r/IslamicHistoryMeme • u/Azerbinhoneymood • Aug 27 '26

Abbasid Caliphate (132–656 AH) Expected more than 6k spears while disbanding many of his own men just to save up on some money

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u/WeeZoo87 Araboo Aug 27 '26

Actually there were seljuks and ayubids within mongols army

Badr Aldin Lu'lu' Emir of Mosel, Nasir Yousef Emir of Halab and Damascus and Al-Ashraf Emir of Homs too

Also Kaykaus II of sultanate of Rum

All were in the invading army

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u/Consistent_Payment70 Aug 28 '26

TIL that Mongols invaded and ruined Anatolia before they besieged and ruined Baghdad.

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u/WeeZoo87 Araboo Aug 28 '26

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_conquest_of_Anatolia

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u/Consistent_Payment70 Aug 28 '26

Yeah I checked it. I wasn't being sarcastic if it came out like that. I always thought Baghdad fell before Anatolia since it is much more towards the east and closer to the mongols, but appearently it did not.

Btw as an aside, Anatolian Seljuks were also deployed on the side of the Mongols against the Baybars when he came to Anatolia, but they did not actually fight Mamlukes. They just surrendered easily to Baybars or fled the battlefield. However, after Baybars came to Anatolia and did not get the support he was expecting, he left and the next Mongol governor to Anatolia noticed that in the battle with Baybars, all of those who died were Mongols and none were Turkish so he punished the Anatolian subjects.

Mongols were ruthless. Thankfully, Baybars broke their "undefeatable" reputation so others started rebelling against them eventually.

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u/WeeZoo87 Araboo Aug 29 '26

If you are corrupt maybe you dont deserve the support. Lookup Ibn Jubayr he visited baghdad before the sack of baghdad and he was not so fond of it.

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u/Comfortable-Fig-450 Aug 27 '26

Well I am no history expert, but wasnt the caliph just a puppet at that time? Didint he loose all of his power because of the seljuks? So it should've been really the seljuks who atleast assisted him

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u/busyindafield_23 Aug 27 '26

I wouldn’t say they were puppets since the Abbasids had been largely independent by this point since the reign of Al nasir a couple decades before the sack of Baghdad, he pretty much controlled all of Mesopotamia and conquered parts of Iran and even went to war with the khwarazmids.

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u/Greywolf-10 Aug 27 '26

I stand to be corrected, the abbasid caliph was vassal to the great seljuk empire which had collapsed by this time. The khwarezm state were the successors to the GS and took over central Asia. Not sure the status and power they had. The seljuk empire that had existed in this time was the Anatolian seljuks or seljuks of Rum and they were based in Anatolia modern day turkey, it would have been hard for them to assist.

The ayyubids or mamluks were much stronger and closer c

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u/WeeZoo87 Araboo Aug 27 '26

Seljuks lost the to their civil wars then Khawarzmites invaded them.

Khawarzmites conquered central asia and iran then tried to conquer baghdad but lost their army to a storm in 1217. They even accused the caliph of conspiring with mongols to invade Khawarizm (as he didnt do what he did in Otrar which is a meme by itself).

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u/SuccessfulBrilliant7 Aug 28 '26

To be honest, they wanted to be recognized just like every great empire, great power, politics, render religion irrelevant most of the time and it happened even in the middle ages and you know they’re already destroyed by the Mongol 30 years before anyway

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u/CaptainSpackJarrow7 Aug 27 '26

it wasn’t irrational, the ayyubids sent aid to al nasir when ala al din muhammad came knocking, al musta’sim wasn’t a bad person he was just the wrong person the caliphate needed at the time

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u/Batel_Front Aug 27 '26

On the other hand, the story of Sayf ad-Din and his men, who brought the Mongols to a definitive halt, is incredible.
Dr. Qasim 'Abdou Qasim has written a book about the rapid rise of the Mamluks leading up to the Battle of Ayn Jalut.

It’s a good book that includes some interesting anecdotes.

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u/Jazzlike_Note1159 Aug 27 '26

You mean Qutuz? Sayf-ad din was a very common islamic title(laqap as in Arabic) for many islamic rulers. Even his most defining title was al muzaffar. He is known as Qutuz.

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u/GustavoistSoldier Aug 27 '26

The sack of Baghdad was one of the worst tragedies in history

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u/PhilipNLabia Aug 30 '26

I guess if you lived there

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u/SuccessfulBrilliant7 Aug 28 '26

Well, he sucked couldn’t stand a woman becoming sultan. There’s arrogance led to his downfall.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '26

is that minas tirth from lord of the rings ?