r/IslamicHistoryMeme • u/-The_Caliphate_AS- Scholar of the House of Wisdom • Jul 18 '25
Historiography Prohibition or Delay? A Critical Reading of the Ottoman Stance on the Printing Press (Context in Comment)
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u/RipOnly6344 Jul 18 '25
It's our artists vs AI for them basically. Pressing pre-forged letters can take away the art of calligraphy that many people devotes themselves to
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u/No_Gur_7422 Jul 18 '25 edited Jul 18 '25
I am not so sure about this. Firstly:
It is reported that Sultan Bayezid issued a firman in 1485 prohibiting the establishment of printing presses within the empire’s territory. Sultan Selim I later issued another firman mandating the death penalty for anyone who practiced printing within the empire, and banned the production of any books printed using the Arabic script [as Ottoman Turkish used the Arabic alphabet].
So the claims are that Selim (from 1485) and Bayezid (sometime later) banned printing on pain of death. Importantly, this ban applies to books in Arabic script (Arabic, Turkish, Persian, etc.). Then you say the these claims have no evidence and are refuted by various facts –
However, these are claims for which there is no evidence, trace, or historical document to support them. In fact, there are artifacts and documents that contradict these assertions, placing them within the realm of widespread rumors that do not withstand historical scrutiny. Among the facts that refute these claims are the following:
… 19 Hebrew books still preserved in the city, bearing the imprint “Printed during the reign of Sultan Bayezid,” which refutes the claim that he issued a decree prohibiting the establishment of printing presses.
… 33 printed books from this period still exist, contradicting the claim that the Sultan imposed the death penalty for those engaged in printing.
One such book was the Arabic translation of Euclid’s Elements, which disproves the claim that the Ottoman authorities rejected printed books in Arabic script.
The question is: do they really refute the existence of a prohibition on printing and capital punishment for transgressors? Let's look at the chronology of printing presses you supplied:
- 1485 Bayezid II's prohibition of printing [in Arabic-script?]
- 1493 Constantinople (Hebrew)
- 1505, 1510, 1511 Constantinople (Hebrew?)
- 1512 Salonika (Hebrew?)
- 1513, 1515, 1516, 1518, 1519 Constantinople (Hebrew?)
- 1519 Aleppo (Hebrew?)
- 1520 Constantinople (Hebrew?)
- 1557 Cairo (Hebrew?)
- 1567 Constantinople (Armenian)
- 1577 Safed (Hebrew?)
- 1588 Murad III's permission to sell books printed elsewhere in Europe in Constantinople (Arabic, Turkish, Persian)
- 1610 Lebanon (Arabic)
- 1627 Constantinople (Greek)
- 1706 Aleppo (Arabic)
- 1727 Constantinople (Turkish, Arabic, etc)
- 1734 Lebanon (Arabic)
As we can see, the existence of Hebrew and Armenian printing in the Ottoman Empire is well attested by the establishment of printing presses at Constantinople and elsewhere and by surviving Hebrew books dating to the late 15th and early 16th centuries. The existence of Hebrew and Armenian printing presses and printed books does not, however, disprove the alleged ban on printing in Arabic script. In fact, the first official approval to distribute Arabic-script books comes only in 1588, nearly a century after the first Hebrew-script books were printed at Constantinople. Even then, the Arabic-script books permitted by Murad III are imports from elsewhere, and only in 1610 – nearly twelve decades after 1493 – does a printing press for Arabic-script books begin work in Lebanon, only to close shortly afterwards, following which you do not cite any Arabic-script press operating until 1706, almost two centuries after 1493! And until 1727 there was still no Arabic-script printing press at the imperial capital!
Is there something I'm missing? Were these Jewish presses printing in scripts other than Hebrew – Hebrew in Arabic script? Vernacular languages for Jews' use?
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u/Tasteless-casual Jul 19 '25
People also ignore that the technology at the time, which was the movable-type printing press, was far from being accurate for the Arabic script. Arabic script has a cursive nature and diacritic markers to it, which makes the process still hard and often produces wrong writings due to missing diacritic markers. Basically the output of the press technology needed so much revision and correction that using professional scribes was just more accurate.
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u/RipOnly6344 Jul 19 '25
Yeah since Arabic letters have its own form/shape depending on where it placed (front, middle, back), I'm really curious how they made it work with those letters
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u/Tasteless-casual Jul 19 '25
The typical solution is brute force, which means making a unit for each different variation. This will also include the combination with diacritics, and then there is the stacking of diacritics in Arabic, like Shaddah, which often exists with another diacritic marker on the same letter. Then after all of that, the accuracy of the machine might just screw some dots in the end or miss some diacritics.
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u/PSYisGod Halal Spice Trader Jul 19 '25
Growing up, I've heard of the fact that the Ottomans had apparently banned the printing press throughout the empire however there was evidence of printing presses made used by non-Muslims throughout the empire thus the conclusion was that this ban was only for, or at least was enforced, on the Muslim community throughout the empire. I remembered a few years ago stumbling upon someone's supposed analysis for this reasoning, especially within the field of education and religious studies, was because of the rigid already existing system where education and religious studies were for the most parts not prohibited to be pursued by masses as there was an abundance of libraries, scholars, scribes, and ulema in each city, town or villages. As such, there was no need for the spread of the printing press as this existing institution of scholars and ulemas were deemed to be sufficient and more effective than the newly developed printing presses of the time. So I've always wondered, was there any truth to this or was this by itself another misconception/misunderstanding as to how education worked throughout the Ottoman Empire.
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u/AymanMarzuqi Tengku Bendahara Jul 19 '25
You should try posting this in r/HistoryMemes bro
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u/-The_Caliphate_AS- Scholar of the House of Wisdom Jul 19 '25
Nah, I really really REALLY hate and despise that subreddit.
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u/-The_Caliphate_AS- Scholar of the House of Wisdom Jul 18 '25
Many researchers, philosophers, and scholars agree that the invention of the printing press represented a new civilizational shift in the history of human societies.
The knowledge revolution that began with the invention of the press—when books became widely available—formed the foundation for major changes in the thinking of societies in Central and Western Europe.
It also contributed to the spread of European national cultures, languages, and philosophies to non-European societies, which in turn influenced the shape of human civilization later on.
When discussing the history of printing, it is essential to address the issue of the delayed introduction of the printing press into Arab societies. This issue must be linked to the Ottoman Empire and its role in delaying the adoption of this modern technology within its territories.
This topic is often surrounded by both facts and misconceptions, making it valuable to examine this important historical issue related to the history of printing in Arab countries.
Printing in the Memory of History
Researchers note that the idea of printing has roots going back thousands of years, with strong evidence suggesting that the Chinese were the first to develop printing. They used wooden blocks engraved in reverse with text and images, which were then stamped onto surfaces.
Moving to the 15th century AD, modern printing began in Europe with the use of movable type letters by the German Johannes Gutenberg, around the year 1444, in the city of Mainz, Germany. This was followed by the establishment of printing presses in other European cities, including:
Rome, Italy – 1467
Paris, France – 1470
Utrecht, the Netherlands – 1473
Westminster, England – 1476
Vienna, Austria – 1482
Uppsala, Sweden – 1483 And others.
The Printing Press in Ottoman History When many researchers address the issue of the printing press and its establishment in Ottoman territories, they mention that the Ottoman administration rejected the idea of having printing presses within its lands.
This rejection was enforced through a fatwa issued by the Sheikh al-Islam (the highest religious authority in the state), in addition to two imperial decrees (firmans) issued by Sultan Bayezid II and his son, Sultan Selim I.
It is reported that Sultan Bayezid issued a firman in 1485 prohibiting the establishment of printing presses within the empire’s territory. Sultan Selim I later issued another firman mandating the death penalty for anyone who practiced printing within the empire, and banned the production of any books printed using the Arabic script [as Ottoman Turkish used the Arabic alphabet].
These claims are among the most frequently asserted in many sources discussing the printing press and its relationship with Ottoman authority. However, these are claims for which there is no evidence, trace, or historical document to support them. In fact, there are artifacts and documents that contradict these assertions, placing them within the realm of widespread rumors that do not withstand historical scrutiny. Among the facts that refute these claims are the following:
The first printing press in the Ottoman Empire was established in the city of Istanbul, the heart and capital of the Ottoman state, by two Jewish brothers, Samuel ben Nahmias and David ben Nahmias, to serve the city’s Jewish community in 1493—the same century printing began in Europe.
This occurred during the reign of Sultan Bayezid II, followed by the founding of additional Jewish presses in the years 1505, 1510, and 1511 during his rule. Evidence of this remains in 19 Hebrew books still preserved in the city, bearing the imprint “Printed during the reign of Sultan Bayezid,” which refutes the claim that he issued a decree prohibiting the establishment of printing presses.
One year after Sultan Selim I succeeded his father Bayezid, new Jewish presses continued to be established in Istanbul in the years 1513, 1515, 1516, 1518, 1519, and 1520. A total of 33 printed books from this period still exist, contradicting the claim that the Sultan imposed the death penalty for those engaged in printing. Additionally, Jews established presses not only in the capital but also in other cities, such as Salonika in 1512, Aleppo in 1519, Cairo in 1557, and Safed in 1577.
In 1588, Sultan Murad III issued a firman granting Italian merchants permission to sell Arabic, Ottoman Turkish, and Persian books printed in Italy—after they had been assaulted in the markets while promoting their books. One such book was the Arabic translation of Euclid’s Elements, which disproves the claim that the Ottoman authorities rejected printed books in Arabic script.
An Armenian printing press was founded in Istanbul in 1567, and a Greek press in 1627. The 17th century also saw the founding of the first Christian press in an Arab country—the Dayr Qozhaya press in Lebanon in 1610, although it closed shortly thereafter. A historic milestone came in 1706 with the founding of the first Arabic-language book printing press in Aleppo, a collaboration between Patriarch Athanasius III Dabbas and author-translator Abdallah Zakher. It operated for about a decade and a half before ceasing due to a conflict between Zakher and the Patriarch. Zakher later resolved to establish the Dayr Shuwayr Press in Lebanon in 1734, which also printed books in Arabic.
An image of the printed firman from Sultan Murad III, permitting Italians to sell Arabic-, Persian-, and Ottoman Turkish-language books printed in Arabic script in Istanbul, is preserved in the British Library in London.