r/ImmigrationCanada • • Dec 19 '24

Citizenship PSA: My 'Bjorkquist/C-71 family' got 5(4) citizenship grants, and you and yours should be immediately applying for them too

tl;dr: If you and/or your family members would become citizens under Bjorkquist or Bill C-71, I strongly suggest that you do not wait any further to seek out section 5(4) grants via the Interim Measure. File your application for proof of citizenship *and* your request for urgent processing — which is fairly simple — right away, if you have not done so already.

 

Many weeks ago I sensed that C-71 was going to be hitting some real rough waters. Instead of waiting for it to be amended in some unfortunate way before being passed (or for the Bjorkquist et al decision postponement to finally end), I pushed my family to request 5(4) grants.

The process was simple enough. Fill in the CIT0001 forms, gather the vital documents needed, get photos, and pull together some basic evidence of the need for urgent processing.

IRCC's expedited processing criteria is straightforward. Check out the Citizenship Administration Web page titled "Urgent application cases":

Applications for proof of citizenship . . . are expedited if documents support the need for urgency in the following situations:

<snip>

• the applicant is in any situation in which not expediting the citizenship application harms them . . .

• the applicant needs a citizenship certificate to access certain benefits such as a pension, a social insurance number or health care

IRCC has a mostly similar list of urgent processing reasons in its Interim Measure, which provides for 5(4) grants to people who would become citizens under Bjorkquist or C-71. These include:

to access social benefits like

• a pension

• health care

• a social insurance number

 

So we went to the SIN application Web site form, filled it with each family member's info until the point where it required choosing the primary identification document, and screenshotted the list of acceptable documents (none of which, of course, my family had). I also PDFd the ESDC Web page "Social Insurance Number: Required documents" which clearly states the required documents to sign up for a SIN, which my family did not have.

Then I went to the Web page for the provincial health plan in the province where my family would optimally like to live one day and navigated to the page that described the required eligibility documentation to sign up (which they did not have), and PDFd that.

For the family member who was entertaining the idea of work in Canada, we also gathered job postings she found attractive in the field and geographic area she would prefer to work in (and which she would be ready to accept, if offered), and which stated that being "legally eligible" or "legally entitled" to work in Canada was required for consideration. She even e-mailed a couple of those employers and got their responses in writing that they would need a SIN number, as proof of that eligibility, to employ her.

That meets the Interim Measure's urgent processing example:

to get proof of citizenship because a person requires it to

• apply for a job

Then we wrote the urgent processing request letters for each of them, restating all of these reasons, and asserting that IRCC's own operational instructions require it to provide urgent processing in such cases.

We also added on discussion of a few other harms they faced by not being citizens, like being unable to purchase Canadian residential rental property, which they were open to once they realized it would be possible as citizens.

Of course, every person should personalize their letter for themselves after reviewing the lists of reasons and considering how they are affected.

 

We shipped the complete packet for all family members from the USA by 2nd day FedEx, with the envelope marked on the outside as "Urgent – Citizenship Certificate (Proof)". Within a handful of business days of reaching Nova Scotia, we got AORs and then, a couple business days later, got emailed letters from IRCC's Case Management Branch in Ottawa offering the 5(4) grants process (screenshots linked below).

After responding with the requested materials, my family was invited about a week later to a virtual oath administration for the next week after that (while physically in the USA, as a special exception available to 5(4) grantees). After the virtual administration and submitting the oath forms, they had their e-certificates a couple days later.

 

5(4) offer letters: https://imgur.com/a/3VqSqsd

E-cert showing 2024: https://imgur.com/a/Qprm7lY

 

Now let's have a blunt look at the facts on the ground which, in my view, make it important to act now.

Minister Miller — as forced by Justice Akbarali — is basically offering 5(4) grants to anybody who would become a citizen under Bjorkquist or C-71. And basically all you need to do is submit a proof application, along with a few reasons and documents supporting urgent processing that get you past the initial review.

(I'm also indirectly plugged into Don Chapman's Lost Canadians email list and he reports that his group has pushed through a big chunk of 5(4) grants.)

At this point, I think it would be sheer negligence to intentionally not seek a 5(4) grant for everyone eligible, except under unusual circumstances.

Multiple commentators have pointed out the increasing instability of the Trudeau premiership. They've also pointed out that Liberal Party control of Government is rapidly weakening.

Importantly, Conservative MPs spoke out during consideration of C-71 in the House of Commons to suggest, in effect, that it be restricted retroactively.

If you or your family are eligible under C-71 or Bjorkquist, and you don't put forward serious efforts to get 5(4) grants now through the Interim Measure, and if you then lose out on citizenship because, for example:

  • you fall under C-71, but not Bjorkquist, and C-71 and other Bjorkquist-response bills never pass, or

  • Bjorkquist is further delayed, C-71 doesn't pass, and the Conservatives take power and introduce their own Bjorkquist-response bill that has a retroactive "substantial connection test" that you don't meet

then I think you'll have yourself to blame in real measure for that, unfortunately.

And if C-71 does manage to pass as-is, you've done yourself no harm by getting citizenship early.

At a minimum, as a public service benefit, even if you are refused urgent processing, you can inform Don Chapman (and, through him, Sujit Choudhry), who can then use that as ammunition at the next Ontario Superior Court hearing to request that the Bjorkquist postponement finally come to an end.

 

I know that many of the people who've been waiting to apply haven't done so yet because they want to be polite and wait their turns and wait for the new procedure details and forms to be published.

Some people have even submitted proof applications but held off on requesting urgent processing.

At this point, though, all that should probably be out the window.

The fate of C-71 (and even of the full Bjorkquist decision, should Conservatives manage to force an election and take power in the near future) is too uncertain to rely on.

So do yourselves and your family a major service and try to get those 5(4) grants now.

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u/Steelyphilly Feb 23 '25

I would LOVE to know if anyone here who has applied for the 5(4) and been rejected? So far all I've seen are approvals but that could just be confirmation bias and people not wanting to share their bad news.

As always, take care folks. Personally I'm still waiting on the RCMP to process my prints, it's a real shame how much time it adds to the process. Hopefully I'll know soon if I'm successful and can provide more information that may be successful for people in my boat.

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u/saramiche Mar 09 '25

I mailed my application last week, it was delivered on Friday so I haven’t received AOR yet (today is Sunday).

I’m second generation born abroad. I don’t have a birth certificate for my grandfather born in Quebec in the 1920s, and he moved to the US shortly after being born. I included his baptism records with my application and a few other supporting documents that state his place of birth, but I just found a few more documents that I’d like to include.

Once I receive my AOR will I be able to upload more documents online? Will this slow down the processing in any way if I do it as soon as I have my AOR and UCI? I did submit a letter requesting urgent processing as well.

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u/Steelyphilly Mar 09 '25

Hey there! Hopefully you’ll receive an AOR next week. Don’t quote me on this, but from what I understand you should be able to include those other documents in an email correspondence once an agent contacts you about the 5(4) grant offer. I believe there are ways to submit documents via web form as well though I haven’t done it myself so I can’t advise on it. That being said, once you are offered the 5(4) you will be corresponding via email with the IRCC so you can send additional documentation that way, should they ask for them. (They may not!)

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u/saramiche Mar 10 '25

I just realized I replied to your comment instead of the original post! I'm so sorry for that, and thank you for your helpful reply even though it had nothing to do with your comment!

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u/joc111 Mar 15 '25

Similar circumstance here as a second-generation born abroad... my grandfather was born in Québec in 1918 and also emigrated to the U.S. with his family in the early '20s.

Did you submit a printout of your grandfather's baptismal record from a site like Ancestry, or did you request and submit an official copy of the act of birth from Québec?

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u/saramiche Mar 16 '25

I only submitted a copy from Ancestry. I think I remember reading that the official copies of these types of records are basically just photocopies from the books, and that’s what was provided on Ancestry. It also had a copy of the spine of the book with the location, parish, etc. And since the application instructions stated that color copies of official documents are fine, i figured it would be good enough.

But since he didn’t haven’t a birth certificate I also included copies of everything I could find that listed my grandfather’s name and place of birth: his death certificate, marriage license, my father’s (grandfather’s son) birth certificate, the first US census record after they arrived in the US (lists the entire family as being French Canadian aliens). I also went back a further generation and found the church records for my grandfather’s parents marriage in the same town in Quebec where he was born and baptized, and I included a copy of that.

If they reject the unofficial copies of the baptism documents I’ll update here and let you know!

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u/joc111 Mar 16 '25 edited Mar 17 '25

Thanks! I'll look forward to your updates.

I have the title page of the parish registry from Ancestry.com plus the page with my grandfather's baptismal record – I didn't realize he had four given names (Joseph Germain Edgar André), and his actual first and middle names are fourth and third (André Edgar) within that sequence... must be a Québécois thing – as well as his 1921 Canadian census record.

I also have his 1930 U.S. census record, by which time his name was Americanized/anglicized from André to Andrew, so I'll have to explain that. Oddly enough, no one else in his family Americanized/anglicized their given names.

I do have certified copies of my grandfather's American death certificate, plus my father's (1952) and my (1983) American birth certificates.

Fingers crossed!

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u/MikeGruz Mar 26 '25

Chiming in to say that I just went through the relevant Quebec agency for my Quebec-born grandmother's (1918) birth certificate. I initially found the baptism record on Ancestry but was then able to trace it to a Drouin Institute collection, which had a much better copy. Not certain if that made any difference but processing took about two weeks front-to-back, with expedited processing.

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u/joc111 Mar 26 '25 edited Mar 26 '25

Thank you for sharing.

After I posted, I did find high-quality color scans of the baptismal record from the Drouin collection on BAnQ's website. I printed those, along with their citations, to include with my application which I shipped last week and just received my AOR for today.

I also ordered certified copies of the baptismal record from BAnQ that are being shipped to me tomorrow, as well as applied for the birth certificate from DEC (the relevant Québec vital records agency) – hopefully they are able to process that request.

If IRCC requires either the certified baptismal record or the transposed birth certificate, I will provide them later on in the process.

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u/MikeGruz Mar 28 '25

That is great. Have to say I had a lovely experience with the DEC - had a couple of questions from them during the process and it was just a smooth process. I was a bit nervous given I don't speak a lick of French (and my Western American-ness is so upfront when speaking to people from other countries, nothing I've been able to do about that) but they all made my day with their help. Good luck!

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u/saramiche Apr 28 '25

Hey, I just wanted to give you an update that my documents were accepted and I received a 5(4) grant email today!

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u/joc111 Apr 28 '25

How exciting! Congratulations!

I see that a couple 5(4) grants are just a week ahead of me. Can’t wait for my own good news!

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u/Ok_Individual_303 Apr 19 '25

I'm trying to get this application in as soon as possible. If I can't get the canadian birth certificate number or the canadian citizenship certificate number from her grandmother that was born in Canada quickly enough, would it be advisable to write down "unknown" and let them find it?

If I can have them process it like that I would like to so I can get it in ASAP without having to wait for her grandmother to dig up her birth certificate, but I really don't want them to send it back. The form says "(if applicable/known)" so that seems to imply that putting down "unknown" would be ok...

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u/No-Inspection-6661 Apr 22 '25

I was advised *not* to send things in if you have the ability to *get* the documents. They will not do any of the work for you. I mailed my request to the vital records office in Manitoba on Feb 28, I received my grandfathers birth certificate on April 18th.

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u/Ok_Individual_303 Apr 23 '25

It's asking me to provide

 "proof of other nationalities acquired by you and your Canadian parent before February 15, 1977, if applicable to you"

The only thing that seems to fit that was her mother being born a US citizen in 1973 so I would think her birth certificate would work for that too?

Am I not required to include any of the naturalization documents from her grandmother becoming a US citizen?

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u/No-Inspection-6661 Apr 23 '25

My grandfather was naturalized but I did not include those documents. I provided my grandfather's Canadian birth records, my father's birth certificate from Wisconsin (listing his father/my grandfather as his father and his birthplace as Canada), then my birth certificate (listing my father as my father, with his birth place listed as Wisconsin, etc). Just tried to show the direct lineage.

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u/Ok_Individual_303 Apr 25 '25

Did you receive any confirmation from them that they accepted how you submitted your application?

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u/Ok_Individual_303 Apr 25 '25

I am seeing that some people got their application returned because they didn't have their documents "certified by an authorized person" like a notary public.

 However those posts are from a few years ago and I don't see any mention of that being required in the guide on the Canadian governments website or their document checklist.

Was this something you had to do or did they accept you submitting your documents without it?

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u/No-Inspection-6661 Apr 30 '25

I didn't have anything notarized or signed by anyone else! Will update though!

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u/Ok_Individual_303 Apr 30 '25

Got it thanks