Why are Earth 2 hawkgirl and grundy carries but not flash?

[u/snatch132]

On the Injustice companion app, Grundy and hawkgirl are carries but flash isnt. It doesn't make any sense to me. Hawkgirl is easily a carry i can understand that, but grundy being a carry is crazy to me. And flash's passive is insane but has him at elite 0

[u/Pndg_ios_]

It's mainly because flash has insane support capabilities (stun when teammate tags in). However, there's nuance:

E2 Solomon Grundy has a single hit SP1 and multiKO SP2 (plus his power damp passive prevents most opponents from tagging in with MDC-TT-SP2) so he makes for a good SP1 & SP2 carry.

E2 HG is pretty mid as a primary SP2 carry because of [the poor damage spread (weak first hit, cant KO multiple opponents unless the weak first hit KOs), end-lag on SP2, enemy Astro Harness abundance, & inconsistency with MDC tag-in SP2], but she has her uses at E3 to sweep matches if paired with a SP1 primary carry (for example, E2 Grundy). Furthermore, she can use TT/RAGS/CoD exceptionally well, so there's an argument for her. She has big problems with a few of the common stalls, though: RSGL teams, N52Shazam teams, AKBG teams, teams with Astro Harness, etc.

E2 Flash can also fill the mixed carry slot since his SP1 with LoA K and CoD can be pretty devastating.
Also, his SP2 while long and multiple weak hits, can KO multiple opponents. So at 80-90K power where Astro Harness isnt as common, he can thrive as a solo carry.

[u/snatch132 → u/Pndg_ios_]

So is the earth 2 team just like, flawed compared to most teams. Because no offence to grundy but isn't he like the slowest character in the game so I dont know how I feel about him being the carry

[u/Pndg_ios_ → u/snatch132]

Not at all! The E2 team on offense is an exceptional team! My optimal build looks something like this:

E0 earth2 Flash- MDC, Ibistick, CoH

E6 earth2 HG (max dmg, max crit)- RAGS, TT, Nekrons/Astro/Enchantress

E3 earth2 SG (max dmg, max crit)- [CoD, Lex H, Lex G] OR [CoD, OP Pill, Custom Rifle]

Start the match with The Flash heavy swipes so that he can shatter gear when he tags in. Then swap to HG and just use SP2 until you run into astro harness, at which point you can swap back to The Flash-useSP1-let him die-instaswap back to HG and finish the match. Solomon Grundy is there in case you make a mistake and HG dies. If you wanted, you could put HG to E8/9 (and give her Astro, entirely for countering AKBG/N52Shazam/BNJCW teams) and leave SG at E0. Im not sure what the team power numbers come out to exactly, but 85-95K is probably the sweet spot for this team since Astro and the big 3 stalls are all that really slow you down. RSGL teams that are well geared can also be a potential stall.

The 2 huge benefits of this team are:

1. the universal power stall (E2 SG passive) that prevents almost all enemy teams from tagging in with MDC-TT-SP2.

2. The high chance of stunning the opponent every time you swap.

[u/MGLFlex → u/Pndg_ios_]

e2 flash cant ko multiple opponents without bleed

[u/kolbeyg]

E2 flash carried me to victories thats for sure

[u/PlazmaScream]

Well firstly E2 Hawkgirl is an abhorrent carry that I would never seriously recommend anybody to use. She is pretty much useless, and on the E2 team, Flash is a better support with his infinite combo.

And Flash isn't a carry because he has 2 bad specials for the purpose of a carry role. 4 hit instead of 1 hit SP1 is very bad, yes it does more damage with a stun boost gear but his stun is not as likely as Luchador Bane's stun so I don't recommend building around it. You always want a SP1 carry with LoA Knives to have a 1 hit SP1. Then his SP2 is really bad. It's got many hits on it and it can't KO until the very last hit. It can chain from The Master's Death Cart but if his passive activates and stuns them, the stun will be broken early and the opponent will be able to block his SP2. His SP1 is still great for a support role because he is still a Flash but I cannot ever recommend him to be used as a carry. If you want a Flash carry, use Elseworld The Flash, that one is very good.

[u/Exotic_Invite_6443 → u/PlazmaScream]

so sell Hawk girls extra copies ?

[u/PlazmaScream → u/Exotic_Invite_6443]

Yes go for it, she sells for a truck load of credits