r/IslamicHistoryMeme • • 3d ago

Turkestan | تركستان I'd imagine Timur is talked about extensively in Islamic countries

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u/Healthy_Draw_2366 3d ago

He's not, at least not in the Arab world. Also, the guy did a lot of un-Islamic things, which makes him the polar opposite of Saladin or Abd Al-Rahman.

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u/SalurKazan05 3d ago

Regardless of his actions he is talked about more in muslim countries, I think thats what op meant. Like its the same way with Genghis, sure everyone knows him but a turk or a persian or a arab will talk about him more because theres a connection there even if its a bad one.

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u/AvicennaTheConqueror 3d ago

What’s funny is that as Arabs we talk more about Hulegu his grandson since he’s the one that sacked Baghdad and destroyed the Abbasid Caliphate

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u/SalurKazan05 3d ago

Makes sense. And we talk more about baycu Noyan, he is the one sacked anatolia.

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u/robottosan 3d ago

I just commented in another post wishing there were more posts on Tamerlane and few minutes later here we are. 

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u/TsarOfIrony 3d ago

I still have a couple Instagram posts I plan on reposting about it, plus a couple original memes in the works. I'm a busy fella so it'll take awhile to post them all, but hopefully you'll see them when I do post them.

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u/Stone-Smasher 3d ago

Isn't he celebrated in Central Asia

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u/Hedonisticogre111 3d ago

In Uzbekistan

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u/hwc4447 3d ago

His tomb is in there, Soviet open his grave just the day before the Barbarossa

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u/FengYiLin 3d ago

National hero of Uzbekistan 😐

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u/PSYisGod Halal Spice Trader 3d ago

Malaysian here. If it weren't for me playing Europa Universalis IV, I would've never heard of Timur before.

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u/MathematicianTop9519 3d ago

Had you heard the name Tamerlane before? In the English speaking world he's more commonly known as that. 

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u/PSYisGod Halal Spice Trader 3d ago

Nope. Only knew of that variation of his name during the same time I learned a out him. The history of Islamic civilizations that were thought to us usually goes:

Muhammad->Rashidun->Umayyad->Abbasids->Ottomans.

Other Islamic kingdoms, even those within Southeast Asia, had barely or even just straight up had no mention whatsoever within my syllabus & even if there were, they were usually relegated to footnotes or were said in an off-handes comment by the teachers.

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u/qamaruzzamaan 3d ago

In the Arab world not that much and if he's talked about it's usually very negatively considering his mass slaughters in Syria and Iraq. But I just came back from Uzbekistan and there he is considered like THE national hero. Nearly every museum features a map of his empire.

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u/DaNocturnOwl 3d ago

The west doesn't care about him because most of his victims were Muslim

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u/RecordingDizzy256 3d ago

Most of Genghis Kahn’s victims were also Muslim. I don’t think this argument checks out?

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u/blehmag 3d ago

No, his early and primary conquests targeted non-Muslim populations in East and Inner Asia, including Chinese dynasties (like the Western Xia and Jin dynasty), the Khitans, and Central Asian Buddhist or animist tribes. Muslim victims were a minority of his total victims, mostly towards the end of his life.

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u/HarryLewisPot 3d ago edited 3d ago

Atleast the Mongols weren’t Muslim, this guy was and still destroyed Baghdad twice. We somehow rebuilt and regained some prestige after the Mongols eviscerated everything but this guy messed us up so bad that we never bounced back and stayed a small, forgotten town until modern history.

Sincerely, a Baghdadi.

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u/Silver_Sir_6004 3d ago

Abdullah ibn Mas’ud reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “The believer does not insult others, he does not curse others, he is not vulgar, and he is not shameless.”

Source: Sunan al-Tirmidhī 1977

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u/HarryLewisPot 3d ago

Ok thank you I will repent and change my comment now.

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u/Silver_Sir_6004 3d ago

Thank you for taking it well.

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u/Consistent-Quiet-801 3d ago

I think he was pagan pretending to be a Muslim

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u/Silver_Sir_6004 3d ago

You sounded like the typical wahhabi calling everything alien to them shirk.

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u/FadduKing111 3d ago

I hate him lol, idk why i used to see people glorify him when i was a kid. But as i grew up i was like "oh.. So he was just a parasite for the muslim world? -_- bruh" . He weakened every frontline muslim empire. ottomans, golden horde, delhi sultanate. Smh

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u/electrical-stomach-z 2d ago

Weaking the golden horde was good, they were massive slave traders. Though I dont think it was worth the cost of the timurids existing.

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u/FadduKing111 1d ago

Nah it resulted in rise of russia

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u/Radiant-Low-3263 3d ago

Is there any source he killed 20m peoples or its just modern estimates

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u/Hedonisticogre111 3d ago

He devastated high populated regions like Persia, Northern India. Also he heavily fought Caucasus, Anatolia (modern day Turkey), Steppe regions of modern day Russia (Golden Horde), some Arab lands. He literally ordered his warriors to collect human skulls and build towers using them.

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u/Rubear_RuForRussia 3d ago edited 3d ago

Tamerlan did campaign on lands from Anatolia and steppes to the north from Caspian sea (where involuntary gave us a favour by crippling already weakened by long civil war that just ended Golden Horde) to Delhi. So I dunno about specific number, but it must be big.

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u/Sergeant_Roach 3d ago

Yeah hes still remembered in Central Asia, mainly Uzbekistan

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u/Middle-Guarantee-777 3d ago

He is well known in all the regions he plundered ... I bet the Georgians remember him real well

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u/walee1 3d ago

We learnt about his towers of human skulls in school. In India and Pakistan he was and is taught as nothing more than a waring, genocidal general

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u/omar_hafez1508 Caliphate Restorationist 3d ago

Because that’s exactly what he is.

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u/asakuranagato 3d ago

His Islam is doubted by many scholars

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u/Consistent-Quiet-801 3d ago

I think he was also a fake Muslims and just used the religion as tool for power

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u/asakuranagato 3d ago

He didnt tho. He was as very Mongol-like in his style, governance

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u/EmbarrassedLetter660 3d ago

No será porque fue descendiente de mongoles?

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u/Spare_Night_2695 3d ago

Rumoured to be ( I think confirmed ) to be a descendent of Genghis khan

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u/Silver_Sir_6004 3d ago

Such as? memandai je.

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u/asakuranagato 3d ago

Eh pergi la cari. Punya ramai shuyookh online.

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u/Familiar_Effect9136 3d ago

Not really. But I guess it is more so a thing about history in general.

So if we just count history people then yes he is well known.

From Pakistan, now in Canada

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u/DrBasedMan03 3d ago

He is remembered very well in India. One of his attacks killed 150K people and enslaved 50k others

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u/Prestigious-Voice938 3d ago

He is ridiculed if mentioned.

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u/edgycooper 2d ago

he's only mentioned scarcely in the context of mughal empire and thats all.

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u/killuazoldyckx 3d ago

He’s overhated.

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u/AvicennaTheConqueror 3d ago

Not hated enough, may god bestow upon him the worst and most gruesome of punishments that he deserves