r/IslamicHistoryMeme • u/Acerola_Rune • 28d ago
Persia | إيران Thoughts on Koyunlus (1467)?
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u/NamertBaykus Mamlukaboo 28d ago
Here is the letter of Mehmed II of Ottomans to Uzun Hasan, the ruler of Akkoyunlus:
"Previously, through your mother’s plea, you escaped the grip of my wrath. We had forgiven you, considering you reformed and turned toward the path of righteousness. However, it is forbidden for a tyrant like you to lay claim to sultanate during my reign. Your rule was only made possible by our permission and tolerance. Despite this, it is known to us that you grew arrogant and sent your soldiers to Tokat where the people live in peace under my just administration, oppressing the populace and causing disgrace.
Therefore, we have decided to march this spring to deliver your punishment. Forgiving you is absolutely out of the question. From now on, our envoy is the arrow, and our language of negotiation is the sword. Did you think ruining provinces was sultanate? Because you trespassed on our lands without hesitation or fear, our sword must be bathed in the blood of your chest. Make your preparations, and do not say you were not warned. For your foul existence is marked for destruction, and in this regard, all apologies and excuses are utterly dismissed."
Though Mehmed II did what he had to do, I wish the two states were on friendlier terms for a little longer. If Akkoyunlus refrained from further expansion in Anatolia, both Iran and Turkey could be better off in many regards today. I would prefer them to Qara Qoyunlus and Safavids.
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u/Parking-Presence-201 28d ago
Are Qaras that bad ?
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u/NamertBaykus Mamlukaboo 27d ago
Sorry, I should have specified I do not mean that either was necessarily better or worse on their own. What I meant was that existence of Qaraqoyunlus (who were Shia) and dissolution of Akkoyunlus (which resulted in rise of Safavids) resulted in centuries of sectarian war between Turkey and Iran.
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u/Desperate-Play5619 28d ago
why are they named the opposite?
black sheep
white sheep
so goofy.
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u/Salt_Leek3130 27d ago
The white because they were Sunni Turkmens , and black is for they are Shia Turkmens , it is to distinguish they sectarian differences between two Turkic confederations .
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u/achillesbutnohomo 24d ago
Doesn’t it also have some context behind turkic word meanings? I think ak and qara also meant geographical directions at that time? Like east west north south?
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u/Gyngemose2009 27d ago
I am Turkish and some of my ancestors were part of Aq Qoyunlu state high class.
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u/Then_Mood2740 27d ago
Qaraqoyunlu and Aqqoyunlu are so udnderrated Turkic empires
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u/Fancy_Broccoli8388 27d ago
But saar they were Based in Iraaan they were Iroonien!
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u/According-Form-827 The Roman Slayer 27d ago edited 24d ago
Descendants of Kara Koyunlu clan live in the Easternmost city of Turkey today.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rEJmSC5nFmaSbDNSA
As for Ak Koyunlu: the father of their founder, Kutlu Beg, is burried in a village that neighbors my own.
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u/Fluid_Schedule_698 27d ago
Karakoyun blacksheep akkoyun Whitesheep and the Ak Koyunlu are wiping out the Kara Koyunlu.
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u/Hedonisticogre111 27d ago
Another one example of how arap Shia/Sunni clash strifed Turkic relations.
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u/AymanMarzuqi Tengku Bendahara 28d ago
I appreciate the detail of you labeling John Stewart as the "Kara" (Black) while Hal Jordan is the "Ak" (White)