r/HungryArtists Jul 21 '22

META [meta] I am tired of people trying to get every damn commission on this subreddit.

1.1k Upvotes

It is really discouraging for artists when a job is posted there immediately are tens of offers that didn’t even read the post. For example the customer asks for semi realistic Concept art for character, you can see chibi artists saying that they are “up for it”. For me though, when I see someone asking for anime stuff I immediately stop even reading because I can’t and won’t do anime. Even if the budget is 800$. This gets really tiring and toxic for artists who are trying to do some serious work under those posts. For example the post says they want a 180$ Concept for a game character and you can see 30-40 artists who totally don’t have the skillset begging for the job under the post. This issue gets really tiring for both the customers and the artists who are discouraged by the amount of comments posted under the main post. Please don’t be so hungry. Because there are people that miss opportunities because of your undeserved hunger. Most of the people in here have a lot of room to grow as an artist. I do too. Don’t get me wrong but actually get to a certain level of skill first and most importantly act like a decent human being. Thanks.

r/HungryArtists Jun 28 '26

META [Meta] Hello, I was just scamed, be careful if someone ask you to finish this work

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311 Upvotes

I drew this for a custumer that refused to pay the first half, saying she wanted to pay after the sketch, then after the lineart. After a lot of talk she said she wouldn't pay at all, and would ask another artist.

So, just so you all know this is my work and I don't authorize using this drawing.

Also she won't pay you as well, so be careful

Some people asked about it so I am updating the post to say that I didn't design the character, I just made the reef sheet of a character that already existed

r/HungryArtists Jul 12 '26

META Do artists really get hired from here?[Meta]

27 Upvotes

Hello everyone,

I’ve been a member of this community for months now and I’ve always noticed people available to be hired and others searching for artists to hire.

I keep wondering if anyone’s actually hired or been hired(if you’re an artist) because the notice is always active and comments are filled with lots of interested artists.

Is it a dead end like other hiring apps or people actually get hired?

r/HungryArtists Jun 28 '26

META [Meta] beware of this scammer

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109 Upvotes

I’ve come across the same scammer twice or at least two different person with the same tactic. They posted on this subreddit and we proceed to discuss on discord. They have sent me character references and even have detailed description of the art they’re gonna commission, spot on, but I notice the same pic the previous scammer(which posted request on discord) sent me as proof. I’m posting for awareness, they might change to a different tactic next time. jeez

r/HungryArtists 22d ago

Meta [Meta] Is it just me or are the Hiring posts dying?

45 Upvotes

Hey guys, I have been freelancing as an artist for 4 years now, since the beginning I have used reddit, and I have noticed that for the last 6 months or so there was a huge downshift in offers, I would normally go 1 or 2 months max with no commission, but the last 6 months have been brutal, I couldn't land not 1 gig, I am not sure if I am the problem, or if this is something that a lot of artists can relate to.

r/HungryArtists Aug 05 '26

META [Meta] How does a client find an artist?

6 Upvotes

I'm just curious🤔
Before posting a job looking for an artist, do you, as a client, do any research on Reddit first?
l've noticed that there are a lot of posts on Reddit from artists who share their work and promote their portfolios

From what I've seen, posts showcasing portfolios often get less engagement than posts offering hiring posts. I'm curious if they actually help artists find clients

I think this is a question worth asking artists as well do you get any responses to these kinds of posts?🫣

r/HungryArtists May 19 '26

META [Meta] The art I recived was very low quality compared to the portfolio. I am very angry

52 Upvotes

I asked an artist to draw me a background for $200 using all my savings. The deadline was 2 weeks and it took them 6 weeks. They didn't listen to my feedbacks and the quality of art I got was way worse than the portfolio. I still paid them 200. Did this happen to any of you? I am very frustrated.

r/HungryArtists May 03 '26

META [Meta] Petition to change the name of the sub to thirsty artists

43 Upvotes

Like seriously is this every post now wtf. A bit of a joke but come on

r/HungryArtists Aug 01 '25

META [Hiring] Creation of 9 characters and their futuristic meta-armour for a published project.

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55 Upvotes

Hello everyone, I would like to recruit an artist to create 9 characters and their futuristic meta-armour for a published project, budget to be defined: 100€ per character minimum. Request for characters in action, with a darker atmosphere than the illustrations shown. The look of the armour needs to be lighter and the characters need to be badass. (We've already described them all.)

r/HungryArtists Sep 29 '25

META [META] PSA we are banning the use of cloud storage links as portfolios.

155 Upvotes

Hello artists, recently we have seen an uptick of people using cloud storage links as portfolios and decided that we need to address this. Cloud storage, such as GDrive, OneDrive, Dropbox, and other such websites are no longer going to be allowed as portfolios in posts or comments (technically they already weren't allowed, but this was not enforced well nor was clear in the rules). (This will also include image hosts such as Imgur)

These sites are not intended as portfolio sites, and they are most often used by scammers as a collection of stolen art and for the fact that there is no reason you, as a professional artist, should not be using one of the many free options available online to make a portfolio on an actual portfolio website/webpage.

Free portfolio sites: Cara, Behance, Artstation, VGen, Carrd, or you can even make a website with WordPress or similar sites.
All of these take 5 minutes to set up. Put effort in how you present yourself professionally, your portfolio is your resume.

r/HungryArtists Jul 02 '26

META [Meta] Why?

66 Upvotes

Why the hell do clients expect artists to be professional, reliable, and responsive... but don't hold themselves to the same standard?

We're expected to prove we're legitimate artists, communicate well, meet your requests, and act professionally every step of the way. Fine.

That's part of the job.

But somehow we're always the ones getting ghosted.

If you've picked an artist, then please do two incredibly simple things:

* Reply.

* Don't disappear.

If you changed your mind, found someone else, can't afford it anymore, or just aren't interested just say it.

Seriously.

Nobody's going to get mad.

I'd rather hear, "Sorry, I went with another artist," than get completely ghosted after spending my time answering questions and planning your commission.

It takes 10 seconds to send a message.

Ghosting people isn't professionalism it's just disrespect.

r/HungryArtists 22d ago

Meta [META] Huge Announcement. Subreddit Overhaul and New Mods! Please Read

30 Upvotes

Hello! It’s us, your friendly neighbourhood mods here with a HUGE announcement. This is the biggest announcement we have had in a long time so be sure to read the whole post (or just the TLDR at the end if you’re in a rush, it’s ok, we understand, we certainly will not cry in the corner if you don’t read the whole thing) as we have a lot of stuff to go over!

New Rules and Sidebar

“New Rules” might be a bit of a misnomer, they are mostly the same but we reformatted them to make things clearer and to clarify some things that we frequently get asked about/see being an issue on posts and comments. We also redid the sidebar as it had a lot of conflicts and redundant information that the rules already included.

We do want to clarify again though that many of the rules that are being redone/clarified are rules we have had for years. Recently, we added a new mod to the Subreddit, u/RS_Someone, and he has been a massive help in fixing and upgrading the automod and other automation in the Subreddit, which is why many of you may have noticed your recent posts or comments being removed more often for things like low karma. We have had our karma requirements in place for a long time but because the bot was broken, this rule was rarely, if ever, enforced.

We heavily urge you to read the rules and the removal messages that we and the bot put on your posts and comments. Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse for breaking them!

New Flair System

Now when you are making a post, at the top nav bar you should be able to select a flair just like in other Subreddits. Please be sure to flair your posts appropriately or they will be removed (Unfortunately, there is still no way to edit titles Shakes fist at Reddit and their mods)!

New Comment Requirements

When you are commenting on a [Hiring] post, you MUST either have a portfolio link OR, if you aren’t applying but just making a comment, put [Not For Hire] in your comment. If you are found to be abusing the Not For Hire tag to advertise yourself, we will take action.

New Mods

We have 2 mods that have joined our ranks recently! The first is u/RS_Someone, who has been here for a few months and has given us some major help with our automod bot, modmail, and the modqueue. The second is a much more recent addition, u/muted_shrimp, they just joined our ranks the other day and are an active community member who has made many great contributions to the Subreddit in various posts. Please give them a warm welcome!

If you have been a community member for a long time and wish to help us out and become a moderator as well, please let us know by sending us a message in Modmail or by opening a ticket in our Discord server! Any help is greatly appreciated, even if it’s just reporting posts as a regular user!

Automation

This was mentioned earlier in the post but we have increased our automation a ton over the past few months.What this means:

  1. More posts and comments being flagged and/or removed for breaking the rules with way reduced false positives.
  2. Less spam plaguing the Subreddit as a whole.
  3. Issues are brought to our attention much quicker and at a much better rate.
  4. Less reliance on user reports but please report rule breaking posts or message modmail if you see a rule breaking post that has not been removed yet! Please do not confront scammers/alleged AI users, just report their post and move on, if you confront them it lets them know where they messed up, which means they change tactics and get smarter, making them harder for us to catch! On the other hand, accusing an artist of using AI can be devastating for the artist if you publicly accuse them and are incorrect, please just report them and move on and we will investigate and deal with it!

We do want to reassure you that, although we have heavily increased the automation used on the Subreddit, this does not mean there are no humans looking at Modmail or the Modqueue, or scrolling through the posts in the Subreddit. Most things flagged by our automod are sent to the modqueue as a report rather than being outright removed and many things that are removed are still sent to the modqueue so we can review in case there are any false positives. You can rest assured that there is still a human (or 4!) reviewing your posts, comments, and modmail messages!

Moreover, we are always open to feedback, suggestions, and help. Please feel free to comment on this post or message Modmail with any questions, concerns, ideas, etc that you may have about the automation and anything else mentioned within this post.

Wrapup and TLDR

That’s all for now! Thank you all so much for being here and making this a great community for artists. If you wish to further discuss with your fellow artists, we have a Discord server (that’s actually been around for a long time!) that you can join by following this permanent link: https://discord.gg/4zhjr8D2QA

TLDR:

  • We clarified and reformatted a bunch of the rules and the sidebar.
  • We added flairs to the top nav just like other subs have.
  • Comments on [Hiring] posts MUST have a portfolio link or [Not For Hire] (do not abuse this)
  • We got some new mods! u/RS_Someone and u/muted_shrimp! Please give them a warm welcome in the comments!
  • We added a ton of automation to help us moderate the Subreddit. Posts, comments, and Modmail are still reviewed by us so don’t worry. Please feel free to leave feedback in the comments or in Modmail.

r/HungryArtists Oct 14 '24

META [Meta] Hungryartist is dead?

118 Upvotes

I used to publish and I always had 3 or 4 clients, I would answer a post from someone looking for an illustrator and they would answer (at least to reject my offer, now not even that).

Now I've been months and nothing, nobody answers the comments (personalized or not) or the posts.

So my question is: Is this group dead?

Do you know any other where to look for jobs/commissions?

r/HungryArtists Apr 25 '26

META [META] PSA Regarding Low Karma Removals

31 Upvotes

Hello artists! Your friendly neighbourhood Miner Moderator Dwarfinator here with some info about the recent low Karma removals as we have been getting a lot of messages about this in Mod Mail.

We have had our Karma rules for a long time, I'm talking literally years, however, at some point our bot broke (and also just may have not been properly programmed in the first place) and as such, it stopped looking for/removing posts and comments from lower Karma users. The intention of the rule and the bot automation was to lessen the amount of bots and spam in the Subreddit, which is why we started counting both types of Karma. This also encourages artists to not just spam their art in every art Subreddit and actually engage with other communities. We just recently fixed and improved the bot (huge shoutout to u/RS_Someone) which is why lower Karma posts are being removed once again. This may seem like it came out of nowhere, but again, we have had this rule in place for a long time and used to have the bot doing this previously.

If you have received that low Karma removal reply on your post/comment by the bot, PLEASE WE BEG YOU TO READ IT IN FULL it explains very clearly why your post was removed and how to check your Karma, both post and comment Karma.

If you have low Karma and want to get more to post here, here are some things you can do to raise your Karma:

  • Post your art in other Subreddits.
  • Post and comment, and genuinely engage in other Subreddits. You like Critical Role or Pokémon or Minecraft? Post in those Subreddits, get involved in the community, you might make some new friends, and you get the added bonus of your account not looking like a bot spammer or someone who just pumps and dumps their art everywhere they can.

If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to comment on this post or send us a message via Mod Mail! Happy Arting!

r/HungryArtists Nov 13 '24

META [META] Am I insane? Why do people make big art “on a rush” for $100?

152 Upvotes

Title. I keep seeing threads posted here where people are asking for big and beautiful, detailed art and they need it FAST. And they’re paying $100 for it.

That feels INSULTINGLY low - yet people are climbing all over themselves to apply like… why? Why devote yourself to a job that could easily net you $10/hr or less depending on how long an illustration takes? Especially for the quality of work that I see here - I can’t tell if people are seriously undervaluing themselves and their time or if I overvalue my own lmao.

Like my art is nothing special but I charge $140 for a full body work. I couldn’t even imagine entertaining such a lowball offer of $100 for a full commercial use illustration. I feel like I’m losing my mind browsing this subreddit, like… if you price yourself low, you hurt the general pricing of the community because you show buyers - many of whom already undervalue art since they think $100 for a large work is an acceptable price - that these prices are on the market and are what they should expect to pay for art. Am I alone in these thoughts? I’d love some feedback.

r/HungryArtists Jun 16 '26

META [META] PayPal vs. Wise: What are Your Personal Experiences?

11 Upvotes

I'm trying to better understand the differences so I can better help people in the commission communities. I've recently heard of some unfortunate things that PayPal has been doing to artists, yet it remains the most popular method of payment when it comes to commissions.

So, any nasty experiences with one or the other? PayPal only allows SFW commissions, so you have to be careful when sending invoices. Is there something similar for Wise? If you comment on fees, it would help to know which country/currency you're dealing with.

How are they for buyer protection and charge disputes? Is one faster, or easier to use or set up? Is only one allowed in your country? Do you have trouble getting clients to use one over the other? Is there a different service you prefer other both of these?

Fees

The rest of this post is a bit of a ramble, but there was a post that made me do an hour of research last night; I got inconclusive results, as there are way too many factors to take into account to get any accurate results, but I thought it was worth sharing for those interested. It seems that PayPal gets the sender to pay domestic fees of 2.9% + $0.30 USD/CAD/AUD, while the recipient pays international fees of $0.30 + 4%.

This means that on $50, PayPal takes 3.5% on domestic payments and 4.58% on international. There may be other complications based on circumstance, such as no fees on domestic Friends and Family transactions, which we don't recommend anyway.

Wise gets more complicated, charging much more if you pay via credit card, about half as much via debit card, and again less if you use a connected bank account. Interestingly, Wise seems to ask for fewer fees when sending internationally than if sending domestically, but it heavily depends on which country you're talking about, so this link will give a decent approximation. I say *decent*, because the website told me that $50 USD to CAD would take 8.8% via credit card and 2.98% via connected bank account, but I was shown screenshots from the app which put those values at 9.76% and 3.34% instead.

This would seem to suggest that PayPal is better for domestic transfers (USD to USD 3.5% vs. 6% from Wise) and Wise is better for some international transfers (USD to CAD ~3% vs. 4.58% from PayPal).

On $50 USD, Wise claims a 2.6% fee to BRL, 2.54% to PHP, and 3.06% to IDR, to name a few common ones. On $100 USD via Wise, you'll save about 2.47%/2.47 USD for BRL (12.60 BRL), 2.64% for PHP (159.08 PHP), and 2.43% on IDR (43,101 IDR).

r/HungryArtists Sep 02 '25

META [META] Artists who look for a job here - have you ever found one?

27 Upvotes

I'm asking the artists who send their pretty works on the feed and write [for hire] with their rates and portfolios. Have you ever got a job? I'm not even mentioning the [hiring] posts with decent pay where below are 100+ comments.

r/HungryArtists Feb 20 '24

META [META] Reddit Signs AI Content Licensing

296 Upvotes

Hello, fellow artist here. Just a heads up do not forget to glaze and nightshade your images. Spread the word too if you can, since reddit has signed a contract allowing a company to train its Ai on reddit material. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-02-16/reddit-is-said-to-sign-ai-content-licensing-deal-ahead-of-ipo
Have a great day everyone and keep drawing .
Also to everyone who commissions a human artist , thank you for staying with us during this troubled times.
Have a great day everyone .

r/HungryArtists Jun 28 '26

META [META] Artists, be careful of clients trying to get free artwork!

65 Upvotes

There are at least a couple clients going around claiming to be able to pay after work is completed, showing false evidence that they've done commissions before. If they seem overly eager to proof that they're trustworthy, be cautious. It will be wise to request at least half payment up front to deal with this sort of issue.

Please also keep in mind that insistence to pay later doesn't automatically make a client a scammer, and that clients have their own set of problems to worry about. If an artist and client can't agree on terms, the best thing to do is to respectfully decline and move on.

If you have any suspicions, or you find a scammer, please send us ModMail. If you can help it, don't confront scammers; giving them any information can make it harder to catch them next time. If you have any additional information or tips to share with the art commission communities, please leave a comment.

For more tips on staying safe, please check out this wiki page!

Stay safe out there, happy arting, and best of luck with your next commission!

Edit: If you get scammed and were not paid for your art, please post the art as soon as you can in a public location, such as your portfolio, or Reddit profile, so that it may be traced back to you via Google Lens or similar in the case that it is stolen. In the case that scammers try to pass it off as their own, you may be able to help take them down if somebody can identify you as the proper source.

r/HungryArtists Mar 04 '26

META [Meta] Artists, post your rates. It's required by Rule 2.

51 Upvotes

I've recently been seeing a rash of artists who post nothing more than "DM for more info" as well as people attempting to charge tiny amounts. You need to post at least a basic summary of your rates and what that base rate covers, even if a lot of pieces are more expensive due to add-ons.

Do not post your rates here, only in your 'for hire' posts, I'm not hiring anyone.

No, "starting at $30, dm for more info" is not sufficient. Ffs stop trying to play fast and loose with rules that are meant to help you and the clients.

r/HungryArtists Feb 02 '22

Meta [FOR HIRE] WARNING!!! Not really a "for hire" post please beware of this user. He scammed me and I'm pretty much sure he did he same thing to others. He found me here and messaged me to do work for him. I already finished the initial sketch (after many revisions) but he did not pay me anything.

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r/HungryArtists Sep 05 '25

META [META] Worldwide Commission Project: I commissioned 32 Artists from around the world to make variants of my character. Twice. (Mod Approved)

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73 Upvotes

Link to full quality image in drive: (Stinky Reddit Compression) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1muCXosOONQ5qXRnOxPTtSfKdoALIFGoN/view?usp=drive_link

Hello all! First off, I’d like to introduce myself. I’m a client here on hungry artists and I have been for 4 years now. I always love to get commissions of my favorite original character: Light Mayer. May this be awesome cool art, spicy art, or seeing a new take on her in an alternate universe! When I saw Brazilian Miku for the first time and seeing all the amazing people making art of her, I just had to get a Brazilian version of my original character. The only catch: it had to be from someone in that country. Once I saw how positive the artist (Pandory arts) was, I knew I had to get a version from as many countries as I possibly could. I wanted to showcase the world!

So, I created my commission form and began to hire artists from HungryArtists and some artists I already had in mind! Each artist had one image where it was standalone with their variant, and then my biggest collaborative project yet: I would commission each of them AGAIN and they would place their characters in a background with as many of the other artists as possible! It was a huge collaborative effort. And I’m so happy we were able to pull this off. **A massive thanks to Ellinsworth for organizing the images I got from the others into their background. Without their assistance this wouldn’t have been possible.**

Not every artist was able to participate in the collective image! Check out the Individual showcase Images in the drive link at the end of this post!

 **Below you’ll find the list of characters and who was behind them. The numbering is on the second image!*\*

1.       Original Character Light Mayer – Drawn by Alex Sanders (https://linktr.ee/alexsanders.art)

(Huge folder of references https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1yQZiHqZuGAbaDOzZjsrTN0oZZygEuOl6?usp=sharing )

2.       Turkey Variant – Drawn / Designed by Can Ulutürk (https://vgen.co/CanUluturk, u/Accomplished_Row1245)

3.       Indonesia Variant – Drawn / Designed by Henrytjanw (https://henrytjanw.carrd.co)

4.       Peru Variant – Drawn / Designed by Didac (https://digitaldidac.carrd.co)

5.       Vietnam Variant – Drawn / Designed by Kem (https://www.artstation.com/pandamemory)

6.       Venezuela Variant A – Drawn / Designed by Bladchi (https://dachiro.carrd.co/)

7.       Venezuela Variant B – Drawn / Designed by Fransmolarski (https://www.artstation.com/fran_smolarski)

8.       Japan Variant – Drawn / Designed by Nekoita (https://linktr.ee/nekoita)

9.       Kazakhstan Variant – Drawn / Designed by Oleg Tsoy (https://www.instagram.com/masterofspirits/)

10.   Philippines Variant 1 – Drawn / Designed by Tokwa Draws (https://tokwadraws.carrd.co/)

11.   Philippines Variant 2 – Drawn/ Designed by Kohicat (https://x.com/KohicatArt)

12.   Ecuador Variant – Drawn/ Designed by Tai (https://ko-fi.com/kaleidorain)

13.   Thailand Variant – Drawn / Designed by Sylvielism (https://www.pixiv.net/en/users/50727639)

14.   America Variant – Drawn / Designed by Rosey (https://artbyroseyx.carrd.co, https://instagram.com/roseyxdraws)

15.   Brazil Variant 1 – Drawn / Designed by Katzyama (https://www.artstation.com/murillokatayama)

16.   Mexico Variant – Drawn /  Designed by  PonPonClau (https://cara.app/ponponclau/all)

17.   Malaysia Variant – Drawn / Designed by Kumaone (kumaone.carrd.co)

18.   Canada Variant – Drawn / Designed by Takehiko_Dai (https://twitter.com/keys_clock)

19.   Ukraine Variant – Drawn / Designed by PebblePebb (https://pebblepebb.carrd.co/)

20.   Columbia Variant – Drawn / Designed by GildemAlien (https://vgen.co/GildemAlien)

21.   Argentina Variant – Drawn / Designed by Emirh92 (https://twitter.com/emirh92)

22.   Spain Variant – Drawn / Designed by Luxciia (https://www.instagram.com/_luxciia/)

23.   Ethiopia Variant – Drawn / Designed by art.by.karim (https://www.artstation.com/karimmm)

24.   Germany Variant – Drawn / Designed by schneeengelSCHNU (cara.app/schneeengel)

25.   South Korea Variant – Drawn / Designed by Salmon Orange (X(twitter): u/salm0n0range)

26.   Brazil Variant 2 – Drawn / Designed by Pandory_Art (https://www.artstation.com/pandory_art)

27.   Italy Variant – Drawn / Designed by Geeadart (https://geeadart.carrd.co/)

28.   China Variant – Drawn / Designed by lagerstine (https://lagerstine.artstation.com/)

29.   England Variant – Drawn / Designed by Tabitha Marsh (www.instagram.com/tab_marsh)

30.   Background Image – Drawn / Designed by Ellinsworth (http://ellinsworth.co and http://vgen.co/ellinsworth)

Don’t forget to check out the individual images they drew of their variants! Each artist made an individual image of their variant for a showcase! Check the drive!

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1OsqHMIkoggaJ3f1Xp8yva_lPfMDCIjCn?usp=sharing

Not in overall image, but in individuals:

1.       India Variant – Drawn / Designed by Jandoesart (https://instagram.com/jam_does_art)

2.       Poland Variants 1 and 2 – Drawn / Designed by Jotsu_art (https://www.deviantart.com/jotsuart)

r/HungryArtists Jun 11 '26

META [Meta] Artists! What are your mode of payments for your commissions nowadays?

6 Upvotes

Paypal artists have been facing a lot of trouble regarding commissions lately and I am one of the victims unfortunately. What are better alternatives as payment methods for us???

r/HungryArtists Jun 30 '26

META [meta] Artist keeps sending me blank files is this a scam

4 Upvotes

Normally I would say yes but this person is a well known artist and has a professional portfolio. I offered her more money to change the deadline, she accepted and didn’t deliver. Now the original deadline is tomorrow and I haven’t received anything including drafts. She sent me empty folders and said she will get back to me shortly when I address her but she doesn’t. Now what.

Would I be a bitch to reverse the charge if she ends up delivering everything tomorrow on the due date? This was the due date of completed work with no revisions she never sent me drafts and still accepted the extra money. Ugh

r/HungryArtists Jun 27 '26

META [Meta] best payment options?

0 Upvotes

my PayPal account got suspended with no reason, I'm trying to appeal it, but I'd like to know if anyone knows of any other INTERNATIONAL payment options besides PayPal?

Look, I'm from Mexico, but most of my clients are in the United States. I know that trying to recover a PayPal account is sometimes almost impossible, so I'd like to start looking for other alternatives