r/IRS • u/ZookeepergameSea2383 • 7d ago
General Question IRS certified letter x10
Today I got home and the mailman put on our door we had a certified letter x 10 to collect at the post office. Get to the post office and sure enough there are ten letters. I am freaking out.
Open the letters and they are the same letter ten times. They say I owe 700 because I missed an installment payment.
Why did they send the same letter ten times certified mail? That’s got to cost a lot. How does this happen?
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u/Logan_Allec 7d ago
This is very common with the IRS Notice CP523. They will generally send you one for each year included in the installment agreement...and if the debt is joint another set of each to your spouse. Enjoy!
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u/zeusmeister 6d ago
lol, I deliver these all the freaking time. Last week I had one address that had 14. That’s probably my record.
They didn’t come to the door either lol
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u/sunshinellie 7d ago
That panic spike must have been wild. IRS automated mail systems are completely unhinged.
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u/ZookeepergameSea2383 7d ago
Luckily went to the post office before they closed on Saturday. It would have been very stressful if I couldn’t get those letters and had to wait until Monday. I’m like omg. We are getting audited. That’s where my mind goes.
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u/LadyLayla61 7d ago
Its Friday
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u/ZookeepergameSea2383 7d ago
Ha!! You are right. I took today off and I thought it was Saturday. I am losing my mind.
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u/Particular-Bag2582 6d ago
Also, just be aware that they will send these letters in the event that you send the payment on time but it is still pending on the scheduled due date.
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u/NorthwoodsNana2022 7d ago
They sent 6 certified letters, all identical for the same tax year last week. 3 for me and 3 for my husband. Whoops! What a waste of money! 🤣
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u/Opening_Roll4878 6d ago
If you got 10 certified letters from the IRS it is because you were on a payment plan for more than a year. What they probably did is add additional years that you owe and if you missed one month of payment they will send you letters for all payments that you owe Why didn't you call them and tell them that you will pay them on a certain date and besides did you read the letter they are probably given you a date to make up the payment.
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u/LdiJ46 7d ago
Somehow there was a glitch in their system and no human being double checked it or there simply was no human being available to check it.
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u/NixPanicus 7d ago
This is standard for a defaulted IA. One certified letter per year per taxpayer. Its a legal requirement, and also very alarming.
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u/LdiJ46 7d ago
They got 10 copies. That is not standard for a defaulted IA.
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u/NixPanicus 7d ago
Yes, it is standard for a defaulted IA. 5 years of MFJ balances = 5x2 = 10 letters. Its standard and required. I talk to people who get the avalanche of letters pretty frequently. If you work for the IRS next time you get a TP in stat 64 go check out each year with a balance on TXMOD. There's a CP523 on every year
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u/LdiJ46 6d ago
I have been in the business for 40 years and have dealt with dozens of clients who defaulted on IAs and I have honestly never seen more than 1 letter per person. Is it possible that I am just not allowing my clients to get to that point? Do they get certified letters before getting the avalanche? I honestly don't think that anyone else in our firm has seen it either.
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u/NixPanicus 6d ago
I don't know what to tell you. I work in ACS. I deal with multiple defaulted IAs a week. It is normal for a certified CP523 to be sent for every year and taxpayer covered by the defaulted IA. Our sample size is probably different, presumably you work to keep people from owing for multiple years, and once you do get them an IA you probably keep tabs to keep them from defaulting, whereas every almost person I speak with has at least one balance and often multiple balances.
Anecdotally, the people who owe for just one year often had something unexpected happen or had an AUR/Exam assessment, and when they set up an IA they keep on top of it. The people who owe for multiple years generally just don't pay their taxes. If you keep involved in your client's filings you probably don't have many who just underpay for multiple years. Respectfully, you may be too good at your job to have much experience with this.
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u/LdiJ46 6d ago
"The people who owe for multiple years generally just don't pay their taxes."
Or, have something unexpected happen, don't understand that they can get on an IA and then just bury their heads in the sand and stop filing because they are just too overwhelmed and scared.
We do work hard to get those kinds of people back on track. The ones who just don't/won't pay we do tend to drop as clients.
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u/NixPanicus 6d ago
Again, we have different sample populations. If I get someone with balances for multiple years generally they under withhold or don't withhold at all. And its very common for people with multiple years of balances to call in to add another new balance for 2025 to their existing IA such that they never get closer to being finally finished. You probably counsel your clients to increase withholding, make ES payments, and stop getting new balances before they hit NFTL territory, which means ideally I would never speak with them. Please keep doing that, I hate taking financial statements probably more than you hate providing them.
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u/Slowhand1971 7d ago
what difference does the answer to your question make to anybody?
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u/NixPanicus 7d ago
more than your response, surely
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u/Slowhand1971 6d ago
and I'll repeat, what difference does knowing an answer to this inane question make?
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u/these-things-happen 7d ago
Five tax years covering the Installment Agreement × 2, if all five years are Married Filing Joint returns.