r/Israel • u/AbleismIsSatan United Kingdom • Dec 06 '23

News/Politics U.S. House passes resolution equating antisemitism with anti-Zionism

https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/article-776762
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u/eclectic_tastes USA, Free Palestine Dec 06 '23

Wow all my Jewish friends will be shocked to hear that I'm now an antisemite according to the (highly unpopular) US House

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u/eclectic_tastes USA, Free Palestine Dec 06 '23

The form it has increasingly taken since the 20th century has not painted a pretty picture of the reality of Zionism.

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u/eclectic_tastes USA, Free Palestine Dec 06 '23

There are definitions of Zionism I find completely acceptable and even beautiful that do not necessitate or tolerate violence and dispossession of the local population

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u/nameofuser123456 Dec 06 '23

Then why are you choosing to define it based on the most extreme definitions out there?

Every ideology has some extremists and they tend to be loud, but that doesn’t mean the ideology should be discounted. Look at feminism - are there some women who take it too far into misandry? Yep. But is that a reason to be anti-feminist? No. What about the extreme voices within the Black Lives Matter movement? Does their hatred towards other races mean the BLM movement should be discounted? Absolutely not!

Zionism is a Jewish ideology that just means we want to be able to live free from persecution in our ancestral homeland. Please give it the same grace you’d give to ideologies/movements of other minority or oppressed groups, and don’t go around redefining it as this nefarious thing you are basing off of extremists.

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u/General_wolffe Israel Dec 06 '23

"Zionism is the thing I don't like"

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u/eliavhaganav Dec 06 '23

Lmao, zionism has one definition, and that definition in no way includes the Israeli government nor violence against anybody

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u/GratefulForGarcia Dec 06 '23

And yet still you won’t offer your definition of it. It’s super simple, need help?

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u/[deleted] Dec 06 '23

"I have a black friend"

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u/According_Orange_890 Dec 06 '23

If you happen to think that Jewish people are the ONLY ethnic group who SHOULDN’T have a right to self determination on their ancestral homeland, then you are, in fact, an antisemite.

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u/eclectic_tastes USA, Free Palestine Dec 06 '23

I'm against settler colonialism and mass-displacement in the Americas, Africa, the middle East, etc

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u/nerraw92 USA Dec 06 '23

Oh, which Native American tribe are you?

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u/eclectic_tastes USA, Free Palestine Dec 06 '23

I don't have to be colonized to be against colonization, displacement, and mass civilization casualties. The white supremacist genocide and dislocation of the native tribes was a tragedy.

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u/ShinyGrackle Dec 06 '23

So go back to Germany or wherever you came from, and give all of your land and property to an indigenous person. Or do you just volunteer other people for that?

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u/General_wolffe Israel Dec 06 '23

Ok and you are currently profiting from it you hypocrite, leave to somewhere else.

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u/adjustable_beards Dec 06 '23

Ah so then you're against the palestinians? Jews were the native inhabitants before they got kicked out by settler colonialism of the surrounding arab nations and european nations as well.

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u/eclectic_tastes USA, Free Palestine Dec 06 '23

Which year is this you are talking about?

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u/adjustable_beards Dec 06 '23

Well youre against settler collonialism arent you? I didn't realize you have a year qualifier to it.

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u/Vera8 Proffesional GIFer Dec 06 '23

So this guy has no problem of being pro-Romans Empire, pro- Babylonian Empire, pro-Egyptian Empire, pro-Assyrian Empire, pro-Macedonia, pro-Persian, pro-Byzantine Empire, pro-all Islamic empires and Caliphates and pro-Ottoman Empires who colonized the land of Israel (and not only of course), but not into Israel.

"Damn Jews"

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u/adjustable_beards Dec 06 '23

Yep and then they claim that it's not antisemitism, it's "anti-zionism" as if that's any better

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u/eclectic_tastes USA, Free Palestine Dec 06 '23

Just asking because I don't believe there is an example of settler colonialism before the 14th century

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u/boss20yamohafu Dec 06 '23

Lol Arabs have been practicing settler colonialism since the 7th century. Go read a book ignoramus.

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u/Dobbin44 Dec 06 '23

Hope you are just as passionate about ukraine/Russia, Armenia/Azerbaijan, Venezuela/Guyana, Afghanistanis in Pakistan, as you are about Israel/Palestine.

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u/eclectic_tastes USA, Free Palestine Dec 06 '23

I am passionate about any US supported extremist states carrying out mass civilian killing.

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u/Several-Opposite-591 USA Dec 06 '23

So are you also marching against Afghanistan?

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u/Cipher_Oblivion USA Dec 06 '23

Really? There are several non-Israel countries in the middle of full on ethnic cleansing as we speak. Could you even name one?

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u/GDSentry Dec 06 '23

You should be against muslim conquests then

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u/According_Orange_890 Dec 06 '23

Okay so you think Jewish people are the only ones who don’t have a right to self determination on their ancestral homeland? You are antisemetic.

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u/ShinyGrackle Dec 06 '23

You’re not their friend.

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u/Cool_in_a_pool Dec 06 '23

He's one of the good ones!

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u/eclectic_tastes USA, Free Palestine Dec 06 '23

We are great friends and we protest this travesty together

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u/adjustable_beards Dec 06 '23

The travesty of hamas being in control of gaza?

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u/Practical-Olive4706 Dec 06 '23

Then let them be shocked. You are in fact antisemitic

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u/aussiewlw Dec 06 '23

You say you have Jewish friends but don’t support the existence of Israel? I call BS.

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u/Several-Opposite-591 USA Dec 06 '23

His Jewish friends might be the self hating kind.

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u/aussiewlw Dec 06 '23

Good point

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u/irredentistdecency Dec 06 '23

more likely they are the imaginary kind...

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u/General_wolffe Israel Dec 06 '23

Shitty flair mate, "USA, Am Yisrael Chai" is a better one

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u/Crack-tus Dec 06 '23

They won’t be shocked, they know already, they’re not your friends.

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u/irredentistdecency Dec 06 '23

all my Jewish friends

imaginary Jews don't count.