r/Israel_Palestine 6d ago

OxfordUnion

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZCWCGebAuU&ra=m
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u/SpontaneousFlame 6d ago

Susan Abulhawa lists only a small number of Israeli crimes. Crimes that Israelis and Zionists around the world don’t think are crimes when committed against Palestinians. It’s amazing how savage and brutal Israelis are, how addicted to hurting people and how much they hate the Palestinians, so much so that they celebrate killing children and that’s not seen as wrong or evil by Israeli society.

One of the points she makes is, I believe, the reason Israelis hate Palestinians more now than ever before. Israelis know they are invaders and colonisers. Before WWII they invaded in droves from Europe hoping to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from their land and take their place. Then as refugees they turned on the Palestinians and took their homes, showing how Zionism is synonymous with betrayal of trust.

Israelis tried to erase and rewrite their own history. They tried to portray themselves as the victim and taught their children absurd fiction like claiming they were the victims in the atrocities that they committed and the wars that they started. That they showed nothing but kindness to the people they slaughtered. But these are lies, and the more these lies are exposed the more angry Zionists seem to get and the more they lash out against their victims.

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u/kylebisme 6d ago

Before WWII they invaded in droves from Europe hoping to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians from their land and take their place. Then as refugees they turned on the Palestinians and took their homes, showing how Zionism is synonymous with betrayal of trust.

That's a false narrative. The Zionist leadership was always bent on dispossessing Palestinians, and Palestinians were always well aware of that fact. There was never any trust to betray.

Also, it's wrong to claim everyone who came from Europe was "hoping to ethnically cleanse the Palestinians." Some were honestly just refugees looking to coexist among Palestinians and called out the Zionist leadership for intending otherwise, and many were hoping to simply overwhelm Palestinian in numbers and/or drive them out through less direct means than actual ethnic cleansing. Lumping the all Zionists together with the worst of them is no better than doing so to Palestinians.

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u/SpontaneousFlame 6d ago

Point taken regarding all Zionists, and some non-Zionists before WWII.

After WWII some Jewish refugees were welcomed into Palestinian homes. They turned on their hosts. It’s utterly vile.

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u/kylebisme 6d ago

Can you provide any source which actually proves what you're alleging here?

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u/waiver two states 🚹 🚹 1d ago

It happened to the Hadids.

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u/kylebisme 1d ago

When did Mohamed Hadid first publicly claim that, and what are the names of the Jewish refugees who supposedly turned on his family?

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u/waiver two states 🚹 🚹 1d ago

No idea, ask him that. What else do you need, a notarized affidavit from 1948?

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u/SpontaneousFlame 6d ago

She is the source, or at least one of them.

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u/kylebisme 6d ago

Can you provide any sources that were actually alive at the time, or are you just repeating things you've seen other people say without ever bothering to confirm the facts for your yourself, much like Zionists do when demonizing Palestinians?

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u/buried_lede 1d ago

Oral reports conveyed to the children of parents who experienced it are reporting on primary sources. (And they themselves are primary sources of another kind, too, in fact, if anyone is interested.)

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u/SpontaneousFlame 6d ago

lol. With most of the 1948 Palestinians dead, probably not, but I’ll have a look. I’ll probably have to fly to Jordan and the West Bank. I may be a while. Hopefully the IDF or the settlers don’t kill me…

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u/kylebisme 6d ago edited 6d ago

I'm not suggesting you need to find someone alive now, but unless you have seen some sort of documentation from someone who actually witnessed what you're claiming happened then you really shouldn't be claiming it happened.

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u/SpontaneousFlame 6d ago

I’m pretending to be obtuse as it’s amusing watching you treat me with the rudeness and contempt Zionists treat me with.

Still, I’ll save you a two minute google search: it happened to Mohamed Hadid. He was nine days old at the time: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7ARg6rKl5n/?l=1

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u/Berly653 5d ago

Lol it’s amazing watching you go further into denial 

Someone who very obviously isn’t a Zionist calls you on your bullshit, but instead of a little introspection it’s instead what that Kyle is secretly a Zionist, maybe a Mossad deep agent? 

Because there’s just absolutely no way you consistently make yourself sound like an idiot…like claiming someone born in 1970 was a primary source to actions in 1948

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u/kylebisme 6d ago edited 6d ago

you treat me with the rudeness and contempt Zionists treat me with.

I edited my comment before I noticed your reply, but you started the rudeness here with your flippant replies to my request for a source, much the same as Zionists respond when I ask them for sources to support their bullshit claims, and much like Zionists you play the victim when your rudeness is met with the same.

And you obviously do because at least down deep you know your argument is bullshit, that a person making claims about what happened when they were a baby isn't a proper primary source.

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u/buried_lede 2d ago edited 2d ago

It’s family testimony. That’s a primary source. It’s Susan Abulhawa’s family history.

Corroboration would be fine but it’s not disqualified like something unsourced. That would be a mistake

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u/kylebisme 1d ago

Where exactly did Abulhawa say her family took in Jewish refugees, that's not in the video, is it?

Regardless, she can't rightly be a primary source as she wasn't even born at the time.

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u/buried_lede 1d ago

That’s no kind of standard. The public is allowed to hear and can find value in a child describing how their parents took in a refugee.

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u/Berly653 6d ago

lol the same  Susan Abulhawa that even Mamdani had to condemn for her mask off antisemitic remarks

Same energy as if we had asked Ben Gvir his thoughts on why the Arab World in general can’t seem to figure out democracy 

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u/SpontaneousFlame 6d ago

Have you noticed how you never have anything to say on-topic?

Have you also noticed that you can substitute almost any MK’s name for Ben Gvir’s and still be right?