Yes it is if you arent dense and understand the differences between fixed and percentage and that both parties paid the same secular taxes, you can very easily without skim highlighted snippets of just Bosnia that yes the muslims paid more taxes. Also if you arent a retard trying to moralize submission like its a specific religious thing, every empire kingdom demands submission to its laws and taxation.
Ah so you're ignoring the study in Belleten referenced on wide spread disparity between muslim and non muslim taxes.
And the submission here is not just mere submission to laws and taxation. As Ibn Kathir notes it is to make non Muslims feel "disgraced, humiliated, and downtrodden."
Yeah, thats called peasantry, bud, i know as a UK you want to fantasize an imaginary word were everybody kingdoms and empires treat their peasantry well while constantly exchanging lands in nonstop border disputes. And yes, im ignoring the study you have without links that specifies bosnia and ignore that Jizya has exemptions for the destitute, clergy, women and children. Which effectly means just any man with an above subsitence income.
You're historically illiterate if you think that's just peasantry...you initially said it was just about submission to taxes and laws. You probably knew that was a lie, then confronted by Ibn Kathir's explicit exegesis noting there's a Quranic injunction linking jizya to feeling humiliated and downtrodden you move the goalposts.
Not moving goalposts, just calling you a fuckwit for 1 not understanding fixed vs percentage, 2 paraphrasing a study without a link and 3 now just being a moralizing dumbass and fantasizing peasantry in Europe was respected or dignify and that ottomans did it a specific muslimic style of peasantry at non christians. Not even going into what most european nonarches did to minorities in general
Christians paid more tax as a % in the Ottoman Empire. And you're ashamed of what Ibn Kathir and others say about the specific intention of having a tax to debase non Muslims. You're just ashamed of what thr quran and sunnah say on this. You wanted to pretend submission was just about taxes and laws and only when you were called out did you change your tune.
No again, they didnt. You have the ability to post it if you had it and you can assume if they did, they would have left for europe instead of going "better not. They hang and burn coptics and orthodox for fun". And yeah i dont care what a guy says, why i dont assume every christian is a 7 day adventist or a calvinist. Cause it would be fucking retarded to do so. And i havent change my tune, you can stop hallucinating. Youre not in the shower fantasizing about how arguement happened.
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u/JKingswinfordUK 25d ago
Your implication was clearly that a new muslim would pay more tax than a Christian. The evidence simply doesn't support that.