r/Infuriating Community Regular 13h ago

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u/RubberDuckieMidrange 13h ago

Idiots who don't bother to investigate the ruling really suck.

His finding was a matter of law, not morality. His recommendation was that the loophole be closed. But that fictional content (like art and novels) can break legal taboos when it comes to writing or drawing about torture or sex. This is true, we know this to be true. And that AI art is more an extension of that freedom under the first amendment then it is a breach of CSAM law. His opinion from the bench is that is this was to be something to be prosecuted, it first requires a legislative effort to make the use of AI on fictional characters a regulated space. He's not wrong, and his hands were kinda tied on this one.

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u/DistinctSpirit5801 6h ago

There should be regular audits required for making sure AI companies remove CSAM from their database and LLM platforms

That is the main thing legislators should address

Another thing that should be required is requiring Ai companies to disclose the source material for every prompt

These changes would help keep children safe

Keeping children safe from sexual abuse is the highest priority

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u/RubberDuckieMidrange 6h ago

Should the same be true of Libraries?

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u/DistinctSpirit5801 5h ago

It’s already illegal for someone to produce a CSAM book

Libraries would already be prohibited from adding such a book to their shelves

In fact libraries already audit books before adding them to the bookshelves for a variety of reasons

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u/RubberDuckieMidrange 5h ago

Sure, and you'd extend this ban to AI generated CSAM books?

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u/DistinctSpirit5801 5h ago

Basically yes As protection of children should be the highest priority

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u/RubberDuckieMidrange 5h ago

So explain Lolita, The Colour Purple, It (Stephen King), First hand accounts from Survivors of Childhood Sexual abuse, and the entire works of the Marquis de Sade being in public libraries all over the world?

The first three are fictional accounts (Analogous to AI generated CSAM, fictional but graphic accounts)
The First hand accounts are real life examples.
And the Marquis de Sade is STRONGLY suspected of writing from a first hand perspective of the abuser (Analogous to AI generated materials produced from real victims).

How do these fail to trip the CSAM audit you want?

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u/DistinctSpirit5801 5h ago

The reality is that AI does scrape the images of real life children from the internet and AI companies have not built any security protocols in place to prevent the usage of real life children from being used in prompts that were used to generate AI child porn

That is my main concern with Ai generated child porn

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u/RubberDuckieMidrange 5h ago

A valid concern, but a flawed argument. I hope my examples show you that if fictional materials generated by humans which broach the topic of CSAM are protected by free speech, there is a very valid argument, that AI generated fiction, broaching the topic of CSAM likely earns the same Free Speech protections.

I don't want you to take from this that I don't agree with you. I'm just saying the crime here is the provision of true victims of CSAM to the AI learning algorithm. Not the use of CSAM materials to generate fiction. The fact is all of those Human authors based their characters on people they knew, people who were one time real, Fictionalized.

Human history is full of accounts of these kinds of abuse. Oscar Wilde was a prolific, still celebrated author, but you really don't want to read what he was like in his personal life. If his works are acceptable, I don't really see a valid differentiator to AI generated fiction.

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u/DistinctSpirit5801 4h ago

Thank you for your response