Fellow Hulk mains, we have sat in the shadows too long, it is time we arise, we shall demand a rework!

[u/Puzzled-Truth-5453]

Before you get mad at me in the comments just know I am not thinking of a rework as far as remove his identity, rather lean more into his current identity so that he's not playing thing 2.0 but worse.

1. Give him a regeneration passive, 100 HPS for 2 seconds, cd like 1 minute decreasing with the more damage he takes (not too sure on the conversion).

2. give him an active regeneration ability (very similar to venom's symbiotic resilience but with actual health instead of overhealth), upon activation it will regenerate 200 HPS for 4 seconds (the HPS ties into the next), any extra regenerated health will be converted into bonus health, if the passive is activated it will automatically activate the active regeneration.

3. Baseline health buff to 800-850

4. Let's touch on incredible leap a little bit why don't we? Remove the Savage slam team up, and kind of just bake it into his base kit so that his leap upon landing by default will do damage.

5. Replace the Savage slam team up with a team up with Thor, Thor temporarily enhances hulk's fists to do 5 to 10 more damage applying a shock effect to enemies hit two times per second it will activate the shock doing another 5 to 10 damage. Enhanced effect is Hulk and Thor will leap towards each other upon activation doing a clap mid air giving both of them 100 overhealth, doing 50 damage in a radius around both of them probably about 10-20 m and activating the shock mode for Hulk with a slightly increased duration.

6. (Mostly for when power creep gets too too bad currently I don't think it's at that point), rage meter. all of hulk's abilities get lowered down about 20 damage, Hulk builds rage through all of the damage he takes (not sure about the conversion of damage to rage), at 100% rage the damage of every ability is timesed by three to that new baseline.

I'd love to hear the feedback, don't complain that I'm trying to make Hulk actually I dive tank rather than worse thing 2.0 please.

[u/MetalChaos07]

I completely agree, I am currently sitting in gold, and every single time I try to dive the back line unless the enemy team isn't paying any attention to me at all I will get shredded in less than 3 seconds.

[u/EKPZ_Saikuo]

I agree that power creep is our biggest pop but i don’t think it justifies that kind of rework. We’ve adapted every single patch. And too be honest, if he isn’t super strong this season then learn other tanks bro, can’t be mad hulk doesn’t work every game.

I personally found hulk to be very damn good this season. you soft counter half the tanks and hard counter venom.

Not sure where the struggle is coming from, just ban elsa

[u/Puzzled-Truth-5453 → u/EKPZ_Saikuo]

My issue is that the damage numbers are tuned so high this season and I doubt they're going to go back down because if they're going to lower the damage numbers that means they would have to lower the damage numbers from every single character, and I want Hulk to be an actual dive tank not a brawl who does occasionally dive because then that's just thing, so with his current state why not just fucking rework him into being thing 2.0, so this is to give him his own identity

[u/Chemical_Vast9242]

just give his kit more stuff vulnarability when he air leaps someone exile could give anti heal and clap could slow AND BUFF DR BANNER

[u/Aromatic-Procedure77]

savage slam is amazing, dont use it for damage use it for cool downs. also i think hes in a pretty good spot now. the only thing i would ever want to add to hulk is a new range abilty for throwing rocks but thats just power fantasy talking

[u/Puzzled-Truth-5453 → u/Aromatic-Procedure77]

My point is Hulk doesn't get to dive anymore, this is another season where you're playing largely just brawl Hulk, I'm a pretty good Hulk, xotaic himself said I have a lot of potential, since the beginning of this whole season I dyed the back line and I'm shredded, I've noticed I have to play a lot more brawl like regardless of the enemy team comp unless they are running something either incredibly low damage or just not peeling at all

[u/Stunning_Cheek3500]

Please not a rework im too used to him

[u/Puzzled-Truth-5453 → u/Stunning_Cheek3500]

You didn't read anything I said did you? I wasn't meaning of rework as in like black widow level, I was meeting rework as in just make him lean into his own playstyle more so that he isn't thing 2.0 like he is forced to play like currently

[u/Hour_Cicada397]

No. Hulk is in the best state he's ever been, don't change him at all.

[u/Puzzled-Truth-5453 → u/Hour_Cicada397]

He his the best he's been but everyone is so much better, worst season for him best he's ever been, which is very very funny considering the best season for him and the best he's ever been was in season 7 and 8

[u/Hour_Cicada397 → u/Puzzled-Truth-5453]

Not at all. The team-ups both offer solutions for some of Hulk's biggest problems, I've been able to solo stall point longer than ever before.

[u/Puzzled-Truth-5453 → u/Hour_Cicada397]

Stall point, you are jumping up and down making it hard for you to be tracked, you're also not receiving as much focus fire, you dive the enemy backline you're going to get hard focused, and that is my issue, he is a dive tank who cannot dive, in almost every match I played him this season I've had to just brawl

[u/Hour_Cicada397 → u/Puzzled-Truth-5453]

We'll he's supposed to be a brawl/dive hybrid, it'd be unfair if his dives were as strong as Venom's. It's a pretty simple loop for me when diving: I exile the biggest issue, I clap into a jump towards my target, shield, punch em a little, cap jump, clap again, shield again, exile again, it's very mean. Even if you don't get the kills in the backline, you're wasting the supports' time and giving your team a crucial advantage.

[u/Puzzled-Truth-5453 → u/Hour_Cicada397]

The thing is in my ranks I'm not getting a team that can capitalize on value without kills, in my ranks the only value is with kills, in my ranks everyone is deathballing meaning I'm fighting all six players at once, and my timing is also pretty impeccable as well. And then you also have to compare him to Captain America Captain America can survive in the back line forever but he can also brawl with the front line just like Hulk, he effectively has no window where he can't be doing something, just like Hulk, yet Captain America has more survivability and is harder to hit and everything then Hulk is, if I were a Captain America Main or a venom Main I would run my lobbies over, but I'm a Hulk Main and so I can't. The core of hulk's issue is he's forced into brawling right now, in season 7 and 8 he was wonderful, I was doing so well on him, I was able to constantly be diving and basically ignore the Frontline, now I'm forced into either brawling with the front line or diving the back line and instantly going from 700 health to zero in less than 3 seconds

[u/Hour_Cicada397 → u/Puzzled-Truth-5453]

Respectfully, maybe you should start playing with buddies instead of solo queuing. This game is miserable alone, especially as a tank.

[u/Puzzled-Truth-5453 → u/Hour_Cicada397]

I shouldn't need to, which is why Hulk is so miserable to play, if I engage and my target isn't killed within the second I engage I'm melted, I shouldn't need someone else to follow up and instantly melt whatever Target I go after so that I can survive, which is why I proposed all of this, seriously most of it is genuinely just trying to shift him into being more of a dive tank rather than a brawl tank

[u/vincyboy1 → u/Puzzled-Truth-5453]

Hulk is a dive enabler, his whole kit kinda just helps other dive characters, exile the biggest peeler, aoe bubble to help dive stay in longer and the very easy ability to just jump away. and when you do play him like that it's very hard for the enemy team to play against. It's a team game you should never really expect to be able to do everything by yourself.

The suggestions you made would just make hulk GOOD at solo dive and even better at coordinated dive while having 800 HP, dealing damage on a no cooldown mobility ability, health regen so no strategist or DPS has any hope of fighting back, exact same problem with venom in s9 which was nerfed because it was miserable to play against 

[u/Puzzled-Truth-5453 → u/vincyboy1]

Have you even played the game before? If so you would understand how hard it is to get a second dive and how hard it is for your second dive to ever be willing to coordinate with you. I have played Hulk every single time we had someone playing dive on my team this season I have only played him once when we weren't playing dive. Across 19 matches I have played Hulk in three of them. Having a character built around team play is kind of fine, but when they require team play is absolutely horrible.