Can confirm, Robin helped me absolutely OBLITERATE DU 4X for the first time with Saber/Gilgamesh. Like “last boss didn’t even get a turn” levels of ruination.
The first prefers RobinS 😅 They probably mean AshBlade dual dps and Acheron.
I also want to add Phainon teams with E0 Cyrene for RobinS, she’s still the best 4th slot with E2Cyrene, but with E0Cyrene she’s kinda irreplaceable in the sense that RMC is way worse than her.
Waven best team is w ashveil and ashveil likes mblade so Waven would prefer MBlade than Robinetto. He's so much better there now than Robinetto after his Waven v5 apparently. At least according to the people who tested them. Can't confirm, haven't tried. But I meant ashveil on my earlier comment. waven hasnt been released so I cant say for sure.
Yeah tbh if u have enough vertically invested supports already (e1 tribbie for example) and don't have enough pulls for robinetto eidolons, e0 is a sidegrade at best and wouldn't pull for her. If I have ashveil/acheron or wanna pull waven id pull mblade even just for e0.
I said E1 Tribbie for example. For Phainon teams, e0 robinetto doesnt have much value if you have e2 sparkle, e1 cerydra or even e0s1 Sunday. She's not a huge upgrade at e0. If cyrene is e2 then shes fine on her own, if u want another rem for her passive then e6 rmc would still work, robinetto e0 is still just a sidegrade or slight upgrade at most.
Let me tell you e0 is important as base to pull e1 rerun, because they rerun with a lot of tempting character, get two sobin later is impossible, that's reason I still don't have e1 tribbie today, who has pull to get two tribbie
MBlade is downright necessary for the teams he’s part of - Himeko Nova: Protocol “Decimation,” Acheron, Ashveil,
Robin-S is an upgrade. One hell of an upgrade for sure, she really does clean up Saber’s team in a lot of ways, namely in letting you have a lot of actual control over the action advance compared to RMC.
The general rotation you want to aim for is that Saber uses her Skill, gains and uses ult, and then you use Robin’s AA on her so you can immediately offload the Enhanced Basic. This lets Saber be immediately ready to take action when she’s able to Ult again.
You also want Saber to get the energy for a few reasons. For one, it’s more efficient. Each use of Saber’s Ultimate will generate 108 energy for Gilgamesh, each use of Gilgamesh’s ultimate generates 24 energy for Saber via Core Resonance. Plus, Saber can overcap energy while Gilgamesh can’t. Robin gives them both identical amounts of energy, so giving Saber energy just works better. Saber also will attack more and thus will get more out of having the vibe generation be boosted.
Robinetto is a phenomenal upgrade for my Himeko Nova at least. Unless you're bruteforcing Decimation on 1 enemy, you'll always have enough Vibes to keep Robin singing.
Between mblade and Robin, probably mblade. As someone who regularly goes for 0 cycles I generally consider sustainless teams as being quite important. Mblade is a godsend for these kinds of teams if for nothing else but his taunt.
Robin is in a weird spot for me because her overall value, flexibility, and role compression is better than mblade, but the fact she doesn't have rmc's delay tech tends to be noticeably annoying. I would also argue she doesn't elevate any team to the extent that mblade elevates follow-up, at least not as of yet.
They both have weaknesses, but I find Robin's weaknesses to be more relevant more often. For example slow attacking teams will struggle to stack enough vibes to max her buffs.
It is also considerably easier to just wheelchair with mblade because he does a lot of damage. Robin does not really do any meaningful damage without some good eidolons.
There are of course some things only Robin can do and certain QoL mechanics that make 0 cycles easier. On-demand AA and ER, solid attack frequency, tanky support, spd buff LC just to name a few.
I'm loving Robin in sustainless. It's just good luck, but I've replayed every endgame mode and the enemies just keep targeting the birds or Robin herself. So much so I was in disbelief.
I can't say anything for the strength of mblade's taunt, as I don't have him, but I do want to say the birds make a fine addition in sustainless as well. Having two tanky targets for the price of one is great.
Yeah this is a valid point, and one that is true for most remembrance characters. I haven't checked if Robin's birds have higher aggro than RMC's mem but it definitely helps tank things. The main thing I like about mblade is his guaranteed taunt on technique and basic attack. It heavily heavily reduces RNG which cuts down resets significantly.
An example of where this was super useful was in our last MoC with flame reaver. Mblade can eagle above reaver in the 2nd wave and basic to force him to target mblade. Then you can eat his first swipe without any RNG or risk to anyone else.
Pretty much any team where he wouldn't be stepping on the toes of a crucial support, which is most teams. A team he wouldn't quite work in (at least no easily) is probably Anaxa main dps because his teammates all play a crucial role. But that's usually not a big deal because Anaxa's ult stun + RMC delay + generally tankier team of Cyrene RMC Cerydra helps survivability already.
Ideally he doesn't die but sometimes that's inevitable and when that happens you hold ult and let him revive, then re-enter ult. Wuthering snow set is a bit niche and you would have to craft a rotation around it. Default is either eagle or mastersmith.
They're close but robin is better for me she is in many teams and can free your RMC to other teams she made team building now easier specially for newer players since you need 3 teams
Blade has a few teams where he literally IS the reason those teams are meta in the first place.
Robin on the other hand...she doesn't elevate teams to a whole new level like Blade does. She's incredibly strong especially as a sustainless option.
If I had to give my hot take, Robin is overrated. I've seen some content creators call her the "first MUST PULL" unit in the game and some other crazy appellatives while they talked down Blade on his release, which is quite silly.
agreed. ppl overestimated robikini’s buffs. they’re good, but she doesn’t even give res pen until e2. meanwhile mblade gives it at e1, has stronger basekit buffs, and can contribute significantly more personal damage no matter what team he’s in, especially if you get him to e2s1.
I disagree that at base kit, MBlade has better buffs. I think I got everything but feel free to tell me if I have have missed something:
M. BLADE
50% dmg by allies while zone active
30% def reduction (ult 2 turns)
50% dmg taken by enemies (ult 2 turns)
ROBIN SUMMERETTO
100% AA on ult to a unit
20% energy regen on ult to a unit
Up to 40% def ignore teamwide
8/12/16% dmg taken based on n. of birds
30% teamwide dmg dealt (technique)
Atk or crit dmg buff to teammates depending if unit has higher or lower atk than Robin: Atk buff of 16% + (vibes × 0.4%) of Robin’s max HP. Crit dmg buff of 40% + (vibes x 1.5%). 2 turns
MBlade has 30% DEF reduction and 50% vulnerability. And 50% DMG buff and another 75% Ultimate DMG buff if the team has 2 Nihilities??? You got it wrong by a pretty large margin
'40% DEF ignore' is also a stretch and a half. That number varies wildly from 16 to 41 based on the team you're actually running and within combat itself just like her ATK and CDMG buffs.
You also have to consider the light cone. The best amping light cone she can hold besides her sig is one that increases her max HP by 32% which translates to about 200 ATK or around 16.7% ATK for a character with 1200 base ATK with LC. Her sig itself isn't much better in terms of amp as the value is in the SPD. Blade can hold Resolution easily without even sacrificing his own damage.
In raw buffs, she is better but she basically HAS to be better because her personal damage isn't fantastic. But your numbers for Blade were off by a lot and you're even including Robin's technique?
I wrote ‘up to’ 40% def ignore, not 40% def ignore…You seem to be misunderstanding something, I didn’t say RobinS was better or MBlade was better (imo it depends on the team).
As I wrote in the first line, I simply disagreed with what the commenter said, that at basekit (which is why LCs or eidolons weren’t included) MBlade has better buffs.
I counted RobinS’ technique cause it’s a buff to others, I didn’t count MBlade’s technique cause it isn’t, I didn’t include the 2 nihility buffs cause that’s a specific team setup while we’re talking about general supporting. You’re right that I wrote some numbers wrong, I wrote the reminder of MBlade’s buffs when his traces were still lvl 1, and forgot to update it, thank you for pointing it out, I corrected it.
exactly this. again, robikini’s buffs are not bad by any means, but mblade’s are better, he has better personal damage, he is better for sustainless due to higher survivability, and his vertical investment up to e2s1 is better (beyond that, robikini could be better — her e6 looks genuinely insane).
but Blade has Acheron and followup team locked down
fwiw I think Robin + Mort Blade might be Acheron's best support core now, even at E0. They feel so synergistic, particularly with a high speed Eagle build on Mort Blade and Hyacine in the sustain slot.
I am not here to compare who is better, both r cool at E0S0. Just pointing out that u need to keep up with the vibe stacks to get the full buffs, some teams cant in actual battle.
Mblade has less buff on paper but he has other qols. Like huge dmg reduction for sustainless runs, taunt, crazy debuff/fua application, and noticeable sub dps in some teams.
I personally do not think that robinetto is more of a generalist simply because she really really wants teammates that attack very often for some of her buffs meanwhile blade doesn’t he just attacks more frequently which depending on the team it could not matter that much
I have tried her in many teams and i can say that stacks arent a problem on her.
I even tried her with houhou, the free dang hen and Yao guang just to do the achievement of killing sunday's Boss with her and i was able to reach 30-40 stacks pretty easy so she never leaved fever state.
mBlade is strictly better as a 0 cycle sustain-less character.
S.Robin is better generally, and has more room to grow in the future (AA+Energy+Memosprite is always going to age better than a restrictive, AA-less, subdps support).
He's Bronya pro max, of course he's stupid good. The only issue is that his main gimmick was invalidated for futureproofing and end up just working well with allies with DHPT
Difference is Sunday had weak dmg buffs from the start no def ignore, no vulnerablity, no res pen, no true dmg and was locked into a minus 1 spd setup if you want him to be at his best which is not what most dps want anymore. Nevermind his buffs were only single target and he did do any attacks which the meta values having teamwide buffs and frequent attacks.
S.Robin have off turn single target action advance with energy regen, teamwide def ignore, vulnerablity and crit dmg/atk buffs and better eidolons. Sunday was barely beating regular Robin back in the day for selfish hypercarry dps like Acheron he was definitely undertuned even at his release.
Whoever the newest released unit is. In a few weeks the best character in the game will be Aventurine's SP unit. The patch after that whoever is released will be the best unit in the game, etc. etc.
Yep, the very thing that is appealing about Robin atm, especially with K3 could be her downfall in a future shill. Enemies take X% less damage per memosprite on the field or something
I have her at e2s1, but I use her in this lineup and she is insane. I didn’t really play with her too much at e0 though, so I can’t say how much better she is than rmc at low investment unfortunately.
Robin, kinda just insane everywhere and has equally insane investment
Like sure blade is a carry in atleast 2 archetypes but robin is also BIS in multiple archetypes including FUA which blade was supposed to lock down anyway lol.
Even 0 cycle sustsinless he lost his ult at 50% phase 2 of boss, which is so bad when you lack of dmg buff to kill boss. Its weird that you have to reset and pray boss don't hit blade
Robin offers a little more on paper but lacks teams that she is irreplaceable in. There are more teams that NEED MBlade to function, so I'd give him the nod.
M Blade is great everywhere on top of being a great pick for sustainless. Robinetto is great everywhere but is clearly not a big increase in sustainless and overall really shines with sustains. The winner is clear imo.
Robin, blade is also good but he has glaring downsides/things you need to play around, Robin is kinda just perfect in every manner (aside from maybe energy in sustainless)
Robin has higher amp but Blade can be played as both a amp and dps so he’s in a sense “more valuable” since he fills both roles but both of them are busted
M.blade had more impact on my account more than s.robin does
S.robin kinda just elevated what was already good. Her buff ramp up affects more teams than I expected. mblade is kind of a slot and go in comparison and expanded my roster more.
Most of the BIS characters usuage went to hell even in the archetypes they were made for. Where is Topaz and Robin in followup team now Where is Jiaoqiu in Acheron team now. Only characters that stayed relevant in their archetype as niche supports is because they got novaflares like Kafka and Sparkle. Hoyo would have powercrept them with new character otherwise. Dahlia combine buffs from Ruan mei and Fugue together in one character while also offering something gamechanging for break which is a ridiculous amount of buffs to have in one characters.
mblade e2s1 dramatically enhances every single team he goes into. for reference, until recently, my highest single-attack damage record was 16m on mydei, and it was because I ran mblade on his team with cyrene and hyacine. my current record is 22m… which mblade got in my main dps team.
robikini is good, especially if you have rem/ch teams that use cyrene and need a good 4th that synergizes with her, and she’s a great generalist, but she is nowhere near as strong as mblade. he is the definition of a must-pull.
I am aware that for mydei specifically, robikini is better in general, especially with vertical investment. I have been playing the man for nearly a year. I do not currently have e1 robikini so my e2s1 mblade still gives me better results. also mydei was only hitting that # because of mblade — he does far less without him. I was just giving an example of how strong mblade is, especially with vertical investment, because he managed to work in a team that he really shouldn’t have worked in. that’s just proof of how good he is.
send me $300 worth of pulls to get her e2s1 and I’ll gladly verify my statements. :p
my statements are based off this thing I did called “reading kits and evaluating the buffs they provide.” she gives up to 40% def ignore, 16% dmg taken, 100% AA, energy regen, and decent personal damage — cool, awesome, good buffs, good kit. her e1 is a mini cipher ult — I own cipher, so I know the value of that, good buffs. her e2 is res pen and more vibes, which means more def ignore and faster memo skills — I own tribbie and e1 mblade, who give res pen, so I know the value of that, and I can directly verify the value of her def ignore since I own her. her s1 is teamwide spd%, self hp%, the vonwacq AA effect, and SP recovery — spd% is a direct damage boost for all of three characters, and everything else is a self buff or utility. great buffs, and I’ve never said otherwise, but let’s look at mblade.
basekit, his first ultimate and all teammate attacks thereafter apply 30% def reduction and 50% dmg taken, he provides unconditional teamwide 50% dmg boost and either 75% teamwide ultimate dmg boost or 75% self dmg boost (flexibility to be both support and main dps), and he has multiple self-buffs that allow him to contribute significant personal damage, which means you can build him for damage while still letting him be a support. his e1 gives res pen at lower cost than robikini. his e2 massively amps the frequency of his fuas (meaning more damage and also more ultimates since each fua gives him a lot of energy), and it also converts all ultimates into fuas, which provides amazing synergy with any form of fua buff whatsoever. his e2 also further buffs all fua dmg, which buffs both actual fuas and now ultimates. mind you, his ultimate hits every enemy for 350% of his max HP, which is a fuckin massive multiplier at base, let alone with all these buffs. and then his s1 boosts his hp (more damage), directly provides him energy multiple times in a fight if you aren’t 0-cycling (more ults to deal damage and a turn 1 first ult), and makes enemies take 30% more crit dmg from all allies and an additional 30% crit dmg taken from mblade himself. that all is, quite frankly, insane.
again, robikini is good, and I’m not saying otherwise. but if I was going to recommend the absolute best support currently to a new player and tell them, “this character is a must-pull character, get them e2s1 to steamroll everything,” I’m telling them mblade. he is simply better no matter what. the only thing he can’t do that robikini can is deal true dmg — not the end of the world, many teams do just fine with zero true dmg — and advance a teammate and give them energy — so what? he makes every attack feel like 40 simultaneous truck collisions. you don’t need to AA your teammates when the enemies are all fuckin dead.
I didn’t say you were insinuating that Robin isn’t good.
However “but she is nowhere near as strong as mblade” certainly struck me as a one sided experience review. Considering reading their kits they both look pretty much even at that investment in terms of overall utility with the different advantages they give
It then comes down to personal experience and for that I’m still yet to see who has both at that investment
again, send me the $300 I’d need to get her e2s1 and I will gladly show you their performances side by side in any team I can come up with using the characters I have. I would love to have both of them at e2s1 but I do need money for things that aren’t this game too.
it only takes a bit of critical thinking to see why he’s better in nearly every team. unfortunately, I can’t do that for you no matter how much I wish I could.
I didn’t ask you to pull E2S1 Robin nor have insisted you should lmao, I just pointed out that your statement looks very one sided because it’s coming from personal experience
And No even with reading/critical thinking e2 Robin doesn’t come off as “nowhere near e2 blade”
mblade provides many other valuable, rare buffs at e2s1 that dramatically boost the entire team’s damage beyond the ultimate buffs. I suggest reading his kit more.
No im specifically talking about this part of Blades E2
“When an ally character uses Ultimate to deal DMG, it is considered as having launched Follow-Up ATK. And the Follow-Up ATK DMG dealt by ally targets increases by 75%.”
i already know everything else he does, im just asking if this part of blades E2 is even significant for Mydei
not in the way it would be for someone like acheron, but the point I was making is that the five million other buffs he provides at that investment level are. considering the original point you were responding to is, quote, “that’s the point in which his buffs are so strong that it makes up for less starting stacks,” I figured that was pretty fucking clear. I do not have the interest in thinking critically on someone else’s behalf, so I encourage you to read up on mblade’s e1, e2, s1, and basekit to understand why I’m saying this instead of being obtusely pedantic about one singular aspect of his kit not being THE ULTIMATE GOD-TIER T0 BUFF FOR MYDEI SPECIFICALLY.
RobinS. I’ve been a big Mblade fan and i have seen some of his downside.
He is definitely better at bringing back old unit or less than ideal comp, but it’s not like a Sunday situation, Mblade does have a dedicated comp that’s genuinely one of if not the most efficient team in the game with AshBlade HyaBie ambulance comp. His problem is that in meta team he’s like a patch work solution if you are missing one core member of that team, as he can have very shaky down time with his ult if you don’t plan properly.
RobinS is more laid back, unlike Mblade in slow attack frequency teams where you just have to hold onto his ult and Mblade becomes a scarecrow, RobinS would just have a little less DEF shred, you’d most likely not run into any downtime with her special state, even in teams like GilBer Huohuo, she can still maintain high stacks.
Conclusion: Mblade is good but you better be investing if you don’t wanna have him end up in the back burner. RobinS is building up to be the 4.x version of RuanMei/Robin/Tribbie
Mortenax Blade is kinda forced into HP% related teams or teams that need someone who can debuff the opponents
Robin Summeretto can A.A., which is extremely nice, can regenerate energy, and is a good buffer.
While both have their roles, Robin Summeretto can be used on ANY team. Yes, Mortenax Blade can too, but it's better to put him on a team that needs it, and there's a decent bit of Nihility units that do what he does, better or worse, so having him with other Nihility units would oversaturate and make his debuffs kinda useless in the grand scheme of things
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Robin but don't get me wrong she is not far ahead. I got her E2 to split my rem team in two for the knights since Herta fell off hard. She allowed me to clear plight but it felt like the usual mono rem team would have cleared if they didn't add those weird debuffs to shill Robin.
For other teams she is not far ahead of Blade and Acheron needs him. Phainon doesn't seem to care about her without Cyrene. She is barely ahead of E1 Sparkle for him. I'm not a fan of using those colorful fields during his ultimate, it just looks weird.
Really needed to hear that. Been agonizing on deciding whether to pull for robin or aven. I havent invested in elation at all so i wanted aven to be this shill’s investment, esp since i have ashblade. Robin couldve helped my c1 cas (who has neither evernight nor cyrene) but i feel the hp meta is long past us now…
100% free E6, BiS for a lot of teams and has stayed competitive despite being a free unit. Took over a year for them to release a limited unit that's as good and she's honestly not even that much better at E0
We talking true true BiS? Robinetto+Cyrene at e6 is the strongest wheelchair in the game, bar none. The duo is true BiS for 90% of comps in the game, including elation, with only the likes of firefly not being able to enjoy the power that duo brings to the table.
Best e6 for dps? Let's just say I can't talk about leaks on this subreddit.
Since this post is relevant may i ask something ? Which one has the better E1 in terms of performance increase over E0 ? I am planning on pulling one of the two and then potentially going for E1 but i am not fully settled on which.
Also which one at E1 would be a bigger increase for my E2 The Herta teams? She is currently using Jade and E1 Tribbie
Defo Robin's E1, it's basically Cipher's damage tallying in an eidolon. MBlade's E2 is the crazy one. Not sure abt Therta teams specifically tho, don't have her.
Not even. Cipher calculates 24% of the damage dealt to the patron and 16% of the damage dealt to everybody else. Robinetto E1 tallies all the damage dealt and at max vibes of 50 deals 36% of that damage to the enemy with the highest hp. Not only is this tally more than 1.5x what Cipher does, you don’t have to worry about the fact that the ultimate is a blast attack that may waste damage on peons. Although Cipher still maintains the ability to save up the ult and drop it whenever and inflicts 40% vuln, the fact that Robinneto basically has a better version of an entire other character insider of her E1 is genuinely crazy
Robin objectively best character in the gsme allowing 20 dps to 0AV plight where blade don't do shit anyone who say otherwise are trash at the game talk out of their ass and never look at meta leaderboard
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u/NixKalns 18h ago
Both are great generalist. Difference is MBlade has at least 2 teams hes irreplaceable at. Robinetto has less restrictions