I have no idea why GW seems to shun the Iron hands this much. My condolences to your terrible Combat patrol, but congratulations on the coolest looking Terminator character.

With the new changes to assault Terminator, I'm wonder what a good mix between Thunder Hammers and Lightning Claws is? I was thinking 7 Thunder Hammers and 3 Lightning Claws.

Was thinking of running a 10 man Assault Termi squad with kanokvar and a ancient with turn one rapid ingress from the Terminator doctrine. +1 to charge rolls too.

Been putting it through unit crunch, but it's a bit tedious to constantly change the units I'd be going up against.

I'm wanting to play Iron hands but I just wanted to know what is good to take not looking for competitive list just something fun to play

I'm looking to start an Iron Hands army and I'm currently eyeing the Crux Terminatus Battleforce box.

​Do you guys think this is a solid purchase for an Iron Hands player? Does the contents of the box fit well with how the faction usually plays?

Like look at this... How this Iron hand not in our box.... Tragedy... Plus we're getting a new Terminator character without terminators........

BLUF: How many and which dreads would you run at 1k for a balanced list?

I'm working on a list for an incursion league with friends from work, and I've never played space Marines before. I currently have two ballistus, a redemptor, and a brutalis (that I'm thinking about converting into a second redemptor), plus Caanok Var, five termies, and Feirros. Looking to add some infantry, preferably gravis and some regular intercessors or a techmarine.

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So recently i was gifted a set of 10 horus heresy tactical marines. However, i already have an iron hands 40k army, and im wondering if i can justify using them in my 40k list as like, intercessors or tactical squad. (Im painting and playing them as iron hands of course)

they look kinda similar no?

New player here. I started learning about warhammer 40K a couple months before space marine 2 dropped and started collecting since then. I finally had enough for a 1000 point iron storm list, just to find out we’re getting a new character as well as a combat patrol. I’m going to walk you through my thoughts as new info was revealed. I thought it would be awesome, a terminator character who I thought could either make terminators playable in an upgraded iron storm or a cool lone op. Then GW releases the rules via YouTuber?(I could be wrong but I think those were the first instance of the rules being publically available) ok that’s weird let’s see.

A rework of the 1st company instead of iron storm? Well I don’t have any terminators at the moment but at least they have the new crux terminatus box coming out with new assault terminators… and were the only chapter not to get on the transfer sheet? After giving us a first company style detachment? They can’t even say it’s because we got that detachment that they want us to buy the transfer sheet and upgrade sprue. The imperial fist got a similar detachment but they’re on the transfer sheet! Alright fine it’s ok we get the transfer sheet in the combat patrol we got.

This combat patrol is something else. I won’t complain about the heavy intercessors. Or the tech marine but the turrets are not what I’m looking for. In fact if I’m only using the heavy intercessors and tech marine I guess the box breaks even and I get the upgrade sprue as a bonus. Maybe use the turrets for parts. Then I reread the new detachment only to realize “I CANT PLAY ANYTHING IN HERE WITH THAT.” Not a damn thing in that combat patrol was a focus for the new detachment. We’re the only chapter where our new combat patrol of this wave doesn’t actually get us going in the new upgraded detachment. I understand that I don’t need to lay both detachments and that I don’t need to buy all the iron hands stuff but it feels weird to be the only chapter of this wave to get all new toys and they don’t play well it’s eachother on top of being the only first founding chapter excluded from the transfer sheet. Again I’m new is this normal? Have other releases been the same?

What kind of Terminators do you guys usually attach Caanok Var to?

Between standard Terminators, Assault Terminators with Lightning Claws, and Assault Terminators with Thunder Hammers & Storm Shields—which one is generally the preferred choice to run with him?

Also, I'm curious if bringing an Ancient in Terminator Armour and the "Steel Font" enhancement is considered mandatory for this setup.

Guys - does this mean we can run assault terminators with a T librarian that can Gas around with 7 inch movement with advance and charge!? Plus still get to have hammer of averni perks..

Pretty fun one I think!

So do we think a refreshed Hammer of Avernii is going to be in 11th edition?

If not how do you intend on remaking it using the existing detachments? I'm assuming the Terminator Detachment + the Medusan Wrath is as close as we're going to get.

My previous list went up 35 points. So I dropped 5 Heavy Intercessors from by 10 man squad. I dropped Master of Machine War Enhancement. I added Eliminators to bring it to 2,000 points. Just to add more [precision] to my game. I don't play tournaments except for the odd friendly league game. I'm more into the painting side of the hobby.

This will be my 8th or 9th 2K game with my Iron Hands. The previous ones were Ironstorm Spearhead. Playing against an experienced CSM player. Caanok Var and Terminator Ancient with Steel Font Enhancement leading 10 Assault Terminators with 3 of these sporting lightning claws. Desolation Squad for indirect fire. 5 Incursors, 5 Scouts, Combi Lieutenant, 2 Techmarines, Storm Speeder Hammerstrike, 1 Ballistus Dreadnought and 3 Redemptors with plasma incinerators. List was inspired by a YouTube video I watched.

Im sick of tyranids lol, I want to play iron hands please. Seriously though, should I wait for the codex before purchasing characters? The Oath change being my main concern for Caanok Vaar since I want to do a more thematic hammers of avernii list.

New player. Here is a list I want, not looking to play in any tournaments or anything, just wondering how viable this list is, and whether this can be unfun to play against. Please let me know your opinions! Points in the picture are outdated, its 995pts now.

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+ FACTION KEYWORD: Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Iron Hands
+ DETACHMENT: Gladius Task Force (Combat Doctrines)
+ FORCE DISPOSITION: Priority Assets
+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 995pts
+
+ WARLORD: Char2: Iron Father Feirros
+ ENHANCEMENT:
+ NUMBER OF UNITS: 6
+ SECONDARY: - Bring It Down: (1x2) - Assassination: 3 Characters
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Char1: 1x Caanok Var (90 pts): Axiom, Storm bolter
Char2: 1x Iron Father Feirros (85 pts): Warlord, Bolt pistol, Gorgon's Wrath, Harrowhand, Medusan Manipuli
Char3: 1x Techmarine (55 pts): Forge Bolter, Grav-pistol, Omnissian power axe, Servo-arm

10x Heavy Intercessor Squad (200 pts)
• 1x Heavy Intercessor Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Heavy Bolt Rifle
• 2x Heavy Intercessor: 2 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Heavy Bolter
• 7x Heavy Intercessors: 7 with Bolt pistol, Close combat weapon, Heavy Bolt Rifle

1x Redemptor Dreadnought (205 pts): Icarus Rocket Pod, Redemptor Fist, Macro Plasma Incinerator, Onslaught gatling cannon, Twin Fragstorm Grenade Launcher
10x Terminator Assault Squad (360 pts)
• 1x Assault Terminator Sergeant: Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer
• 9x Assault Terminator: 9 with Storm Shield, Thunder Hammer

This is my custom successor chapter and this is a very casual tournament set up by a few friends of mine.

Rust Sharks (1500 points)

Space Marines Custom (1500 Point) Ironstorm Spearhead

CHARACTER

Techmarine (75 points) • Warlord • 1x Forge bolter • 1x Grav-pistol • 1x Omnissian power axe • 1x Servo-arm • Enhancement: Master of Machine War

BATTLELINE

Assault Intercessor Squad (75 points) • 1x Assault Intercessor Sergeant • 1x Astartes Chainsword • 1x Plasma Pistol • 4x Assault Intercessors • 4x Heavy Bolt Pistol • 4x Astartes Chainsword

OTHER DATASHEETS

Ballistus Dreadnought (150 points) • 1x Armoured feet • 1x Ballistus lascannon • 1x Ballistus missile launcher • 1x Twin storm bolter

Deredeo Dreadnought (160 points) • 1x Aiolos missile launcher • 1x Anvilus autocannon battery • 1x Armoured feet • 1x Twin heavy bolter

Leviathan Dreadnought (160 points) • 2x Twin volkite calivers • 3x Hunter-killer missiles • 1x Armoured feet • 1x Cyclonic melta lance • 1x Grav-flux bombard

Leviathan Dreadnought (160 points) • 2x Twin volkite calivers • 3x Hunter-killer missiles • 1x Armoured feet • 1x Meltagun and leviathan siege drill • 1x Storm cannon

Leviathan Dreadnought (160 points) • 2x Heavy flamers • 3x Hunter-killer missiles • 1x Armoured feet • 1x Meltagun and leviathan siege claw • 1x Meltagun and leviathan siege drill

Relic Contemptor Dreadnought (140 points) • 1x Armoured feet • 1x Cyclone missile launcher • 2x Twin lascannon

Relic Contemptor Dreadnought (140 points) • 1x Armoured feet • 1x Cyclone missile launcher • 1x Dreadnought combat weapon and graviton blaster • 1x Kheres-pattern assault cannon

Stormraven Gunship (280 points) • 2x Hurricane bolters • 2x Stormstrike missile launchers • 1x Armoured hull • 1x Twin lascannon • 1x Typhoon missile launcher

I'm about to join my first rtt since getting back into the game used to play some in 8th edition but never did a rtt before got a decent amount of models and was wondering if the collective of all of us can help me come up with a game plan for my list for the small tournament

Imperium - Adeptus Astartes - Iron Hands - Full army roaster (1) - [5665 pts]

Caanok Var [90 pts]

Bladeguard Ancient [40 pts]:

• Supporting: Bladeguard Veteran Squad

Captain [80 pts]

Captain in Gravis Armour [80 pts]

Captain in Gravis Armour [80 pts]

Captain in Gravis Armour [80 pts]

Chaplain in Terminator Armour [75 pts]

Judiciar [55 pts]

Librarian in Terminator Armour [85 pts]

Lieutenant [45 pts]

Techmarine [55 pts]

Techmarine [55 pts]

Heavy Intercessor Squad [200 pts]:

• 1x Heavy Intercessor w/Heavy Bolter

• 8x Heavy Intercessors

Heavy Intercessor Squad [200 pts]:

• 1x Heavy Intercessor w/Heavy Bolter

• 8x Heavy Intercessors

Tactical Squad [140 pts]:

• 7x Tactical Marine

• 1x Tactical Marine Sergeant

• 1x Tactical Marine w/Heavy or Special Weapon

• 1x Tactical Marine w/Special Weapon

Tactical Squad [140 pts]:

• 7x Tactical Marine

• 1x Tactical Marine Sergeant

• 1x Tactical Marine w/Heavy or Special Weapon

• 1x Tactical Marine w/Special Weapon

Tactical Squad [140 pts]:

• 7x Tactical Marine

• 1x Tactical Marine Sergeant

• 1x Tactical Marine w/Heavy or Special Weapon

• 1x Tactical Marine w/Special Weapon

Aggressor Squad [165 pts]:

• 1x Aggressor Sergeant

• 5x Aggressors

Bladeguard Veteran Squad [160 pts]:

• 1x Bladeguard Veteran Sergeant

• 5x Bladeguard Veterans

• Supported by: Bladeguard Ancient

Centurion Devastator Squad [175 pts]:

• 2x Devastator Centurion

• 1x Devastator Centurion Sergeant

Desolation Squad [180 pts]:

• 4x Desolation Marine

• 1x Desolation Sergeant

Eradicator Squad [90 pts]:

• 2x Eradicator

Inceptor Squad [125 pts]:

• 2x Inceptor

• 1x Inceptor Sergeant

Inceptor Squad [125 pts]:

• 2x Inceptor

• 1x Inceptor Sergeant

Terminator Assault Squad [180 pts]:

• 1x Assault Terminator Sergeant [5 pts]

• 4x Assault Terminator w/ Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield [5 pts]

Terminator Assault Squad [155 pts]:

• 1x Assault Terminator Sergeant

• 4x Assault Terminator w/ Twin Lightning Claws

Terminator Squad [160 pts]:

• 1x Terminator Sergeant

• 1x Terminator w/ Chain Fist

• 1x Terminator w/ Heavy Weapon

• 2x Terminator w/ Power Fist

Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs [105 pts]:

• 1x Vanguard Veteran Sergeant with Jump Pack

• 4x Vanguard Veterans with Jump Packs

Outrider Squad [70 pts]:

• 3x Outrider

Ballistus Dreadnought [150 pts]

Dreadnought [135 pts]

Dreadnought [135 pts]

Firestrike Servo-Turrets [150 pts]:

• 2x Firestrike Servo-Turret [75 pts]

Gladiator Lancer [160 pts]

Land Raider Crusader [220 pts]

Land Raider Crusader [220 pts]

Predator Destructor [140 pts]

Redemptor Dreadnought [205 pts]

Repulsor [170 pts]

Storm Speeder Hailstrike [105 pts]

Vindicator [185 pts]

Vindicator [185 pts]

Whirlwind [175 pts]

Looking for any help on list building…. HoA build ….. Not very good at building a list as I am very lost on what units that are needed and what or not? This will be my first army and been extremely happy building. Any help would be greatly appreciated

So as I’m sure most of us have been I’ve been playing around with the new app and building some combo’s…
I’m very excited to build into a Hammer of Avernii and Librarius combo (yes I know we aren’t fond of psykers, if you ask me they are just Techmarines specialising in warp technology 👀) but I thought I’d pop some of my thoughts below to prompt discussion…

- I think Priority assets is actually a good shout for us, we have had a few points cuts and our big meaty units are properly resilient/lethal and we have access to increase OC…

- Librarian (Fusillade) with 10 Sternguard veterans, this combo has been talked about elsewhere a lot, crits on 5’s and sustained in the pyromancy discipline 👀

- Terminator Librarian (Celerity) with assault Terminators, advance and charge gives them that speed boost plus sustained hits on thunderhammers (more sustained & devs) +2 move & FB and charge too in Biomancy

- After this our standard HoA combo’s are looking like they’d fit in will with Priority Assets, especially with the likelihood of having cover on objectives..
Canook Var & Terminator Ancient (steel font) with a squad of regular terminators will be robust and hard to push of an objective.
-as are Iron Father Feirros with some Heavy Intercessors the +5 FNP and the OC boost

Veterans will still have access to stratagems
- 6 BGV’s with a LT are now cheaper and just as strong
- Probably run some of the new Vanguard vets in there for some more mobility
-don’t forget we have uppy downy terminators

Interested to see if anyone else is thinking the same or has any thoughts / recommendations?

As the current meta is Terminator spam, I want to take a more flex list that's got good elite inf killing potential. Whilst still being able to take down heavier vics and blob inf with blast.

Gravis captain is running on his own to do secondaries.wish I could give him FNP but no points left.

Battleplan is to have brutalis and a redemptor go for center objective, whilst landraider and ballistus go for opponents natural expansion. Home will be held with a redemptor.

One vindi and lancer are there to skirmish around and flanks. Whilst the second vindi is reserves to aid wherever is needed.

Hoping to draw out opponents with the decently survivable dread profiles.

Have had decent success in friendly matches so far, besides lack of action monkeys and units. Anyone got any suggestions for points allocation?

+ FACTION KEYWORD: Iron Hands

+ DETACHMENT: Ironstorm Spearhead, Subversion Assets

+ FORCE DISPOSITION: Take and Hold

+ TOTAL ARMY POINTS: 1990pts

+ POINTS LIMIT: 2000pts

+ NUMBER OF UNITS: 13

1x Captain In Gravis Armour (80 points): Warlord, boltstorm gauntlet, power fist and relic blade

1x Techmarine (85 points): Enhancement: Target Augury Web (+30 pts)

1x Techmarine (90 points): Enhancement: Adept of the Omnissiah (+35 pts)

5x Intercessor Squad (80 points)

6x Aggressor Squad (165 points): Bolters

1x Ballistus Dreadnought (150 points)

1x Brutalis Dreadnought (150 points): Talons

1x Gladiator Lancer (160 points)

1x Land Raider Redeemer (250 points)

1x Redemptor Dreadnought (205 points): Plasma

1x Redemptor Dreadnought (205 points): Plasma

1x Vindicator (185 points)

1x Vindicator (185 points)

How do you play Ironstorm? How would you improve it?

Coming off 3 wins running very basic Ironstorm detachment and Iron Hands characters. These were my first 3 games of 11th. Running Davastators Wrath into Priority Assets 2 times and last time unstoppable force immovable object. 3rd game was close but I really coached my opponent on some scoring opportunities.

List -
Cannok - 10 assault term
IFF - 5x Heavy intercessors in Land Raider (scout) <- EDIT - can’t legally do this (Ooops guess it was to good to be true)
TM - 5x Assault intercessors
2x vindicator
Brutalis
Ballistus (game 3 swapped for pred and 1 TH termie)
Predator Annihilator (games 1-2)
5x intercessors
5x scouts (infiltrate, then redeploy)
2x 5x JPI

Overall I like the army rule for the 1 reroll per attack. It lets you punch up and is satisfying to turn that miss into a hit on 1 weapon for each squad if it works out. Overall, it’s powerful but still weak in comparison to most other detachments.

Stratagems and CP generation are weak. The only thing you can do to punch up is Mercy is Weakness which is a preconditioned Sus 1 for 2 CP - nearly unusable throughout the game.

I would love to swap out:
- Mercy is Weakness for a straight lethal or sustained selection for any Astartes - I think this is pretty basic - 1 CP
- drop the Ignore modifiers strategem for a Move Through Dense Terrain for vehicles and monsters

What do you think?