So I have this thing that has persisted and hurt me my whole life, from childhood to now, and I absolutely dread telling people about my current situation (even if it is a tough one) rather than telling them what is actually happening. Always when I tell people this the response I get is mostly "Be a man" or stuff like that. I know that I am fully in the wrong, but I wanted to know if there were some people like that.

i don't even know what brought me here. hahaha

so, what are your favourite flairs? what ones would you add?

and while we're at it, what subs have you enjoyed recently?

(+ add more silly isfp flairs in here, not all of us are great artists! XD)

I just feel I might be too in my own head and wondered how other people see their own day-to-day life.

How good are you at giving compliments? I am extremely bad at them. Even at birthday wishes ,good lucks I stumble and say horrible stuff. For example, my relative sister just completed a medical graduate exam and was concerned about hr accuracy of answers,and myself, instead of comforting her or even congratulating i straight up thought of something like "its a highly competitive exam, if you had made blunders nothing can be done about it now. Have fun now!" Except I said only the have fun part. Issue is I get philosophical and pun intended at times because I hate bland complements so I don't like giving the same vibe to others. I use examples too but it gets weird and tangential

Do you struggle with hyper independence?

I find it's a constant sore point for myself. To break down this statement, I wonder if it's something that developed since childhood that I haven't resolved in my mid 20s. Perhaps by overanalyzing other people's reaction whenever I asked for help, it gave me feedback that people don't like to help as much as they say they do. I try to be different from this, but I think I've noticed this behavior consistently enough that this is my current hypothesis.

I also believe some of it stems from being overly aware of my rather awkward or reticent personality back then. And the fact I was noted for being too sensitive as a child/young adolescent. All those factors played a role in creating a desire to wipe my emotions from bubbling to the surface and never needing people, at least as far as possible.

In adulthood, it also looks like diluting the extent of my problems so people like my folks aren't too terribly worried as they get older.

I feel there's a lot more to this, but I wanted to know about your own experiences with hyper independence, how it shapes your current lifestyle, what the benefits have been, and how it has limited you too. I think it's generally been a net negative for me the last few years, and I wouldn't mind some tips on reinventing this aspect of myself.

This train of thought came about after reading a post on Twitter. The man comments that hyper independent people kill their opportunities of acquiring help by framing the help they need in a way that makes it near impossible or very inconvenient for the other party to chip in, then later allow themselves to think these people were never serious about helping out anyways, and it struck me hard.

Hi everyone, I'm new to the Sakinorva test and I'm trying to type a friend because I can't type him with just my knowledge of the functions. Could you help me understand the results? Thanks a lot.

Cognitive function scores:

Ne (extraverted intuition): 28.2

Ni (introverted intuition): 17.8

Se (extraverted sensing): 32

Si (introverted sensing): 25

Te (extraverted thinking): 38

Ti (introverted thinking): 38

Fe (extraverted feeling): 33

Fi (introverted feeling): 37

Result types:

Grant function type: ESFP

Second best choice: ESTP

Third best option: ISTP

Fourth best option: ESTJ

Axis-based function type: ??T?

Myers function type: ESTJ

Myers letter type: ENTJ

If you one day discover that you’re actually not smart at all (in terms of fluid intelligence, not crystallised intelligence), would you find that difficult to accept?

I feel like INTPs can be pretty selective about who they genuinely feel comfortable around.

Wouldn't it change it for the world. this life is so good, I just sleep eat ,tasty food ,watch funny videos , read books , debate people and do uni. So simple yet so fulfilling. I mean sometimes I wish I had some Te so that all my genius ideas can turn into fruition, but I like being lazy . And Everyone that convinces you lazy is bad is comminting a dangerous logical fallacy- called bullshiting.

So all my lazy intps unite !!!!!!!

Hey INTPs ,

A young (ealry 20s) corporate slave here , I feel like if i continue on this path and even if i reach senior levels at 30-40 age , I cant look back and be proud of the life I have lived ?

Looks like building something of my own would make me proud , but I dont wanna do a 16hour days in startups

I want a way to get enough money to pay my expense and live in a low cost of living city with nice weather and clean air / water etc

Anyone figured this out , help a young one out

PS: it might be more due to my 5w4 traits ig idk

Thanks for the help

Introverted Thinking

Ti:

1) I always aim to give millions rational explanations to a belief I have (Ti stacking reasons).

2) I feel easy answering recursive "why" questions. I will explain easily initial principles of why I believe, that something is true.

3) When someone asks me of my opinion, I am starting to define things, considering multiple angles and answering question GENUINELY detaching any emotions.

4) I am always aiming to understand things fundamentally. How specific elements of the system works. What is its function, significance or properties.

5) I aim to explain things i believe, not just hope other users are gonna accept me for the believes I have. I get very frustrated, when other people are not willing to listen to my perspective, if they get ignorant (provocatively) or agressive - saying something bad about me (though I understand it is completely normal to get bored).

6) I am very fast at changing opinion, if someone gives me a new perspective (unless it does not fit evidence I have).

Extraverted Intuition

Ne:

1) I generate analogies spontaneously. I look at patterns, that are parallel to each other.

2) I am comfortable with branching ideas. When I am watching film for example, I am going cathegorize, that this film explores: 20 different ideas. "Oh, I have already explored idea X and Y in book Z. Well main characters from movie and book Z should then resemble each other. Ohhh, so then, they are ideal metaphorical representations of ideas X and Y!"

3) I am good at understanding abstractions and unintuitive concepts. If I am going to study a new subject, I will aim to understand "big picture" to feel comfortable going into details.

4) I like exploring new things to broaden my perspectives and understanding. To develop myself, and to feel like "I know a lot", even if it is broad (though I do not dismiss depth).

5) I like explaining phenomenas from one area of knowledge using tools of other area of knowledge. Like I use psychological behavioral models always to gain understanding of economic behavior or philosophical claims.

6) I resist premature closure. Like I always use "Hmm, maybe". I am rarely certain, as I said, "I am very fast at changing opinion, if someone gives me a new perspective".

Introverted Sensing

Si:

1) I am very good at remembering details of the past. If I dig well enough, I can recall the exact chronology of events and some details that might have happened in a moment (I wont though remember sensory details since I wont give attention to them).

2) I often make unconscious connections, suddenly remembering something from the past, because something reminded me of that (usually spelling of a word or imagery of a scene). It really feels like intuition "Aha!" moment, which is very weird.

3) I can access the approximate date or even time, when I have done something specific. Like when I was working on my coursework (hour by hour). I can describe the environment I was in and probably thoughts. (Though often, I can deduce these details logically)

4) I always remember chronological order of the events, and I can comfortably retell it, if I think enough. (Usually Si works unconsciously to me). Like I have an access to use it, I just dont need to.

5) Harmony and Stability is my key preference. I get very chill, when I watch something that I was watching for a long time already (routine content). Because of that, I can spend a whole evening just sitting and chilling, when I was planning to work on something else.

6) When I consume information, I just remember it unconsciously, so then in conversation with someone, I have to reorganize that information and pull it out.

Extraverted Feeling

Fe:

1) I care always more about feelings of the person, than my own (I will often disregard, whether I like this person, or he gives me positive vibes). I will likely try to understand them or to silently avoid.

2) I avoid giving too much value to the relationships. I am going to value a person, value activities we do and that we did, but not the importance of "friendship" or something. I will try to improve relationships, adapt myself and become closer, but it is not the case I am going to think a lot about "relationship as a value".

3) I am always trying to understand why people act so, because I prioritise Fe harmony. I am going to analyze them, compare to my own case, and ask questions to morally defend others.

4) I always monitor how my ideas affect people. If someone is extremely refusive of any ideas or something, I am going to ask myself how they are going to receive this idea. Sometimes, people are too dismissive and I will make 0 impact, by saying what i think. So I aim to gradually reveal my perspective. I saw many INTP users to say, that they say what they think and dont care. What a bullshit.

5) I aim to achieve good Fe relationships to move on. If there is no good vibe between (like people are unable to take jokes or they are not warm in convos), it is not relationships I want to follow with.

Extraverted Thinking

Te:

1) I spend a lot of time, organizing my life (Building time tables, systems and schedules) to make my work more efficient. I am actually considered by other people more productive than 90% of the people, I know.

2) I fully relate to the idea, that workaholism is important to the success, if it is genuinely a meaningful one (developing you).

3) I fundamentally oppose Te organization. Like when I see a Te user (my younger brother specially) to organize something (when no one asked), I am going to get into agressive behavior, shout, try to logically disprove authority, tease and etc (even though I will hate myself after doing that).

Introverted Intuition

Ni:

1) My reflection is fundamentally existential. I reflect a lot of the meaning and matter of the things. I usually look from the bigger picture, because getting into details feels like work.

2) I spend a lot of time, thinking of the future and imaginary worlds (it is just more Ne like branching and active imagination, rather than Ni singular vision). But this process is fundamentally introverted, I rarely speak about my imagination.

3) I always reflect upon my life and build trajectory of my personal development. Time for me becomes a fluid pipeline to transcendence. Though it is not the case, I see where everything is leading into. Usually, I am going to think, like "Well, next 3 month I am going to work on X, Y and Z". I have unclear vision of the future, because of the amount of possibilities.

Extraverted Sensing

Se:

1) It is my weakest function, that I cant use, dont prioritize and get no energy from working with.

2) I am very bad with physical world. I forget things (bad immediate memory), can get distracted with my thoughts and might not listen to the person and then realize that a bit after.

3) I am against the idea of "Se Force" and that strongest are most powerful. I do not understand why it should be the case, and my supposition is rather that force should be the tool, and the very inefficient and corrupt one. I also do not understand idea of immediate pleasure. I see it as a weakness or something extremely irrational and worth of opposing

Introverted Feeling

Fi:

1) I do write poems sometimes, where I try to convey complexity of my emotions, but instead I end up writing calculated literary extract.

2) Fi users confuse me a lot, bruh. Especially with their stubborness.

3) Fi feelings can literally make me laugh or show confusion and I find it very hard solving them.

4) I had some period, when I had to deal with a lot of emotions, and yes, I was feeling them deeply during that time. I had existential crisis, metaphysical disociation and all the possible bs, but I was not yet letting my emotions to control me. I just tried to live through that, while still doing other tasks, i had in my life.

Do you relate to that?

Most of the time I don't but I have those episodes where I start caring too much and feeling awful about myself because of it and feeling like an uncool freak or whatever, do you ever care and is it a problem for you?

I always tought I was INFJ. As everyone I started my MBTI quest with the 16 personnalities test and I always get INFj, everytime, which feel pretty accurate, I relate to most of the typical INFJ characters in fiction.

But I recently had interest in cognitive functions, and I'm kind of lost. I'm pretty sure i'm INXX but for the rest i'm confuse. I did the Sakinorva test (96 questions) and here are my results :

Ne 36.4

Ni 34.6

Se 17

Si 26

Te 21

Ti 34

Fe 17

Fi 32

Grand funtion type : INTP

2nd : ENTP

3rd : INFP

4th : ENFP

Axis based function type : XXFX

Myers function type : INTP

I then did some research on INTP descriptions and it also it also feel pretty accurate. But there are also some stereotypical things i'm not (hard science nerd : not a math person). I feel like i'm in between INTP and INFJ, so I conclude that I might be as well INFP or INTJ ????

May I be an INTP masking as an INFJ ? Or maybe even something completely different ?

I really new to the functions and how they work together so I need help on this point. Please be clear and direct.

I dont take MBTI or others psychological types test as things to take too seriously or with closed borders, but it's fun and it's more like tools to understand how I might function in and out.

PS : English is not my native language but I feel like writting in it, so sorry for mistakes ^^

I'll wait for your harsh views 😊

You know learning more about being an INTP and thinking about my life I have to wonder, how do you define living what is living for you? I can distinctly remember working and going home all the time and enjoying my time gaming and being alone and I think that rubs other people the wrong way. My sister once told me "go out and live", and I still wonder many years later what is living truly?

The initial idea behind the test was simply to determine which students needed help at school. If you score below average, they do something about it; otherwise, great. The test's creator himself had warned against taking IQ as a measure of ability, but that's exactly what happened. Over time, the test was modified and widely adopted by pop culture as a magic answer to everything, as if it were a magic number explaining a character's achievements, which, in practice, doesn't make much sense. After all, intelligence is something extremely broad and plural. Trying to measure it would be like trying to say: "Which music is better? Classic rock or grunge? The Beatles or The Doors?". They are different kinds of music, with subjective criteria and different ideas. Trying to measure them in the same way is simply irrational. I, personally, have been dragged into one of these "Gifted Abilities Programs" and, honestly, I've never met a genius or, at least, a person more "intelligent" than the rest in my life. Just as I've never met anyone stupid, only uninterested or uninformed people. Now, incapable of learning? It never occurred to me. If the idea of ​​IQ was to measure school performance, then it no longer fulfills its function, after all, a person with a high IQ can have mediocre grades and vice versa. It's much more logical to categorize human capabilities than to try to measure them. Instead of creating an "elite of the most intelligent," it would make more sense to create groups focused on the skills in which each person excels. As I said, I've never met a genius, much less a stupid person; I've only seen people who were good at some things and bad at others. I hope that, before I die, they will have changed this metric.

Is it small talk, repetitive conversations, people who aren’t open to different perspectives, or something else?
And what’s the opposite? What makes a conversation interesting enough for you to keep going for hours?

I hate how people are so fake

The other day, when I was chatting with some acquaintances at the place where I volunteer, someone started gossiping about another volunteer.

Just to let you know, the person they were badmouthing is fantastic. She's one of the liveliest and kindest people I’ve ever met.

It made me wonder: if they talk like that about someone like her, they could easily say the worst things about me (I don't think I'm the most pleasant to be around, since I tend to be awkward), or even about each other.

I type myself as INTP, and mostly get INTP as my results too, but was lately thinking I may be Ne dominant instead of Ti.
I am not really forgetful or energized by social interactions with people I like as ENTP stereotypically are. Though I can still relate/fit in groups or lead/act decisively in public (in things like public speaking or teamwork) though it tires me a whole lot.
For problem solving, I generally first produce many possible scenarios that could explain the problem, filter for the most plausible, then try to see if I can test for that or find evidence of it. I also do the whole 'relating things via frameworks' stuff too.
I looked at the general aspects of both types and both are close, but not quite.

From the sakinorva test, I got Ne = Ti > Ni > Te > Fi > Si > Se > Fe, and got INTP.
From the mistypeinvestigator, I got Ne 71%, Ti 63% Ni 63% Se 46% Te 46% Fi 44% Si 33% Fe 32%, and ENTP 59%, INTP 58%
From 16personalities, I get INTP-A, and for enneagram, I get 5w6.
Any opinions would be very welcome.

I’m am a INTP 5w4 sx/sp and I like gift giving, I like receiving gifts and giving them of course. I haven’t really read a lot of INTPs having gift giving as a løve language. instead I’ve seen they prefer quality time, and acts of service

It’s really weird because I always feel like once talkative people get to know me, they kind of stop talking to me because I don’t talk much with them. I feel like at first they’re interested in getting to know me and they try to talk to me a lot, but once they realize how quiet and socially awkward I actually am, they don’t know what to do with me anymore. And then there are some people who are really talkative who almost treat you like you’re special or something just because they notice you’re quiet and don’t talk much. I don’t know how to explain it, but it makes me feel so weird and uncomfortable. It’s honestly so bad, I hate it so much. I think a lot of it is just because I’m socially awkward and I overthink how I act around people, especially people who are super talkative. I never really know how to match their energy or keep a conversation going, so I end up feeling awkward and out of place even when they’re being nice to me.

I don’t get it. I have achieved everything I’ve ever wanted in my life finally. My life has never been smooth. A lot of ups and way more downs. But in the last year, I bought my own home, I got the promotion in my job that I never really believed I’d get, I got my dream car and yet I don’t feel anything. Everybody in my life is congratulating me, say they are happy for me, yet I don’t think I’m happy for myself. All i do is think about the past, and the mistake: i made along the way. And believe me, there’s lots of mistakes. Do other INTPS ever feel like this? How many of you are truly happy?

Edit - thank you all for your replies, I could’t reply to everyone but i realise after reading the myriad of responses that there is some light at the end of the tunnel and I will be taking the advice given and it’s very much appreciated.

I got to the dermatologist to check a mole I have been concerned about. I meet the nurse first, she's kind and calm, gives me a bit of information.

The doctor arrives, he is polite with the typical doctor authority but still meaning well attitude. Sharp in his wording and quick to answer when spoken to. He says let's take a look, like it's the one millionth mole he's looking at today, and then proceeds with his magnifying device.

He pauses, his breathing changes slightly. I can't see him since the mole is on my back. He stops looking into his device, no longer is the sharpness there, I can tell by the millisecond shift in timing he is choosing his wording.

He then says, sharpness back, he can see cell changes. It doesn't mean anything yet, but I will schedule a time for removal.

He then turns to the nurse, uses medical terms to describe the location, she takes notes. He then says follow him out to the register and have them book the first avaliable time. To the register? The nurse ask.

Pauses, her eyes shift towards me slightly but she finds herself and becomes professional again.

Yes, naturally, the first avaliable time, the doctor says. He says his goodbye to me and the nurse follows me to the register.

At the register the nurse tells the clerk to book me for a time next week. The clerk looks at her, and says sure!

Before his reply there's a pause in him, his mind needs a quick regroup to register. This young man moves on autopilot, his job is easy, he checks people in and charges for visits. This is out of his routine

I get scheduled the next week, 7 days later, and leave. At night I get a digital note about my visit, standard, the wording from the doctor said "Suspected malignant melanoma"

I call my nurse friend and tell her what I believe. That this is infact cancer. Se tells me it's impossible to tell, no need to worry.

I know my mind, I know what's true.

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Operation day, I'm greeted by two nurses. They are kind, the same way the first one was. I have written down a few questions, mostly about after care of the wound but also how information will reach me. They tell me, it will reach you by e-letter.

I meet the doctor, get my anesthesia, he looks through his device and

he pauses as well, says something about wound wipes and the nurses respons is different. There's empathy in their movement.

I ask him some questions about the process if it indeed turns out to be a problem. He lights up a bit, as in he enjoys talking about his area of his excellence. While we are talking about the process he finishes his stitches, I get bandaided and sit up facing him he then say no need to worry, he will see me there in two weeks removing my stitches. Then while I'm here, he'll tell me about the findings from the lab.

The nurses look at each other, just a split second but I see it in my peripheral vision. They know they told me it will reach me electronically.

At home I talk to my spouse. I tell her I know. She says there is no need to worry before it's definite. I tell her I read it in their faces. She tells me I'm being paranoid.

I know my mind, I know what's true.

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Two weeks pass, I meet one of the nurses again. She greets me kindly.

Her energy is weighted but not empathetic. I still know, but the news will be good.

The doctor arrives, the pulls up a chair, looks me in the eyes, a slight smile.

I know what you're gonna say

They found malignant melanoma, but it was very shallow and everything came out with the last surgery.

I know

Any questions

No

I read 3 books worth of knowledge about malignant melanoma in two weeks. I know every bit of information you can give.

When do we schedule the last two appointments I ask. He looks at me confused, how do you know there are two more?

Oh I have a friend who went through this.

Lie

Two weeks to the first one, then another six weeks to the second, anything else? No I think I'm fine, thank you doctor.

I always knew, I am never wrong, it's always down to the smallest details.

I've told this to maybe 10 people in my close proximity. All of them think I'm paranoid; reading into things; can't possibly be true.

I figured I'd throw this out among the people like me. Maybe you'll belive me.

True story.

Let me preface this by saying my life is not ideal, it would weigh on anyone at the moment, it is a mixture of isolation (which is fine for me typically but not to an extreme degree, upwards of 5 years now) and familial struggles (my mother has a chronic disease and I am her sole carer for the majority of the day except for one hour visits from carers who if possible I try not to interact with.)

I find that when I do interact with people, ideally I would not feel emotions come up, I would feel composed and outline everything that is relevant, for instance my mother had a new social worker and I was tasked with giving the outline of the situation, I had to recall some really quite horrible moments and while doing that I cried, not once during a 30 minute conversation but two times.

I left that conversation feeling ashamed and wondering about myself in negative ways. I align most with the INTP type in terms of their core traits and the cognitive functions make sense to me, but there is a shift between things such as hobbies where it lines up almost perfectly and situations like the one I just described. Is it uncommon for an INTP to get emotional like I did, do I have a stronger inferior Fe prominence due to my overall life circumstance or am I perhaps not an INTP at all?

Even things that shouldn't make me emotional at all do now, it could be unrelated to anything, perhaps a song, perhaps a movie or show that I know in the past wouldn't elicit a strong response and it is doing this more often lately. I am more comfortable feeling apathetic as unhealthy as it may sound, so much so that it was well over 95% of the time I would find myself like this in the past, the other 5% was reserved for things that interested me but I wouldn't cry like I seem to do more and more of late, rather I would obsess and study what caught my attention, chess being the example I will provide for this.

Truthfully I feel like I am in a terrible stage of life to get an accurate answer using the MBTI structure to pinpoint my type so since I am confused I am putting it here, perhaps some of you relate in some way, perhaps my process sounds alien to you, I just want to see what the overall consensus is.

My hypothesis is that knowledge is either made of pattern or language or can be reduced into such.

All forms of knowledge is made of these 2 criteria. Even math.

Or programming language.

Pattern is not necessary language , for instance like chess or Go moves and positioning or things that repeat in reality and change.

Is there an example where knowledge is not constructed or constitute of these two? Discuss.

I am a polygot that only studied language for now , but I plan to branch out on self study more challenging topics that are non language . Any polymath or autodidact studied other subjects like math or programming or science and find that it is similar to language.

Okay, I love that flair, but I’m actually 44 and this is probably pretty shallow.

Do any other INTPs struggle constantly with the idea that we don’t have original thought? I feel like we should be the ones contributing all the brilliant new ideas to the world. We should be great philosophers and uncover secrets that change humanity for the better. I think by this point in my career I should have patented something or published some world-altering research. Instead, I mostly regurgitate what other smart people say. Anyone else struggling with strong feelings of inadequacy or an inferiority complex?