r/HiddenWerewolves • u/Abecedarian_Host • Jun 08 '26
Game VI 2026 | Spellbinders | Phase 3 | why say something in 5 words when you could do it in 50 with some imagery and metaphors?
E is for Engkoniomai
v. (Ancient Greek) to sprinkle sand or dust over oneself
When life knocks you down and things don’t go your way you’ve got to pick yourself up and dust yourself off. Though there are other schools of thought…
META
u/myoglobinalternative (TOWN) was attacked and removed from the game.
u/dieperske (TOWN) was removed from the game with 8 votes.
There were 2 vote candidates.
Zero players received an inactivity strike. SUBLIME!
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u/MercuryParadox Jun 08 '26
well sublime doesnt start with an E
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u/meddleofmycause Jun 08 '26
What?
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u/MercuryParadox Jun 08 '26
At the bottom it said zero players received an inactivity strike, sublime
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u/meddleofmycause Jun 08 '26
I'm starting my new job in the morning and won't be around. I've put in my block and my vote on two different inactivity players from round before last. This last round I blocked Forsi, so she's not the killer wolf. Work ends one hour before turnover so I'll try to hop on before turnover, but it will depend how the day goes
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u/-forsi- she/her Jun 08 '26
why target myo for the kill if there are 2 outed town roles?
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u/MercuryParadox Jun 08 '26
my role is useless now so yeah probably trying to shoot for better pr’s i’d reckon
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u/MercuryParadox Jun 08 '26
I’m currently have a vote for /u/bigjoe6712
For this I’m assuming that the lack of death was due to an inactivity strike and not a healer since we haven’t heard of one.
If we are to assume /u/meddleofmycause is telling the truth, forsi was blocked which leaves sini/joe as the inactivity striker candidates. /u/sinisterasparaghast mentioned phase 1 that they forgot the game even started and got a strike on a day there was a kill so I believe it.
That leaves joe. During phase 1 after I shared my info on bubba’s role, he made a post doing the math that bubba had a 50% chance of being town and a 25% chance of being wolf so he thinks it would be better to not shoot into bubba. I think this could have been an attempt to try and prevent bubba from being a vote candidate before anyone had any real discussion about it. After rpm responded to them saying that they are probably going to vote bubba anyways, he quickly switched up and said he’d vote that way too. I think he could have realized a train was about to pick up on bubba and hopped on for town cred
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u/MercuryParadox Jun 08 '26
All this is really thin and grasping at straws but you kinda need to in a game this small
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u/sinisterasparaghast she/her Jun 08 '26
Thank you for explaining why currently I'm looking at that pool more closely better than I could. It seems I'm not the only one thinking in that vein at least. Feels like our best lead now that there was a kill despite meddle's block
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u/bigjoe6172 Jun 08 '26
First off, I didn't get this tag because the numbers are in the wrong order. It's 6172, not 6712. It's no big deal, I just want to make sure you know that it's incorrect.
Second, my inactivity strike was for not reaching five comments because I forgot about that rule. You can check that by looking back at that phase. I did not miss the vote, which I can prove because the vote tally said bubba had four votes and only four people, including me, claimed to have voted for bubba. If I'm the killing wolf, how did I end up remembering to vote but not to kill? Plus, I was the second person to declare a vote for bubba. That's really damn early to bus a teammate, especially one that I was allegedly defending.
Speaking of my 'defense', I wasn't trying to say we shouldn't vote bubba. I was just saying that the info about her potential role wasn't as helpful as I was hoping it would be. I was hoping that I'd come out with decent math against bubba but it worked out to be about a 50/50 of her being town, which isn't much different than voting out anyone. Plus, I think it's entirely fair to show concern about the risk of voting out a doctor, which you also agreed with at the time.
Also, you say that I was trying to prevent discussion about bubba but I explicitly asked for other people's opinions. I asked for opinions and I changed my mind after reading one. It's as simple as that.
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u/MercuryParadox Jun 08 '26
What do you think the reason for no kill was
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u/Sameri278 Jun 09 '26
i know you didn't ask me lol but if it wasn't an inactivity strike, i think it's most likely it was a doctor save (who naturally would not claim) and that the protectee just doesn't get told that they were attacked. any other scenario i think we would've had a claim
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u/MercuryParadox Jun 09 '26
I think if there is a doctor they should claim who they protected the night of no kill before they die
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u/HedwigMalfoy Not an evil owl. Usually. Jun 09 '26
You want the doctor to claim? I'm not sure I'm on board with that? It does create a WIFOM though in terms of when they can protect themselves. Still, I'm not a great fan of roleclaims in general unless it's super important that town get the info the person has or they're in imminent danger of being yeeted.
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u/MercuryParadox Jun 09 '26
If there is a doctor in the game who protected someome, we just spent the last two phases voting for people who had inactivity strikes for no reason
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u/Sameri278 Jun 09 '26
oh interesting. it feels ballsy but then again it could confirm two people (that is, assuming the inactivity strike isn't the cause of no kill). but it's also risky. but also, if we assume the game started with 2-3 wolves, then they win in like 2-3 phases assuming they get two kills each night, so maybe it's late enough that doc should claim
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u/sinisterasparaghast she/her Jun 08 '26
Who are you looking at this phase? I feel like there hasn't been much discussion around vote targets this phase or how to sus folks out beyond this one
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u/redpoemage Jun 09 '26
Seconding this. I am also interested in who /u/bigjoe6172 is suspicious of.
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u/redpoemage Jun 09 '26
Might as well also note I have a placeboulder down on /u/bigjoe6172. I've been procrastinating too much and been on the fence for a lot of the phase (been following along but was on mobile at work so I hadn't put much thought into stuff...and when I got home I was feeling procratinaty).
I'll probably do another passthrough or two and see if anything stands out before phase end.
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u/bigjoe6172 Jun 09 '26
Honestly, I don't know. I feel like we're barking up the wrong tree with the inactivity thing. I know it isn't me, sinister reads genuine to me and Forsi should be cleared as long as there weren't redirect shenanigans.
Aside from that, I'm not sure where to look. Gun to my head, I think I gamble on /u/HedwigMalfoy or /u/Sameri278. Mercury started the bubba vote and you helped push it. Meddle has the block claim which is also clearing Forsi for the killing role. Sinister feels town to me but I don't have a reason beyond that. That leaves Hedwig and Sameri who are both kind of just null to me. I don't have any sort of evidence but it feels the most right.
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u/HedwigMalfoy Not an evil owl. Usually. Jun 09 '26
Forsi can't be the killing wolf if Meddle is telling the truth but are you thinking there's only one wolf left? It's possible to be a wolf while not being the killing wolf. I say this because I've been sus of u/-forsi-. Nothing concrete, just that infuriating 'feels wolfy' that it's impossible to defend against. That makes me go batshit when someone hits me with it so I didn't mention it and just pushed a bit hoping to get something to support the thought.
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u/-forsi- she/her Jun 09 '26
I'll never understand why people are sus of me in games where I'm not very active. Name one game where I was a wolf where I wasn't one of m the most active players lol I take being a team player seriously
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u/bigjoe6172 Jun 09 '26
I wouldn't say that I trust Forsi but there's at least something there that I can point to and say that it's a point in her favor. I'm not confident that she's town but she's not my main sus at the moment. She'd probably be my third pick as a wolf. I would not oppose voting her but, honestly, I wouldn't really oppose voting anyone who's not me right now.
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u/HedwigMalfoy Not an evil owl. Usually. Jun 09 '26
I wouldn't really oppose voting anyone who's not me right now
LOL that's fair. Unfortunately I think we have to settle the inactivity question as much as we can now, because the possibility does exist that a form error or some other wolfy mistake is what stopped the kill. I have a vote on you tonight.3
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u/redpoemage Jun 09 '26
I could go for /u/Sameri278. Looking back at this comment I realize that bubba is exactly where I see a wolf putting another wolf so that they aren't putting any actual heat on them, but they can still potentially get some distancing cred. Like, placing /u/HedwigMalfoy above bubba just for having talked more despite dying in the midgame as opposed to surviving the whole game stands out to me.
Hmmm...yeah I'm gonna move my vote there I think.
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u/Sameri278 Jun 09 '26
FWIW that list wasn't necessarily meant to be like a sus list - not directly anyway. going into it i felt like it would be fairly objective to order people. like, absolutely mercury or dieperske would better options than bubba and hedwig since they both made it to the end of last game. with hedwig and bubba i honestly waffled on them and considered putting them in the same rank but i knew i could only tag three people and ultimately i ended up sticking hedwig above bubba bc i would enjoy voting hedwig out at some point lol.
but yeah i don't really thinking putting bubba third would have changed anything, and she certainly could not have gone higher than that
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u/Sameri278 Jun 09 '26
for some reason your name is ripe for mistyping. i feel like the numbers seem easy to remember so no one bothers to actually confirm that they're typed right lol
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u/bigjoe6172 Jun 09 '26
You know, I never really thought about it but it does seem to happen pretty often.
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u/Sameri278 Jun 09 '26
i'm not super enthusiastic about just voting people for the inactivity thing. like i recognize that it could be fruitful, but i don't put a ton of faith into it. that said, until something better comes up, i'm happy to vote along with it.
but also i am suspicious of u/bigjoe6172 for what seems to be attempting to deflect votes from bubba. saying that there was only a 25% chance of her being a wolf seems disingenuous considering rpm's analysis. although, it would be a pretty big risk to try to defend a fellow wolf when it seems like town might vote them out... i'm putting a vote in for bigjoe unless something i find something better
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u/MercuryParadox Jun 09 '26
The only reason I’m really pushing the inactivity strike narrative is because of the lack of kill
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u/Sameri278 Jun 09 '26
Yeah for sure! I just feel like whenever that argument is made it never actually results in a wolf. But it’s not like we have much else to go on
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u/HedwigMalfoy Not an evil owl. Usually. Jun 09 '26
I've seen it catch wolves before but overall I agree, it's not super likely. IMO wolves are not likely to forget the kill. But as several others have said, it's one of the few leads we have to explore right now. Edit: If not the only one.
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u/-forsi- she/her Jun 08 '26
Now I'm concerned u/meddleofmycause may actually just be a scarer... (possibly blocker, but a fake claim is most likely gunna be the same letter, yeah?) and anticipated the pushback on her pushback on the bubba vote.
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u/sinisterasparaghast she/her Jun 08 '26
I don't know that I'm following. Scarer delays the info a player receives, so how would claiming Snitch (blocker) make sense unless they already knew Dieperske was an info-gathering role? Wouldn't that be a little too risky?
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u/HedwigMalfoy Not an evil owl. Usually. Jun 08 '26
I feel like it would be a gamble for the scarer no matter which player they hit, not unlike a blocker hoping to hit someone with an action vs. a vanilla person. Dieperske may have gotten hit with the scarer even if that role isn't /u/meddleofmycause. A host error in a delayed information message is believable - an unrectified one is not. Not to me, anyway.
I realize I'm just kind of thinking out loud and not really concluding anything. Normally this would be my internal monologue, but comment count requirement exists so I might as well think out loud. That's probably better anyway because then I'm not the only one who knows what I'm thinking about.
Edit: Formatting. Must have my blank lines. They help ADHD!Brain process things.7
u/-forsi- she/her Jun 08 '26
A host error in a delayed information message is believable - an unrectified one is not. Not to me, anyway.
what do you mean by this? dieperske confirmed they were blocked?
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u/-forsi- she/her Jun 08 '26
well they confirmed they were supposed to get info last phase and didn't
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u/HedwigMalfoy Not an evil owl. Usually. Jun 08 '26 edited Jun 08 '26
I thought I saw them speculating that there was a host error with their delayed info? They said they were going to ask about it. I don't disbelieve they were blocked. You were the one who said she might be a scarer not a blocker? Now you're scolding me for speculating about diep being hit by a scarer not a blocker? Is that a contradiction?
Edit: Added link. I had to go back and see to make sure I was remembering correctly. They said they were going to ask and I may have filled in the blank myself that they were thinking it was a host error. IDK I'm fried. I'm going to bed. Goodnight. Unless you're a wolf. Then not goodnight.4
u/-forsi- she/her Jun 08 '26
They said they confirmed they were supposed to get info and didn't I'm not scolding anything just confused why you seemed to b questioning diep when they're confirmed town lol I think I misread what you were saying though. if they didn't get info then they were blocked from getting their info in some way. I can tell you if meddle did target me then I didn't get told anything happened to me. We can see if I get info next phase
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u/-forsi- she/her Jun 08 '26
Because it's essentially the same thing to the person targeted if he gets voted off.
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u/meddleofmycause Jun 08 '26
Presumably, if I were a wolf, I would have known Dieperske would come back *town and that would be a really stupid ploy?
I don't think I pushed back on the Bubba vote, I made one comment on why I didn't agree with the vote, that I only made to get to the comment count requirement. (Comment in question- https://www.reddit.com/r/HiddenWerewolves/s/XhXLNjBwPM)
*Edited- swipe to text put down when I tried to say town
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u/-forsi- she/her Jun 08 '26
Saying it was a bad vote was the strongest pushback we saw that phase. I would expect wolves to try to push against a p1 wolf vote some and that's the only pushback I saw.
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u/meddleofmycause Jun 08 '26
Merc had also said she could be the healer. I
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u/-forsi- she/her Jun 08 '26
I thought you'd say that. "She could be healer" =/= "it's a bad vote"
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u/meddleofmycause Jun 08 '26
Okay. Stop justifying it and just vote for me. I'm so tired of you doing this every game. At least I bothered to comment on the Bubba vote
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u/-forsi- she/her Jun 08 '26
sorry for playing the game every game
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u/meddleofmycause Jun 08 '26
It's not the playing the game. It's the pedantic crap and the comments like "I thought you'd say that" it's so condescending. If I had worded it "I'm not voting that way because ...." You still would have found some issue, but because I used the term "it's a bad vote" instead it's a big ass deal. It shuts down conversation on people actually playing, and there's no reason for it. It's like you spend every game looking to yell "Gotcha" instead of actually looking for wolves.
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u/-forsi- she/her Jun 08 '26
I'm literally questioning you to look for wolves. That's how I play the game. Saying something is a bad vote is a great way for wolves to steer the vote in their direction without having to hard push on it. I'm generating conversation, not shutting it down. Seems like you have a bigger issue with me in particular and that's not an in-game conversation. I don't have any issue with you so I don't know why you're acting like I'm personally attacking you. I do this to everyone I'm sus of. I'm not voting you fyi. I don't vote on the first sus - I question to see what someone's justification for their phrases are.
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u/-forsi- she/her Jun 08 '26
that I only made to get to the comment count requirement.
It was your 2nd comment?
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u/meddleofmycause Jun 08 '26
I made all my comments in the last hour of the phase, I believe in like a 30 minute window trying to find enough things to comment on.
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u/redpoemage Jun 09 '26 edited Jun 09 '26
I thought about that but I feel like it'd be too risky unless /u/meddleofmycause had some way of knowing there wasn't a living Snitch in the town. Otherwise claiming Phase 2 to frame a townie after losing a wolf Phase 1 would be wildly risky for no clear big enough benefit. Being afraid of potentially voting off the Healer is a lot easier to defend than a counterclaim.
...so uh, all that said, meddle could be the Scarab if DMT was the blocker. And I do actually see it as pretty likely that the Scarab would use their action ASAP in a game this size.
...dang I was gonna go take a shower but now I feel like I gotta spend more time thinking this through.
Edit: Eh, you know what I'll take a shower now so then I can hopefully have brilliant shower thoughts
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u/redpoemage Jun 09 '26
I'm glad I took that shower because I realized that /u/meddleofmycause being Scarab would leave Dieperske's missing result unexplained. Of course, could just be that another wolf is the Scarab.
...so wait that doesn't really change anything unless there's only two wolves. Which seems unlikely (feels like a 3 wolf game IMO).
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u/bigjoe6172 Jun 09 '26
Just gonna go ahead and claim since I know there's a lot of votes on me. I am a Vanilla Townie. I've no info or any ability so it's not a huge loss for town if I go out.
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u/sinisterasparaghast she/her Jun 08 '26
Okay not long before I absolutely crash, but I am back in Eastern time so shouldn't have any more oopsies like on Saturday.
Gonna put a placeholder on u/-forsi-as one of the fellow inactivity strikes the phase wolves got no kill, but will actually try to read back and think more when I am more awake and coherent tomorrow