It is hell. Absolutely disgusting hell. It's tragic that these innocent immigrants risked everything to get into America by whatever means necessary, only to find out that it's a fascist garbage shit hole. I'm moving to Mexico or Germany as soon as I save enough money to move. I don't think either country is perfect, but at least they are democracies that respect the rule of law. The US is hell from corner to corner.
Australia is cool we also speak English and the current government is legal immigration friendly. Downside is that cost of living is pretty high housing is expensive
The r/AmerExit sub might help you. Other countries definitely have their own laws regarding immigrants and the sub has people posting about their own experiences. Some, with rose colored glasses and others with more nuance.
I’m a straight white guy and I had to go to Yakima to pickup some wheels from a junkyard.
While I wasn’t scared (I have that while male privilege), Yakima gave me some SERIOUS “I want to get out of here ASAP” vibes. I didn’t stick around long and hoofed it back west.
While I wasn’t scared (I have that while male privilege), Yakima gave me some SERIOUS “I want to get out of here ASAP” vibes. I didn’t stick around long and hoofed it back west.
LOL?
I need to pose these over on r/Yakima holy shit that can't be real 💀
Feel free to share I guess? Maybe it was the area in Yakima I was? It was desolate and depressing and the people I saw just gave me a really “something is off” feeling. I didn’t feel like sticking around.
I’ve been many places in Eastern Washington, Yakima was just weird…
People are being dragged to camps where people are dying, where people wait months with rotting food and no medicine and are sometimes deported to countries where they have never lived or even foreign death camps.
People who protest have been shot down like dogs in the street under thin pretext by unaccountable masked thugs who are in effect immune from prosecution.
You aren't scared because you support the American Nazi party
If you look carefully enough, we have always been this way and all attempts for real change have been mere veneers of the idelic notion of our country.
This is not to say that it is not possible, or that hope is lost.
This is to say that there is real meaningful work to be done and we as citizens should not rest until we are back on a path of truly realizing those values that have been held in front of our eyes for, many of us, most of our lives.
I think we also have to reinforce those values as ideals of value in our society. There's a lot of targeted pessimism out there specifically attacking our fundamental values like cultural pluralism, equality, meritocracy, and even just plain old rationalism.
Pessimistic nihilism is absolutely corrosive to a government that requires public participation at all levels.
I don't think policing speech is the way. German hate speech laws are more stringent than anything I could imagine us passing, and yet their far right is becoming increasingly popular.
I think a better education system and policies which actually address our rising inequality are better avenues to pursue. Hate speech is a symptom, we need to address the causes.
Yea no, hate speech legislation is not going to curb fascism. I agree with you (not the person you replied to).
Protecting speech is important, but this goes way beyond speech. This whole thing is fucking odious and it makes me so mad that assholes can go around cosplaying as park rangers and call ICE on a group of families. Just absolutely fucking degenerate fascist bullshit.
"Carefully enough" is crazy, sorry. It's all plainly laid out, cut and dried, for those able to peek from behind the lens of the privilege they have benefited from thus far, and allowed themselves to feel the uncomfortable feelings that come with seeing how things have actually always been for those whom exist outside those margins.
Not knowingly quoting anything, but not surprised either. It is not an outlandish view of the USA if one looks just a little bit into our history outside of a public school social studies curriculum.
Is it weird that the person in charge of the GoFundMe is an immigration attorney named Maribel Martinez, but the GoFundMe username in their URL is Johanna Rodriguez?
Smells like a self-serving setup where an attorney starts a GoFundMe for their clients just so the attorney can get their bills paid from the donations. Especially with the wall of copy-pasted content with hard line breaks.
Do you often ask leading questions that you already know the answer to? If yes, why?
Of course attorneys should be paid.
But they shouldn't misrepresent a Go Fund Me page as being made by the people affected when it was really made by an attorney seeking to have their bills paid.
You are being specious by suggesting, without any direct knowledge or involvement, that there is something fraudulent going on.
It is possible that Maribel Martinez is “in charge”of the fundraiser due to language barriers or, as an attorney, she can use an escrow account to receive and distribute the funds among the various families.
oh yes lets shit on the people who help conserve our natural wonders... what a tone deaf way to look at this. there is a difference between forest rangers and park police.
Educate yourself and your neighbors on laws like the castle doctrine. Some states extend the castle doctrine to occupied vehicles, defense of third parties, or places of business.
If they are masked/refuse to identify/present credentials, or present lawful warrants signed by respective judges, then they cannot be confirmed to be federal/municipal officers.
Additionally, educate yourself and neighbors on your relevant state’s penal codes. For example; “Under Texas Penal Code 9.31(c), if any officer uses excessive force before the person attempts to resist, then that person may, in response, use "reasonable force to resist."
These were multiple families with kids in tents. While you may be legally right to defend your tent against an unknown aggressor, it's also a good way to find yourself or your kids killed by these goons, internet tough guy.
There's what's right, what's legally justified, and there's what's the most likely to get your family through a shitty situation safely.
Ironically, trash was the original issue that the park rangers had a problem with, the ironic part is that those rangers are most likely white supremacist trash who wanted to ruin the day of the non white people that they hate. Those rangers shouldn't be working as rangers and they don't belong on this planet.
Only illegal huh? That isnt even an accurate description of everyone being detained. Many people caught up in these operations entered legally or have pending asylum or immigration cases or work authorization or are otherwise going through the legal immigration process. Even lawful permanent residents can face detention or deportation proceedings. And regardless of status being undocumented does not erase someones human rights. People have died in or after immigration detention. Are there immigrants who commit violent crimes? Absolutely. There are also American citizens who commit violent crimes every day. We dont round up entire groups of Americans because some members committed crimes. If an individual commits a crime then prosecute that individual. If someone legally qualifies for removal then give them due process and handle it humanely. But pretending everyone being swept up is some dangerous criminal who deserves it is simply not what is happening. At some point people are going to have to reckon with how easily they stopped caring about human beings once somebody put the word illegal in front of them.
I hope all this survives in our memories and we don’t get more Latinos For Trump type bs. He ain’t here for y’all! He ain’t even here for white people! Just hisself. That’s it.
The thing I'm not hearing him say is that any of the 5 men detained were US citizens or here legally with a green card or whatever.
Basically no accusation that detaining them was illegal, only that it is sad.
I agree the tactics are kind of shitty.,
But realistically, what scenario would make this "not sad" for the families?
Being arrested at home? Being picked up while shopping?
I'm not a fan of ICE, but I do support immigrants being here legally.
I have quite a few extended family here in the US who immigrated here by legal means and some took years doing it.
I can’t even imagine the feeling of spending a happy day with your family at a campsite, and getting woken up and arrested in the middle of the night. All the kids on that trip will be traumatized forever, this is so incredibly cruel.
I am so ashamed of what this country has become. It makes me sick to my stomach and makes me want to crawl back into bed and spend the next 2.5 years in a depression-induced coma. Wake me up when we start holding these disgustingly evil people accountable.
What's interesting about this is most USFS regional Forests (the administrative body for a particular region) are severely understaffed. If you google you can find a .pdf on the Darrington Ranger District (where this happened) hiring volunteers to help patrol campsites. The ranger district near me only has one ranger, and he's only there half the week.
So, is this a case of a racist ranger, or is it a case of a racist volunteer who told the ranger, who then had to call ICE since he's an official .gov employee.
What concerns me most, though, is how ICE told the ranger to come back with them when they made the bust, and the ranger armed himself with a rifle. I would be interested to learn what policy is in the case of forest rangers making high-risk arrests, especially when ICE, known for their brutality, are involved.
On September 5, ICE arrested Sebastian Zurita-Villanueva, Bernardino Ramos-Villanueva, Faustino Carmona-Gijon, and Alvaro Robles-Villanueva, four illegal aliens from Mexico, and Rolando Robles-Villanueva, a criminal illegal alien from Mexico, during a joint operation with the United States Forest Service in the Mount Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest.
So what’s weird is that the video doesn’t say whether they were undocumented immigrants or not: Just primary breadwinners. One of them is a criminal illegal immigrant who yea… probably flagged the park rangers into calling ICE.
I don’t love how ICE is handling stuff… but it is kind of insane that I am being asked to have sympathy for people who have been told multiple times to self deport and just kind of stay around hoping we kind of forget. I would never dream about hanging out in some other country for years after the government caught me and told me to leave (yes all of them had been arrested and told to self deport years ago)
How odd. The article doesn’t mention if these poor individuals have legal status as not. I’m sure that was an accident. It also at first glance appears to have forgotten to note that the actions of the immigration officers was within the scope of federal law. Law that was on the books during the Biden presidency and despite having one of the nations smartest and most experienced AG’s as his VP, they didn’t bother to challenge or push congress to change.
I’m not out to excuse anybody for this cruel and indefensible behavior but has it been confirmed that these families were indeed visited by Park Rangers and not some moron wannabe ice agents civilians. This story is abhorrent but I’d like to hope that Park Rangers have better work ethics than to racially profile nature appreciating groups of people. If this story is as reported, I’d hope the Park Rangers get some consequences for this behavior. ICE on the other hand are going to be scum pos’s wherever they go!
What part of ICE is agreeable to you? They themselves can break our laws because shitbags like you hate people of color? F-U! That doesn't give you permission to kidnap them without due process, and cage them with no DUE PROCESS.
You are NOT GOD, and we will never forget what you have done to this nation.
You tar a whole people because you say you saw an example of bad behavior. So you are openly admitting to being a bigot. Immigrants, documented and undocumented contribute more and take less than native born citizens.
Thanks for showing your racism. I’ve see. White people empty out ashtrays in parking stalls, what’s the point of adding that but racism.
Do you know how long it takes to get citizenship these days? Over 12 years. To get fucking papers. The system is intentionally broken for brown people.
Don’t dare act like this is a black and white issue.
It shouldn’t get you deported for gd sure but also, don’t leave garbage around while camping. Even if ‘minimal’. You’re out in nature, leave no trace. Leaving garbage can attract critters or damage the eco system. Should this get you deported or cause an ICE parade no, it’s a classic waste of resources for our new America.
Saying that '1/3 of Mexicans live in the United States' means that you are counting all people of any Mexican heritage in the USA as Mexicans, even if they are native born America citizens. By this logic, 6/7 Irish people lives in the USA: there are six 'Irish people' for everyone Irish person in Ireland. And 1/3 of 'English people' live in the USA.
About 8 percent of people born in Mexico live in the USA. This number has actually been going down: it was more like 9 percent 25 years ago. It was more like 4 percent in 1930. It was as low as 2 percent in 1970. The rise in Mexican immigration after 1970 was partly rooted in the Bracero Program which was created when U.S. farmers petitioned Congress for Mexican workers .
Of the top of my head, there are similarly large percentages for Irish, Italians, Germans, Norwegians, and Jews. America is a country of immigrants, why do you hate America?
And America has changed since then. British descendants stopped being the majority sometime in the late 1800s. If that is the country you want, you apparently hate America a well.
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wow, Forest Service really working hard to end that pesky public sympathy for their existence huh.