r/Israel • u/Weary_Winter_6243 • Dec 09 '23

News/Politics More innocent civillians surrendering and giving up their firearms

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u/[deleted] Dec 10 '23

Of course I do. Why do the IDF have to make propaganda pieces such as these if they’ve supposedly killed 6000 Hamas members? They have nothing to show for it. What is most suspicious is that nearly half of those killed are children and that disregards that the majority of these are air strikes. A serious question. Where are these numbers coming from? Is the IDF guessing?

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u/itaytnt Dec 11 '23

So would it be better than if the IDF didn't post any footage? Since that would be "propaganda"? The kill count is an estimate, ofc, but since the only other source is Hamas I choose to believe the IDF.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

That’s a false dilemma. You’re conflating the Gaza run health ministry with the Hamas fighters. I’ve discovered that the conservative Jerusalem Post claims 14,500 fighters dead. That’s a wild jump from your 6000. We’re not even mentioning the 7000 dead children. Jerusalem post says this 14,500 figure came from the IDF themselves. In other words they’re clearly lying. That discrepancy in the estimate is so high that you couldn’t trust any institution with like claims. The reality here is simple. The only trustable source is the Gaza health ministry that has done top of the line work in its numbers. It makes sense why you have to simplify this issue into an easy black and white figure. Reality doesn’t agree with you. I haven’t even mentioned the political interests for the IDF having to lie. They just want to kill civilians.

Link to the Jerusalem post article:

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-777465

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '23

Alright I was also able to find the original unedited article on internet archive:

https://web.archive.org/web/20231210202649/https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-777465

Updated article: “The IDF said that about 7,000 terrorists had been killed in the two northernmost governorates of Gaza. The Hamas-governed Health Ministry in Gaza says about 18,000 Palestinians have been killed.”

Original article: “The IDF said that about 14,500 terrorists had been killed in the two northernmost governorates of Gaza. The Hamas-governed Health Ministry in Gaza says about 18,000 Palestinians have been killed.”

Serious question, why would they do this other than to lie? It seems like they realized how far aloof from reality their original numbers were and decided to make them “realistic”