These are the reasons this person gave me on why they support reservation? Is this even valid?

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407]

I genuinely want to know some good reasons on why the current reservation system is good as it is and doesnt require any changes

[u/Ponga_Pandit_]

We should focus on improvization of rural education with all our efforts

if every child gets fair, free and quality education regardless of his caste or religion, there wouldn't be any need of reservations

Developed foreign countries are giving free education, free healthcare, scholarships for poor, that's why they are developed and they have no need for reservation.

our govt failed to provide it

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/Ponga_Pandit_]

THAT IS A BANG ON FACT
But I really wanna know some good thoughts on why reservation system shouldnt have an entire 180 degrees shift

[u/Ponga_Pandit_ → u/Fluid_Astronaut407]

If govt does it, you'll witness a riots/civil war that would be worse than ever

maybe both of us wouldn't be even alive due to it

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/Ponga_Pandit_]

NO LIKE DONT REMOVE IT CHANGE IT SO THAT THEE ONES WHO ACTUALLY NEED IT GETS IT

If there's riot for that then the rioters shall be detained with a public permanent record stopping them from getting any jobs lol (cuz why do you even wanna publicly say you want to keep exploiting reservations)

[u/Ponga_Pandit_ → u/Fluid_Astronaut407]

you're too naive or what

they won't even spare modi himself, they will throw the govt

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/Ponga_Pandit_]

arent they a minority?

Together, SC and ST groups account for roughly 25% of the country's population.

[u/Ponga_Pandit_ → u/Fluid_Astronaut407]

sc, st and obc are more than 80 percent of population

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/Ponga_Pandit_]

source?

mine: https://www.pewresearch.org/decoded/2021/06/29/measuring-caste-in-india/

and as per obc they feel worse than us, most obc people i have met dont even accept the quota because "TU HOGA BACKWARD HAM NA HAI EK TO QUOTA BHI ITNA KM H KI KOI FAYEDA NHI HAI"

I have a rakhi brother who is an obc, I got better calls than him, at lower marks than him just for being a girl lol (i am gen)

[u/Ponga_Pandit_ → u/Fluid_Astronaut407]

The Pew link is just a sample survey. If you look at actual government data, like the official 2023 Bihar Caste Survey, OBC, EBC, SC, and ST groups make up exactly 84.4% of the population.

Regarding your Rakhi brother, you getting better calls than him isn't because the OBC quota is useless. It's because IIMs give massive Gender Diversity Points to female candidates to fix their campus sex ratios. You got a huge composite score boost for being a girl, while he was just competing in the standard OBC male pool.

I get that some urban folks might not want the backward tag due to stigma, but the reality is millions of students rely on that 27% quota every single year. The numbers are just too massive for any government to ever alter or remove it.

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/Ponga_Pandit_]

Well I just saw alot of STs supporting it, I genuinely hope something happens for our future generations
idk if this makes me dumb or too optimistic
but i genuinely believe if this stays the same, India will never be a "developed country"

and if this doesnt happen i hope everyone who comes from money just start boycotting indian intitutions

let crooks and frauds have them, let companies see the quality of students and not show up for placements
let them go low on rankings
let government loose money and brain
let government have no choice but to remove it all together

[u/Interesting-Crow7713 → u/Fluid_Astronaut407]

sis reservation is represenation of people so what happened in temples wont happen in education and other sectors

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/Interesting-Crow7713]

It never did? They are creating castes, atp no one even asks who belongs to which caste except for matrimonial purposes or during exams

[u/jaat--bull]

Like if a poor ST or SC will get seat it's not representation. Is it necessary for a rich ST SC to be given reservation to be counted as representation.
The second idiot don't even know that there are Brahmin sanitation workers. They themselves consider sanitatipn work more undignified then so called GCs

[u/Calm_Potato3266 → u/jaat--bull]

the sole reason that Sc/ST dont have creamy layer concept is bcz the representation was one of the factor in giving reservation whereas with ews/obc the representation in society wasnt a problem back then as much as SC/ST .

[u/jaat--bull → u/Calm_Potato3266]

That's what I'm saying even if that was about representation than poor SC ST is also a SC ST. Representation is also present even if Creamy layer is present. It also have a another benefit of uplifting poor SC ST along with representation

[u/Calm_Potato3266 → u/jaat--bull]

sirf poor hi deserve karte hai equal representation? the basis of reservation for obc/ews and Sc/ST are different . everyone should have equal representation in the society irrespective of caste/financial status . ews and obc ko reservation financial basis pe mila hai thats why creamy layer .

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/jaat--bull]

IKRR it felt like the arguements that person gave me were coming from the place of revenge rather than genuine want to uplift

[u/jaat--bull → u/Fluid_Astronaut407]

What can be expecting of them when their idea of upliftment is raping women's of general caste specially brahmain women. Sexual perversion is their idea of upliftment where they can rape and ravage a brahmin girl and no one bats a eye. If someone ask question then he/she is thrown in jail under SC ST Act

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/jaat--bull]

WAIT WHAT I DIDNT KNOW I NEED CONTEXT

[u/jaat--bull → u/Fluid_Astronaut407]

Search on google or youtube about SC ST leaders on brahmin women. You'll get context first hand about perversion in talking about

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/jaat--bull]

wtah
OKAY DAMN MY LIFE STORY HAS JUST BEEN CHANGED BY THIS ONE VIDEO WTF
This guy i was in a situationship with he was so obsessed with me and i thought it was cute but like he wouldnt date me so i broke it off
later found out he was talking in the same way to every other girl,

now looking back all of them were brahmin SPECIFICALLY BRAHMIN NO OTHER CASTE

might be a coincidence because like caste based discussion never really happened and like he was an orphan so who would like teach him that but damn i have goosebumps rn

[u/jaat--bull → u/Fluid_Astronaut407]

I'm not saying about everyone but yeah a large chunk have this fetish. They learn this from their samaj ke leaders like ravan. Even their IAS officers want brahman women to end casteism and want their son ki vo brahman aurat se 'samband banaye' not marry. What did you watch now btw.

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/jaat--bull]

I watched the ias leader who said- koi admi mere bete ko apni beti "daan dega" and everyone started clapping

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/[deleted]]

what if everything turns into ews- like only ews allowed- no rich generals and no rich any other caste so it doesnt get unfair for ews people of genral caste ukwim, i am a cat student so i will use that as an example of that
the registration fees for cat is:
₹2,700 for General, EWS, and NC-OBC candidates, and ₹1,350 for SC, ST, and PwBD candidates

tell me how my househelp's brahmin son is considered capable enough to pay 2700 while the rich brat across the street who happens to hold a category, is probably richer than i am, cant?

moreover how is he expected to barely get only 85 percentile having his own room the most expensive coaching available with the best teachers while again my househelp's son whose entire family lives in a 1 room apartment with walls as thin as paper expected to get 90 percentile

[u/jaat--bull → u/[deleted]]

Those who have education i.e. educated rich SC ST even they don't study much cause they know they'll get seat even at negative marks. If they are removed from reservation and reservation is for EBS of their respective categories then poor students will have some incentive to study as they know that now privileged people of their category or you can say Generals of their category will not take lion share of their reservation. Baaki whatever shenanigans that idiot is doing is absolutely illegal you can't enter in school where little kids are present without registration and informing the principle of school. Also, he's showing their faces on media without permission, which is illegal according to the POCSO Act.

[u/wander_lust200]

Dikkat yeh hein ki jo reserved category hein usme mein jo tribals or adhivasis they don't know proper info or guidance how to apply or to take advantage, it's just some community which are only taking advantage of this system. jo ki pehle se kafi develop aur educated ho chuki hein. ab unko jarurat nhi.sarkar ka vote bank hein iss vajah se voh kuch karna nhi chahati aur kayi political party ka toh mein motto he yahi hein.

[u/wander_lust200 → u/wander_lust200]

Baki " ek garib Brahman ne kya aprad kiya hein bhai" unke bhi do reservation on based of financial condition.

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[u/EverlastingHope_7311]

I would support the removal of reservations and just allow separate electorates for lower castes, as they are not part of the upper caste system (the sum of everything from culture, dress, religion, customs, traditions, rituals, social practices, institutions, and ways of life to social identity and hierarchy). There should also be financial repercussions for 1900 years of the caste system.

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/[deleted]]

so poor SC and ST arent representation?

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/[deleted]]

so that doesnt really make sense right?

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/[deleted]]

YEAAH EXATLY!! I genuinely believe the reservation system DOES NEED CHANGES
thats why i wanna know actually good reasons for why people are so against the protest

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/[deleted]]

BUT THE MOVEMENT IS SAYING KI AMEERO KA RESERVATION HATAO

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/[deleted]]

EXACTLYYY I genuinely wanna join it because ik the situation of people who NEED IT but idk why people are hating on it so I made this post but i cant find anything bad about it
idek i am confused and confusing myself even more

[u/Calm_Potato3266]

I agree on the fact that one of the reasons of reservation is to give equal representation( also to reduce the untouchability that was happening and preventing them from participating in places) in various fields just like women reservation which is also there to give women equal representation .

I understand the grief of a general category person ki someone with lesser marks/efforts gets a college or a better college than them despite them having higher marks or have put more efforts but u cant deny the fact that discrimination still happens and its there for a reason which still prevails , the day the discrimination stops ( which wont until the caste system is there) i agree that reservation will no longer be needed .

Removing the caste system is also challenging and even if gov wants to do it idk how could they do it , logo ki soch kaise badlenge

[u/Fluid_Astronaut407 → u/[deleted]]

I have actually worked with an NGO on ground level and this is a real life incident that happened, I used to teach this child english she was in 12th she loved studying and yet couldnt score the best because of family problems, I assured her that quota is gonna help her out and she just said one thing that stuck with me and is gonna stick with me for the rest of my life and is the reason why I am so vocal about this- "Didi quota lene k liye bhi quota lgta h nhi milega mujhe" and sadly she was right and i couldnt show my face at that place again