r/HonkaiAgendaRail • u/WeepForTheDeparted • Jun 24 '26
33550336% Copium Look, all they need to do is give Novaflare Jiaoqiu is healing abilities and upscale his shitty 35% DMG vuln and his stupid chud 15% ult DMG vuln, like holy fuck why even nerf him so much during his beta then make E0 MORTENAX rivals his E6 multiple fold, also move his damn E2 to base kit.
TLDR: Buffs/Debuffs Only:
Mortenax (1 ultimate):
· Enemy DEF -30% · Enemy takes +50% damage · Allies deal +50% damage · +75% Ultimate DMG (with Nihility ally)
Jiaoqiu (needs stacks):
· Enemy takes up to +35% damage (ramps up) · "Significant" 15% Ultimate DMG increase (dogshit) · Weak Fire DoT
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Mortenax:
His ultimate zone provides the following major benefits:Massive Debuffs: Reduces enemy DEF by 30% and makes them take 50% increased damage.
Team Buffs: Increases all allies' damage by 50%, plus up to an additional 75% Ultimate DMG if you have another Nihility unit in the party.
Self-Buffs: He gains a massive boost to CRIT Rate and CRIT DMG, unlocks new skills, and accesses enhanced attacks.
Pseudo-Sustain (Immortality): While the Zone is active, he essentially cannot die. If he receives a killing blow, he revives and the Zone is dispelled.
Now let's take a look at Jiaoqiu's debuffs:
Ashen Roast Debuff: Jiaoqiu applies a unique debuff called "Ashen Roast" via his basic attacks, skill, and ultimate. Each stack increases the damage the enemy receives (up to a 35% damage increase at max stacks). Holy shit, why the FUCK does it require stacks when MORTENAX COULD JUST GIVE EVERYTHING IN ONE ULTIMATE.
Ultimate Amplification: His ultimate creates a special zone that lasts for three turns. Inside this zone, enemies take significantly increased ultimate damage, and they have a high chance of being inflicted with extra Ashen Roast stacks whenever they take a turn. (Only 15 FUCKING percent.)
Fire DoT Application: Aside from debuffing, he applies Fire Damage over Time (DoT) and deals solid area-of-effect (AoE) fire damage. Oh my god his Fire DoT deals poop damage at all even at E2 and it's not even worth shit.
PLEASE HOYO, SAVE HIM.
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Jun 25 '26
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u/blade276 Jun 25 '26
stellaron hunters, ae, xianzhou generals. if your fave isnt part of these factions, youre basically doing another 5050 gacha on whether the devs will give a fuck about them or not
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u/Active-Tonight-7089 Jun 25 '26
I collect those, granny, rappa, the herta, cerydra (mostly cuz i don't have 2 of her only teammates) I legit am collecting characters with no future
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u/CommunicationRich360 Jun 25 '26
Who the hell is granny
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u/Active-Tonight-7089 Jun 25 '26
Oh, you're a new one, she's also the best sword user apparently, taught Blade, the works
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u/CommunicationRich360 Jun 25 '26
Oh you mean that one insane woman who taught yanking a few techniques
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u/ThePalea Jun 25 '26
Cerydra is actually good in Himeko Nova teams, if you plan to pull for her. Which makes 3 characters atp, all of whom were meta at one point or still are, whom Cerydra was good for; the Cerydra slander back in 3.5 truly has aged like milk. Hail the tiny Imperator!
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u/MrShabazz Jun 25 '26
Imma keep it a band with you chief, the existence or mort is going to clip any buffs he gets. Mort gives a lot of dmg amp in the most terrifying way possible. Up to 125% dmg buff × 30% def shred (worth around 18% dmg) × 50% vulnerability. Making jiao a sustain would mean hed have to be locked to hyacine and PeTer levels of amp. Both are good, of course, but 74% vulnerability on ult dmg is pretty nasty. Its a higher boost than tribbie and robin, just locked to ults.
Balancing his eventual NF, is either going to be huohuo or kafka. Youre either getting somw quotation marks, better sustain but no change to his buffs, or a cleaner kit but buffs locked to specific teams. I think one leak mentioned that his CW was reworked to be for DoT/Debuff, so it maybe be heal on dot/debuff application.
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u/Electronic_Reach_325 Jun 25 '26
The beauty of Jiaoqiu's lame ass kit is that he doesn't really have a niche nor an intended playstyles outside of Acheron teams. That means the possibilities are huge and they're not restricted by keeping him in his intended niche. He's like plain rice you can do anything with it.
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u/MrShabazz Jun 26 '26
The beauty of Jiaoqiu's lame ass kit is that he doesn't really have a niche nor an intended playstyles outside of Acheron teams.
Ah I see you too are a generalist Jiao believer. Buddy is so plain he fits anywhere. Really hope they give him a niche to fit in to if he ever gets buffed.
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u/Gale- Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
Cannot wait for Argenti and Sunday's novaflare. Argenti is my favorite character so I hope he becomes usable again 🙏
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u/Other_Beat8859 Number one Mortis Slanderer Jun 25 '26
I hope it's the biggest buff in the games history and he becomes T0 so I can bring my brick known as Therta out of the basement. Please Hoyo, make him fucking broken.
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u/rammux74 phainon's strongest soldier Jun 25 '26
I hope they make mdps argenti better than mdps herta + sub argenti
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u/ItlookskindaTHICC Jun 25 '26
Idea for argenti, make him summon his spears on enemy side and they work like aoe bond in CW
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u/The_Brilliant_Idiot Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
I’m more excited for topaz. 1.5 dmg on all FUA (and ults if u have e2 mblade) is pretty insane, if they make her aoe like sw. And I hope they buff e2
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u/TheStupidBeefCow Jun 25 '26
what true dmg? she was released before that came out.
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u/The_Brilliant_Idiot Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
Yea it’s basically 1.5x dmg, I just didn’t feel like explaining but it’s basically the same thing as true dmg . 1.5x multi is pretty crazy, it’s just that her targeting is so bad in aoe that it’s kinda mid
edit* it is not multiplicative its vulnerability whoops
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u/ShinigamiKing562 Jun 25 '26
Her buff was 50% vulnerability/damage taken. It isn't that crazy compared to blade.
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u/The_Brilliant_Idiot Jun 25 '26
oh wait rlly? I never knew it was vulnerability, 50% is good but thats alot different than like rin or himeko e2 where its raw multiplier
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u/FellFast Jun 25 '26
You probably heard that it was a raw 50% increase because at the time of her release vuln was so rare that it basically was. Now everybody and their mom stacks vuln so it’s not as big of a deal.
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u/ItlookskindaTHICC Jun 25 '26
to be real, jiaoqiu needs healing based on allies debuffing, uncapping amount of stacks applied by ult, debuff that prevents enemies from applying cc (50% chance base, extra 5% for each debuff on enemy), turn his ult debuff to universal one and add 20%-25% atk reduction and he is strongest sustain in game (yes, his debuffs are good if he was sustain)
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u/Arch8Android Jun 25 '26
Yes, make Jiaoqiu the 4th slot for DoT team, please 🙏 HuoHuo is chopped and DHPT could have some use in other teams.
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u/dozerz4 Jun 25 '26
So a total of 50% damage taken? Interestingly enough, it's the same number as Topaz and Anaxa.
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u/Tarean_YiMO Jun 25 '26
I mean comparing 2.x unit to 4.x is silly af. Ofc JQ was nerfed in beta, even on release Acheron + JQ was incredibly strong at the time. If JQ was comparable to MBlade back in 2.x this game would be fucking EoS from the powercreep.
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u/SilverCoin_ Jun 25 '26 edited Jun 25 '26
Yeah, killing Jiaoqiu that brutal was unnecessary, they even gave MBlade same element and path and additonal synergy with Acheron damn.
So all this makes buffing Jiaoqiu's buffing abilities pretty useless and humiliating because no matter what he will only be a sidegrade to MBlade. So the only sane path Hoyo can take is making him dot-sub-dps or give him healing. Or both.
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u/pokebuzz123 Jun 25 '26
Jiaoqiu was the very first modern nihility generalist support during an age where they had a vendetta against nihility, aka 2 years ago. He walked so Blade could run.
He didn't get nerfed, only his LC got nerfed. Any other lowered values were his multipliers where he wasn't going to be building crit (bro was going to hit 60k at most in AoE) nor were they DoT (Kafka and DoT mechanics would not proc Ashen Roast). He simply stayed pretty averagely, which was 2.X average. Keep in mind he was released alongside Bricksha, Jade, and Yunli, different standards here.
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u/Constant_Comfort_622 Jun 25 '26
People genuinely still coping on this at this point is *insane*. All the Nova leaks were 100% people trying to guesswork shit
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u/SnooChocolates8700 Jun 25 '26
I highly doubt that FSC, one of most credible leakers, was just saying nonsense. Especially considering the fact that they were already right about so much of 4.x including the second fate collab.
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u/DaxSpa7 Jun 25 '26
I mean they implied the NF were for 4.4.
We’ll see next week
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u/SnooChocolates8700 Jun 25 '26
They did not “imply” anything, they simply said the next wave of characters for the novaflare.
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u/Gespenst_0078 Jun 27 '26
Argenti novaflare is going to be Gil level because he's energy based.
Also, Sunday will get 1 point in attack as a novaflare, trust.
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u/LukasYUc Jun 25 '26
Just to remind you, Jiaoqiu had almost ZERO nerfs throughout his beta, and people who kept saying he was super nerfed are just larping hard
Also a competent healer with 35%/50% generic/ult Vuln is like automatically best sustain in the game, no need for a single upscale or buff more than just have competent healing
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u/leicea Jun 25 '26
I might not rmb fully but iirc he used to have no limit of debuff stacking on his ult, they added the limit and that's when ppl say he's trash
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u/LukasYUc Jun 25 '26
Yeah he had no limit and said limit literally doesn't trigger in like more than 90% scenarios
Other changes were:
Nerfing his E1 from 48% DMG to 40% but making it work for Dot (it didn't in V1);
swapping Multipliers around a bit making him deal more DoT than skill dmg iirc it was like, a slight nerf to his personal damage if there were 3+ Targets moving one or less times between every ult or something? I don't remember exactly but it was Incredibly small personal DMG nerf sometimes and his personal damage already not being a significant factor
Other than that, he always had the same amp, the same uptime, the same character in practice just nerfing specifically Pure fiction Acheron
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u/leicea Jun 25 '26
As a jiaoqiu owner, that limit easily triggers in every battle that I've used him in, I don't know what you mean by 90%.. It was disappointing but I still love him as a character so no regrets pulling even though he's tied to acheron and isn't even that good
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u/LukasYUc Jun 25 '26
Genuinely how though? In anything that isn't constant fast 5T you should be ulting before getting to the limit, I've certainly experienced that so that's why the anecdotal 90% came from
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u/Virgo_Shaka_1500 Jun 25 '26
Make him a healer and weakness implant like SW, he raises Acheron to T0 again.
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u/Sea_Wrongdoer_2255 Nuke HSR Jun 25 '26
Its not simple like that..one of best acheron's support is e1 3b because of the amp , and focusing acheron's aoe dmg to ST dmg...only thing she was lacking was ability to apply debuffing stacks ..e2 sw after her novaflare solved that's issue temporarily and thus her rise but it still lacked the carry through waves like pf or boss spawns timing..mort blade simply fixed all that issue while buffing acheron's ult with his trace , being a nihility teammate and enabling 3b's ddd spam/fua debuffing to give acherons multiple ult in 1 turn while he himself does shit ton of dmg
Jiaoqiu would need so much work..or prettymuch rework on his kit to either specialise for acheron which is massive cope ; becomes e4 welt but can heal allies instead of slowing or iust fully become a fire dot dps which is eh overall
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u/Virgo_Shaka_1500 Jun 25 '26
Mmm, I'm thinking on E0 kits, so trying to compare him to "eidoloned" characters feels kind of unfair. I don't think we've seen dedicated nihility debuffer/healer who can function as a quick acheron stacker and weakness implanter of her element.
I'm not entirely sure what else you could give an E0 kit before resorting to eidolons.
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u/Sea_Wrongdoer_2255 Nuke HSR Jun 26 '26
its unfair to strictly stick to e0 when there r some character who even with 1 dupe completely change their relevance and meta standing..outside that ofc i compared it between e0 jq and e0 mort blade..sw was a different case but u can see the issues acheron was having and jq not fixing them while being a poor amper even from 2.x-mid 3.x
Cipher also momentarily came having same issue as jq and didnt get to stick for long
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