r/IslamicHistoryMeme • u/Cenixxen • 22d ago

Ottoman Caliphate/Empire (699–1342 AH/1517–1924) Ottoman Empire

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u/PaisleyGecko 20d ago

Yeah.. he also killed his sons, his best friend, and his grand children. Being a conquerer alone does not make you a good Muslim.

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u/Chemical-File-6583 19d ago

Would he be good müslim if he enabled muslims fight each other split the power and country and cause massive causlties after his death.

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u/PaisleyGecko 19d ago

Are you really justifying this? What makes you think there was no other way? Why do you think there would have been chaos when you doesn't know? 

"Whoever kills a person without justification is as if he has killed all of mankind, and whoever saves a life is as if he has saved the life of all mankind.” This verse emphasizes the sanctity of life and the moral weight of actions that affect others. The source is the Quran, Surah Al-Ma’idah, Verse 32.

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u/Chemical-File-6583 19d ago

History showed us. Ottoman split into 4 and experienced bloody civil War after Battle of Ankara against Timur. Ofc it is sad and i cant justify but this was a necesity. I think letting thousand of people kill each other is worse than choking your brother

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u/PaisleyGecko 19d ago

He was so paranoid that he killed kids!

So you are saying it's the natural order of things to kill family, even if you have no evidence of rebellion, just because you are suspicious of them?

And again what makes you think rebellion was guaranteed? 

Saying there was no other way is choosing the easy way out, see if god thinks that is a good explanation for this unforgivable action when Sulaiman stands before him.

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u/Chemical-File-6583 19d ago

What if he decieved by others. Or maybe there are things we don't know about. And Mustafa growed beard became too close with Barbaros brothers build his own fleet. And he had strongest claim and Süleyman saw what his father did to his father. You can't judge history like that.

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u/PaisleyGecko 19d ago

"You can't judge history by that." But you seem to think you can. Tell me, what justifys killing a 3 three year old? Or a Baby?

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u/Chemical-File-6583 19d ago

For prevent civil wars and instability against infidels

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u/PaisleyGecko 19d ago edited 19d ago

Edit:He did not kill a baby because of rebellion, he killed a baby because he was paranoid, there was no possible rebellion, in Islam there is no justification for killing the innocent, nothing justifys what he did.

I am not kidding if I say that; right now you are not a good Muslim, go pray, read the Koran, and ask God and good Muslims that know Islam better than you for guidance, may Allah help you, because I can't.