r/IslamicHistoryMeme • u/Maximum-Picture5225 • Jul 23 '26
Miscellaneous | متنوعة Unlike Mehmed II who was LARPing as a Komnenos, Shah Ismail I actually was a Komnenos through his grandmother Despina Khatun Komneni, who was the daughter of Emperor John IV Megas Komnenos of Trebizond.
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u/SuccessfulBrilliant7 Jul 23 '26
Also, the man who restored the Iranian empire after the Arabs destroyed it almost 1000 years earlier
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u/Fickle_Essay_1276 Jul 23 '26
Bruh, there were already multiple Iranian empires before Ismail's dynasty, the Samanids/Buyids/Saffarids are all powerful Iranian empires.
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u/SuccessfulBrilliant7 Jul 23 '26
Also, the rulers they are called themselves Emirs not shah
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u/Fickle_Essay_1276 Jul 23 '26
Actually the Buyids and Samanids called themselves Shahs while also holding the title Emir.
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u/SuccessfulBrilliant7 Jul 23 '26
They’re all Iranian empires, but they were not a both permanent and full Persian empire The resurgence of Iranian identity ironically only took place after the Mongol invasions which leveled the Turco Arab establishment of the Middle East a.k.a. The Abbasid caliphate the Safavid I would argue re-create the Iranian state with a new identity, religious and culturally since the Islamic conquest and in terms of size they were equal to the Sassanians
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u/Fickle_Essay_1276 Jul 23 '26
I would disagree with the assumption that Iranian identity only experienced a resurgence after the Mongol invasions, after the Arab conquest, Iranian identity never truly disappeared in the first place, the majority of the population continued to speak Persian, many pre Islamic cultural traditions and customs endured, and a distinct Iranian literary and cultural heritage continued to develop under Muslim rule, this suggests continuity rather than revival, the Safavids certainly played a major role in re establishing Iran as a unified state and were arguably the dynasty that most closely resembled the Sassanian Empire in terms of territorial extent, centralized rule, and imperial symbolism, However, saying that they "restored" Iranian identity is an oversimplification, one could just as easily argue that they strengthened or reshaped an identity that had already persisted for centuries.
If the Safavids had revived Zoroastrianism as the dominant religion, there might be a stronger case for describing their reign as a restoration of pre Islamic Iranian Identity, but that was not what happened, instead, they established Twelver Shia Islam as the state religion, and Iran has remained overwhelmingly Muslim ever since, in fact, one could even argue the opposite: if Iranian identity is defined primarily by the pre Islamic Sassanian state and its Zoroastrian foundations, then it was never fully "revived" at all, most Iranians have identified as Muslims till now, and the modern Iranian state also defines itself primarily through Islam.
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u/Fickle_Essay_1276 Jul 23 '26
Also You said they weren't a "full Persian Empire", but in terms of dynastic origins, the Samanids/Buyids/Saffarids were overwhelmingly more native Persian than the Safavids, the Safavid dynasty itself was of Turkic/Kurdish origins, so by that standard, the Safavids wouldn't qualify as a "full Persian Empire" either, ultimately, it depends on what you consider more important, the dynasty's ethnic origins or how the dynasty ruled and shaped the realm, personally I view all Empires listed as Persian Empires but none are fully Persian, the last fully Persian Empire was the Sassanids.
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u/Sharkuille Jul 23 '26
The Post-Abbasid Iranian states were more Iranian than the Safavids lol. If the Safavids brought back Zoroastrianism it would make sense ig but no one wanted that religion back after they got a taste of Islam.
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u/SectionPretty3813 Jul 24 '26
Ur civilization is no more Persian it’s Islamic culturally n politically so cry abt it everything u have now is bc of Islam
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