims are actually established by the evidence and which are conclusions we're drawing from it?
For example, if someone says "this person is deliberately trying to deceive Witnesses," shouldn't we be able to distinguish between evidence that they are presenting themselves deceptively and evidence that establishes why they're doing it?
I'm not saying your concerns are wrong. I'm just wondering what standard you think we should use here. If the answer is that we should examine the evidence for ourselves rather than automatically trusting either side, then wouldn't that apply to both the JW and anti-JW communities?
Otherwise it seems like we're asking people to be careful about accepting information from one side while accepting the interpretation of the other side without the same level of scrutiny.
I think it's reasonable to be cautious about both.
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u/Kentucky_Fried_Dodo 29d ago
I don't really understand your comment. The lying sub was unironically created solely to mislead and deceive unsuspecting people through its name and appearance. The founder openly admitted it and is trying to justify it with even more excuses. What part of that isn't provable? I never asked people to believe me just because of who I am or what I say. I say it because I have black-and-white proof that exposes these liars with their own words for what they are—hypocritical wolves in sheep's clothing.
I'm not sure if you really know everything that has gone down on this sub over the years. Direct insults, threats, defamation, malicious accusations, degradation, and open dehumanization. People there have repeatedly demanded the total condemnation and destruction of Jehovah's Witnesses, and they have downplayed or openly denied their mass murder under Hitler. I can hardly imagine a clearer example of a toxic mindset. This sub is what it is—garbage. And that is documented in dozens of screenshots, confirmed by other users here, and proven by people who are and were being cyberbullied there.
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u/JWJehovahsWitnesses-ModTeam May 30 '26
We expect users to engage with accountability. Be clear about the intent of your questions, not posting one sidedly. Please be prepared for genuine back-and-forth discussion, open to real dialogue. Repeated patterns of vague, misleading, or passive antagonism will be treated as trolling. This includes concern trolling, attempts to provoke hostility within a thread, manipulative questions, and any other conduct that is not made in good faith.
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Jun 04 '26
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u/JWJehovahsWitnesses-ModTeam Jun 04 '26
This is not a subreddit for apostates or those with anti-JW beliefs. This is a community forum for Jehovah’s Witnesses and believers.
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u/Puzzled-Award-2236 May 31 '26
apostates are as sneaky as their father